Wal-Mart To Begin Prohibiting Concealed Carry?


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spin180
November 22, 2004, 09:04 PM
There seems to be some rumors floating around that Wal-Mart will soon prohibit concealed carry nationwide.

I saw this thread whilst killing time on the interweb:

http://www.ls2.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=150087

Granted, a lot of horsehockey there, but there are a few that seem to know of what they speak. Nevertheless, is there any truth to what the topic starter mentions? Has anyone else heard of this? I can't find much else to support his claim...



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orangeninja
November 22, 2004, 09:17 PM
Well...if it's concealed how will they know to ask you to leave? :rolleyes:

P95Carry
November 22, 2004, 09:20 PM
They would have to use an ''official'' signing protocol and/or have metal detectors.

Should this happen - my feet will NEVER again pass their doors - and I would campaign actively to dissuade as many as I could to follow the same dictum.... plus informing them of such a course of action.

That would be the last straw.

Hawkmoon
November 22, 2004, 09:33 PM
Is it time yet to start petitioning state legislatures to address the fallacy of allowing companies and (public or quasi-public) building owners to ban concealed carry while NOT providing any secure place to check your weapon while in the building?

Went to a state office building not long ago to renew my permit. There was a sign halfway between the parking lot and the front entrance door "No Weapons Beyond This Point." Talked to the guy inside at the firearms board desk. His solution? Buy a cheap pair of handcuffs and chain your gun to the seat frame. (Right.)

I don't care for the whole "Steal Me" box idea, either. I can accept that it's my gun and therefore I am responsible for where it goes and what it does. But that only applies if they allow me to keep it with me. Once I have to play funny games at every place I stop the car, it becomes some legislator's responsibility, because he's not allowing me to be responsible.

AZRickD
November 22, 2004, 09:36 PM
There is a letter from the Walmart's President which states that as far as guns go, what is legal in the state is legal in Walmart.

Google your heart out.

Rick

psyopspec
November 22, 2004, 09:57 PM
There is a letter from the Walmart's President which states that as far as guns go, what is legal in the state is legal in Walmart.

Whew, that title/rumor had my heart going for a bit.

Stand_Watie
November 22, 2004, 10:05 PM
Whew, that title/rumor had my heart going for a bit.

I have to say I didn't believe it for a minute. 2 things made me think this...

a) (Whatever you think of Walmart) Walmart in general has about the most pro-gun demographic of America as you can find in a major retail marketplace excluding gun/hunting establishments.

b) Walmart understands the bottom line.

You could say my confidence came from knowing Walmart customers, and knowing that Walmart knows which side it's bread is buttered on :D

2nd Amendment
November 22, 2004, 10:30 PM
I was made in the local Wally World a couple years ago by the then employed Rent-a-Cop. He asked me to leave, saying weapons were not allowed. I told him he had a problem and he probably didn't want to make it Wally World's problem. He said he'd call the cops. I told him to go for it(that would have been a laugh-riot in this town when they walked in and said Hey Scott, what's this guy's problem :) ). But the wife insisted we just let it go(as the manager of a competitor she thought it was something of an uncomfortable situation).

I talked to the store manager the next day and while he said he was somewhat uncomfortable with CC Wal Mart's policy was as stated above: The laws of the state prevail. Said he'd talk to the ninja. He must have because though I would get the Evil Eye late at nite he never gave me any further trouble. Of course, he was also replaced with another company soon after so I am guessing he stirred other problems as well.

I'd guess any opposition you'll encounter against CCW in their stores is probably of that type. Someone with an opposition and a bit of authority flexing whatever muscle he thinks he has. Simplest solution is just don't get made and don't worry about it.

Standing Wolf
November 22, 2004, 10:31 PM
It wouldn't surprise me if Wal Mart were to institute such a policy: most of its third rate merchandise is made in communist China, so I don't know why its attitude toward the nation's civil rights wouldn't be communist Chinese, too.

jefnvk
November 22, 2004, 10:35 PM
I would think that Wal-Mart would probably want to stay out of politics as much as possible. How much did K-Mart lose when they started playing the political game?

R.H. Lee
November 22, 2004, 10:38 PM
Don't bother me none. I don't shop at WalMart. Have no use for crap made in third world sweatshops and don't want to catch scabies or some other disease from the clientele there.

PMDW
November 22, 2004, 10:38 PM
The walmart in town has a "no guns" sign on a bulletin board as you're leaving the store. Not on the outside doors, just on the inside of the building. It's a crappy store, anyway. They never have anything, and when they do, there is only one register open. the rest of the employees are standing in the aisles, talking.

fjolnirsson
November 22, 2004, 11:13 PM
don't want to catch scabies or some other disease from the clientele there.

Hmm.
Thanks, Riley.
I shop where I can afford to shop.
Most times, that's Wally World.
I guess I probably have scabies......

:rolleyes:

R.H. Lee
November 22, 2004, 11:18 PM
Thanks, Riley.
I shop where I can afford to shop.
Most times, that's Wally World.
I guess I probably have scabies......
If ya start itchin', burn all your clothes and bedding and get to the doc for some lotion. :neener:

44Brent
November 22, 2004, 11:19 PM
This summer I openly carried in a Walmart store located in Cody, Wyoming. No problem whatsoever. The previous summer when I paid for items by check, the girl at the cash register looked at my Illinois driver's license and pointed out that Illinois gun laws suck.

Yep, even the Walmart cashiers in Wyoming know that Illinois gun laws suck, and that open carry is just fine.

trapperjohn
November 22, 2004, 11:21 PM
Is it time yet to start petitioning state legislatures to address the fallacy of allowing companies and (public or quasi-public) building owners to ban concealed carry while NOT providing any secure place to check your weapon while in the building?

NO, No, No, No, and finally NO!!!!

the last thing we, as Freedom loving (supposedly) gun owners, want to do is petition the government to force more people to do things against their will. That is the leftist mode of operation. We can NEVER sacrifice private property rights

when gun owners start loving their guns more than peoples freedom we should be afraid, very afraid!

SkyDaver
November 22, 2004, 11:54 PM
Is it time yet to start petitioning state legislatures to address the fallacy of allowing companies and (public or quasi-public) building owners to ban concealed carry while NOT providing any secure place to check your weapon while in the building?

No, as said above, however ....

State, County, City, Town offices should be required to provide safe storage if you can't carry.

Mulliga
November 23, 2004, 01:02 AM
And the sun rises on another Wal-Mart bashing thread...

:neener:

fjolnirsson
November 23, 2004, 01:29 AM
If ya start itchin', burn all your clothes and bedding and get to the doc for some lotion.

Actually, thay sell stuff to take care of that at Wal-Mart.... :neener:

Battlespace
November 23, 2004, 11:02 AM
The local Walmart sporting goods folks are fairly helpful. The first time I bought any Winchester White Box .45 HP the clerk asked me if I had used them before as there could be a problem feeding/chambering. I assured him I had and thanked him for being helpful and asking.

carpettbaggerr
November 23, 2004, 11:11 AM
We can NEVER sacrifice private property rights In theory, fine. But that's not the rules now. If you can't ban women, blacks, gays, or offensive t-shirts, you can't tell me I can't carry a gun.

Besides, the 2nd Amendment says 'shall not be infringed' -- that includes corporations, as well as the government.

halvey
November 23, 2004, 11:17 AM
Here we go again...

"Rumors" like this seem to pop up every couple months. And we get the following comments:

"Well, XYZ company sucks anyway."
"Concealed means concealed."
"It's private property, they have that right."

So to hopefully kill the forthcoming nonsense, I offer the following:

Who cares if the company sucks? By not allowing CCW, they are telling you, a gun owner you are not welcome.

I would not give a company your hard earned money, even if they don't know you are carrying. I would not vist where I am not wanted, especially when they are asking you to spend your money there.

Yes, its their property and they have the right to tell you to leave. This is different however since they are inviting the public to buy goods and services, yet banning your right to carry. And because they are public, you have the right not to buy there and you have the right to tell them what you think and get them to change their policy.

TonyB
November 23, 2004, 11:42 AM
I love Wal-mart...any where you can buy underwear,bullets and a canned ham at 3 am is OK with me :neener:

Sam Adams
November 23, 2004, 12:04 PM
"NO, No, No, No, and finally NO!!!!

the last thing we, as Freedom loving (supposedly) gun owners, want to do is petition the government to force more people to do things against their will. That is the leftist mode of operation. We can NEVER sacrifice private property rights

when gun owners start loving their guns more than peoples freedom we should be afraid, very afraid!"

I am in favor of the protection and preservation of private property rights as anyone on THR. HOWEVER, when you are the owner of a business that is open to the public, you must admit ALL members of the public (i.e. Wally World cannot refuse admittance to, say, dark-skinned people, because the CEO is a prejudiced moron). That is a civil rights issue...and so is the carrying of a firearm. Walmart and any other commercial establishment that is open to the public must respect my right to carry a gun just as they must respect my right to carry a Bible (as long as I rightfully possess either at the time, and I'm not using either to threaten or bother their other customers).

A private club or an individual homeowner can tell me to leave my gun at home or in my car, and I'd have no problem with their right to do so (even if I didn't like their decision).

Regarding the subject of this thread, I don't think that Walmart will do anything to upset the apple cart - their position, of allowing whatever state law allows, is perfectly suited to attracting and retaining as many customers as possible by not getting involved in partisan political issues. From a purely business perspective (which they have, in spades), it is the wisest course of action. Walmart knows VERY WELL that if they ever banned carry in a state that otherwise allows it, they'd face a nationwide boycott of not just their guns and ammo, but of everything else that millions of people buy there. I'd personally never go there, and I'd send the CEO a letter explaining why along with my cut-up Sam's Club card. There is always competition, even for Walmart, which is why its leadership will never do anything so stupid as this thread implies.

Sam Adams
November 23, 2004, 12:07 PM
"In theory, fine. But that's not the rules now. If you can't ban women, blacks, gays, or offensive t-shirts, you can't tell me I can't carry a gun.

Besides, the 2nd Amendment says 'shall not be infringed' -- that includes corporations, as well as the government."

While I thoroughly agree with the first paragraph, the various provisions of the BOR only apply to the fed.gov or the states. Private individuals and businesses can do as they please, unless and until they open themselves to the public.

juggler
November 23, 2004, 12:46 PM
Went to a state office building not long ago to renew my permit. There was a sign halfway between the parking lot and the front entrance door "No Weapons Beyond This Point."

ME TOO!! :fire: :banghead: :fire: :cuss: :banghead:

At the state police station where I went to renew my permit there were the signs, metal detector and guardian of the gate. I went in after leaving everything in the car (I have one of those safes mentioned, bolted to the frame) I thought. Forgot about my leatherman and had to leave that on the counter.

Didn't make me feel comfortable at all, I'll tell ya :scrutiny:

flatrock
November 23, 2004, 12:49 PM
The walmart in town has a "no guns" sign on a bulletin board as you're leaving the store. Not on the outside doors, just on the inside of the building. It's a crappy store, anyway. They never have anything, and when they do, there is only one register open. the rest of the employees are standing in the aisles, talking.

Sounds like a local manager is overstepping their authority. Go to Wal-mart's web site and make a complaint about the sign.

I've heard they don't like open carry, and may ask you to leave, but unless they just changed their corporate policy, they allow concealed carry.

These rumors about Wal-mart being anti-gun or anti-CCW pop up all the time, and are consistently shown to be either untrue, or a local manager overstepping their authority.

charby
November 23, 2004, 02:34 PM
"I love Wal-mart...any where you can buy underwear,bullets and a canned ham at 3 am is OK with me "

My butt you can, ham and drawers yes, but not ammo. I tried to buy #2 steel shot at 4:30 am on my way duck hunting. I was dressed in camo and had my calls around my neck. They told me it was company policy not to sell ammuniton or firearms between 10pm and 6am.

Charby

carebear
November 23, 2004, 04:48 PM
Charby,

That's come up before, it is not company policy and if you address the manager on it they will be informed on it by headquarters. Often individual managers won't do it because of staffing concerns or their own feelings, but it aint policy and can be confronted and corrected.

RangerHAAF
November 23, 2004, 06:35 PM
If there is any problem at Wal-Mart with concealed carry I would be extremely surprised. I've seen customers in a Super Wal-Mart in Valley Alabama openly carrying their pistols. This is probably an urban legend coming out of an anti-gun stronghold state like Illinois. I think Wal-Mart tries to be as apolitical as possible when it comes to guns. They do however often bow to local sentiments when and where the sale of guns are concerned.

If I recall correctly within the last year they said that they would not be selling guns in either a New York or Minnesota town that asked them not to.

RRTX
November 23, 2004, 06:40 PM
I went into one of my local Wal-Marts on sunday and they had a sign that said something to the effect of "No handguns allowed in the store, even by holders of valid permits" Since it was nowhere close to meeting the legal requirements of TX 30.06 I just laughed at it and walked in, but after reading some replies here I think I will shoot off an email to Wally world corporate. This just appeared very recently, because I stop in that particular store pretty often and it's the first time I had seen it, I even left thru a different entrance to see if they had it up there.

lostone1413
November 23, 2004, 08:01 PM
No trouble in AZ yet as far as carry in Wal-Mart. From the map of what states Wal-Mart sells guns in it looks like AZ is one of the only states so guess we would be one of the last you couldn't carry in

Wildalaska
November 23, 2004, 08:24 PM
Dont need an excuse to avoid Wal Mart

WildifiwantcheapillgotocostcoAlaska

Demon440
November 23, 2004, 11:01 PM
I am in that LS2.com thread. Just trying to help out, but I am not to good at writing. Same screen name Demon440

io333
November 23, 2004, 11:08 PM
1. Every four months this rumor pops upon on the net. I could set my watch by it.

2. Every six months some betwetting Wal-Mart district manager posts a sign on a some stores somewhere. Call corporate and the signs will come down in a few days.

wingman
November 23, 2004, 11:11 PM
don't want to catch scabies or some other disease from the clientele there.

dang, come to my area walmart looks like a madmax movie on sat. ;)

Art Eatman
November 24, 2004, 12:56 AM
Yeah, my wife doesn't have scabies, either. Neither do I.

Nice to learn that Communist China produces Merck products as well as Remchester guns and ammo. Or that Leupold scopes are made in Shanghai.

We import soap and detergent from China? Bread? Cookies? Magazines? Paperback books? Steak? Box-blind stands for deer hunting?

But if you're down on China, you probably oughta get rid of most of your electronics gear. You gonna guarantee me that none of your computer/monitor/printer/TV/VCR/DVD/CD stuff has some Chinese-made parts? None?

:), Art

TheOtherOne
November 24, 2004, 01:01 PM
the last thing we, as Freedom loving (supposedly) gun owners, want to do is petition the government to force more people to do things against their will. That is the leftist mode of operation. We can NEVER sacrifice private property rightsI agree. I like the way our law is here in Utah. A private company can say you are not allowed to have a gun but it doesn't mean anything legally. The most they can do is ask you to leave and then if you don't they could call the cops on you for trespassing, but NOT for anything to do with your firearm.

kjaniak
November 24, 2004, 02:12 PM
Yeah, my wife doesn't have scabies, either. Neither do I.

Nice to learn that Communist China produces Merck products as well as Remchester guns and ammo. Or that Leupold scopes are made in Shanghai.

We import soap and detergent from China? Bread? Cookies? Magazines? Paperback books? Steak? Box-blind stands for deer hunting?

But if you're down on China, you probably oughta get rid of most of your electronics gear. You gonna guarantee me that none of your computer/monitor/printer/TV/VCR/DVD/CD stuff has some Chinese-made parts? None?

, Art

100% correct. Watch that car or truck you drive.....might be suprised where the parts or raw material is coming from for that too.

R.H. Lee
November 24, 2004, 02:23 PM
Awright already. I just flipped over the Dell keyboard here at work and guess what? It says 'Made in China'. I'm just saying that I will go out of my way NOT to buy stuff made in sweatshops in third world countries so some fat corporate mogul can have an extra piece of pie after his steak dinner before he drives his Mercedes back to one of his mansions, that's all. All this cheap crap is just so much 'opiate for the masses' IMO. I'm not big into consumerism, and if you are, I hope you find happiness in your purchases at some point. Mexican labor is already too expensive, so stuff is being made in China and when their labor rates increase along with their standard of living I suppose there will be another third world craphole to supply us with stuff we think we need but really don't.

Master Blaster
November 24, 2004, 02:30 PM
Mexican labor is already too expensive, so stuff is being made in China and when their labor rates increase along with their standard of living I suppose there will be another third world craphole to supply us with stuff we think we need but really don't.

Yeah when Chinese labor gets too expensive, Like when it got too expensive for Japanese companies to manufacture cars in Japan,

Guess where the factories will go?????????? Tennesse, Alabama, South Carolina, Third world crapholes here in the USA. :neener:

Awful lot of Mercedes and BMWs in the parking lot of our local Walmart, I guess yoou need something to drive there from the $800,000 houses just down the road.

Yooper
November 24, 2004, 02:41 PM
I have a hard time patronizing a retailer which does its best to "frisk" me on the way in and on the way out the way it is. The solution is simple, trade elsewhere.

Art Eatman
November 24, 2004, 05:47 PM
No argument, Yooper, but I've seen no such signs in any WalMart I've patronized...

Hey, Ford wiring harnesses come from Brazil. Soy-based plastic; mice and rats love'em. Eat'em right up. Buick V6 motors at one time came from SE Asia, somewhere; disremember the country. Pick up an issue of "Hot VWs"; many of the aftermarket parts are from Mexico or Brazil...Cast alloy "mag" wheels? India...

:), Art

Treylis
November 25, 2004, 01:17 PM
I went into one of my local Wal-Marts on sunday and they had a sign that said something to the effect of "No handguns allowed in the store, even by holders of valid permits" Since it was nowhere close to meeting the legal requirements of TX 30.06 I just laughed at it and walked in, but after reading some replies here I think I will shoot off an email to Wally world corporate. This just appeared very recently, because I stop in that particular store pretty often and it's the first time I had seen it, I even left thru a different entrance to see if they had it up there.

Yep, tell Wal-Mart Corporate, that's a rogue manager and they'll tell him to toe the line and stop that nonsense.

Treylis
November 25, 2004, 01:21 PM
Dont need an excuse to avoid Wal Mart

WildifiwantcheapillgotocostcoAlaska

Unfortunately, some Costcos around here have no-gun signs. I never "see" them, but it's still a problem.

Zach S
November 25, 2004, 03:34 PM
No such sign at either of the Wal Marts here in Asheville.

AZLibertarian
November 26, 2004, 05:56 PM
I've got to agree that petitioning the government to require private property owners to allow CCW is a mistake. The Bill of Rights restricts government behavior, not private. We all ought to appreciate this. Owners of restaurants and bars can enforce dress codes as well as deny entrance to those not enhancing the atmosphere they seek. The free market will take care of this issue more fairly than any government action will.

While I do occassionally find myself in Walmart, as WildAlaska said, I don't need much of a reason to shop elsewhere. The Mom-n-Pop businesses in town sure appreciate it.

And, as lostone1413 said, I doubt this issue would get very far in Arizona.

MrPhil
November 27, 2004, 12:18 AM
Walmarts in Eugene, Oregon seem to have no issue with CCW. A young woman at one of 'em is surprised when you buy only 2 boxes of pistol ammo. "Is that all your getting?!?" I'll shop there anytime. Yeah, a bunch of their stuff is made in China, but hey, I work for a Korean semiconductor company making DRAM in the U.S. of A. Face it folks, globalization isn't coming . . . its here.

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