Should we all be stocking up on post-bans?


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MicroBalrog
December 30, 2002, 01:22 PM
Look, the AWB is about to go down in a year or two.
Does that mean that the gun companies will stop making "post-ban" designs and their values will increase? Should we all stock up on post-bans?

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eap
December 30, 2002, 01:26 PM
that would be ironic. i find it idiotic that folks pay pre ban prices for things you don't need. i would buy what you want while you can still get it, ultimately they will probably get just about anything but "hunting purpose" arms banned, restricted or something.

SIGarmed
December 30, 2002, 01:38 PM
No if anything wouldn't the prices go down? Who wants a post ban design when you can get a brand new weapon that has all of the pre ban features should the ban cease. If your going to to buy anything buy it because the new laws may even get worse.

MicroBalrog
December 30, 2002, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by SIGarmed
No if anything wouldn't the prices go down? Who wants a post ban design when you can get a brand new weapon that has all of the pre ban features should the ban cease. If your going to to buy anything buy it because the new laws may even get worse.
Look around you. Gun control is less and less popular. The AWB is going down, and so are some gun laws in Russia, Canada, maybe Britain, and the more of them go down, the less credibility the folks will have. If we do a little bit of effort, in 10-15 year gun control will die. Besides, to your question, who will buy them? - Collectors will.

WilderBill
December 30, 2002, 01:42 PM
Buy one of everything and you'll have it covered.:D

MicroBalrog
December 30, 2002, 01:45 PM
Wouldn't that be one hell of an investment?

4v50 Gary
December 30, 2002, 02:19 PM
Myself I couldn't care about the investment aspect. I'd rather have the price on all my guns drop such that we can all go out and buy new guns with evil features (flash suppressor, pistol grip, bayonet lug, big drum magazines or belt fed, etc.).

The "ban" was about "comestic appearances" and has no real substance with respects to the function of the firearm. More "feelgood" legislation that made us feel bad.

Redlg155
December 30, 2002, 02:25 PM
It's a good idea to buy weapons regardless of Pre/Post ban status.

The only way I would see the price of Post Ban weapons increase is if we had any additions to the crime bill instead of it sunsetting. It wouldn't be far fetched to think of them enacting a new bill to grandfather current post ban weapons and restricting new purchases to "california" approved weapon types.

Not only do we have to be concerned with new Federal restrictions coming down the pike someday, we also have to worry about State govts adopting more restrictions. Again, I use California for an example.

Will post ban designs increase if the bill sunsets? Not very likely.

Good Shooting
Red

MicroBalrog
December 30, 2002, 02:32 PM
"When", not "if";)

Plan-B
December 30, 2002, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by MicroBalrog
"When", not "if";)

True, the "ban" as we know and love it dies in '04, but the big question is what's coming down the pipe to replace it. I'm not getting my hopes up, but then living in California means that any replacement to the crime bill will pale in comparison to what the socialists here have up their sleeves.

telewinz
December 30, 2002, 02:54 PM
Buy, Buy, Buy...it's the cities and state's you need to be concerned about

Russ
December 30, 2002, 02:59 PM
The PRK is proof that the federal ban doesn't mean didilly when the State bans it. I wouldn't hold my breath that the federal ban is going down. I think it may be political suicide for a politician not to vote re renew it. That's really not what I want but I can hear all the cackling on TV now.

45R
December 30, 2002, 03:01 PM
I would like to see some things change in PRK. With the ruling in S.F. , CA not too long ago I am sure if things are going to change any time soon.

Want to see crime decrease in CA...limit evil black guns, or put them in the hands of responsible CCW carriers.

Hard Choice.

Buy Buy Buy

Gary H
December 30, 2002, 03:14 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath that the federal ban is going down. I think it may be political suicide for a politician not to vote re renew it.

As long as Republicans control both houses, every member of both houses can state that they hate guns and favor every form of gun control, but they can also keep bills locked in committee. The ban could die from lack of action.

MicroBalrog
December 30, 2002, 03:23 PM
I mean, gun control is less popular now than whe they passed that d--n nonsense, right?:)

Schuey2002
December 30, 2002, 03:27 PM
The ban could die from lack of action.
I hope that this is what happens,but I'm not going to hold my breath.;)

Bartholomew Roberts
December 30, 2002, 05:01 PM
I hope that this is what happens,but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Don't hold your breath; but write your elected representatives!

I can understand people being pessimistic; but please don't just roll over and expose your belly. Write your reps even if they are Feinstein and Schumer - at least let them know how you feel on it.

MicroBalrog
December 30, 2002, 05:38 PM
What can an Israeli do to help that, folks?

AZTOY
December 30, 2002, 05:59 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath that the federal ban is going down. I think it may be political suicide for a politician not to vote re renew it.

The Sunset

One of the concessions that was needed in order to get the ban passed in 1994 was a "sunset clause" that set an automatic expiration of the ban 10 years following the enacting of the bill into law. This will occur in September 2004. This is significant, and is sometimes misunderstood. If Congress does nothing, the ban will expire. No repeal or other congressional action is necessary for this to happen. In order for the ban to continue, legislation must be passed through both houses of Congress and signed by the President.
http://www.awbansunset.com/future.html

All the politician have to do is keep there mouth shut and the ban sunsets. I think it would be political suicide for a politician try to bring up the ban!

444
December 30, 2002, 06:02 PM
Should we all be stocking up on post-bans?

Yes. Stock up on pre-bans and post bans. You might not be able to get any at some point in the future. Plus you can get a lot of enjoyment out of them no matter what happens politically assuming you buy them before it is too late.

MicroBalrog
December 30, 2002, 06:07 PM
I'm an Israeli. What can I do to help in your RKBA fight ?

*8*
December 30, 2002, 06:07 PM
Most definitely. I'd say, if you have the budget to stock up on pre and post ban rifles, go for it. At the very least, buy at least one or two of each kind and store them in a fireproof safe.

barnpatrol
December 30, 2002, 11:49 PM
We should all be stocking up on EVERYTHING.

O.K. t-f hat off. I can't see the ban sun-setting. So, posts will probably still be posts.

piccolo
December 31, 2002, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by MicroBalrog
I'm an Israeli. What can I do to help in your RKBA fight ?


As an Israeli, you could probably write our elected officials and explain that in the Israeli war on terrorism that access to firearms is imperative for self defense. This could become an issue in the US in the future and that anything that weakens out RKBA weakens the strength of the American public.

Maybe write up something intelligent and email it to our congressmen.

As a supporter of the RKBA, I'll accept ANY help from ANYONE and be grateful as hell.

Thank you for your support.

gfb

Hkmp5sd
December 31, 2002, 01:03 AM
Actually, this isn't a totally absurd idea.

Once the AW ban goes away, the gun companies will revert to manufacturing the pre-ban configurations. However, some states will still have AW bans in effect. It is feasible that there may be a demand at some point for more post-ban configurations in the future. Of course, there is still going to be a large quantity of post-bans available from the newly freed states.

Personally, I have no interest and doubt you would make any money in the process.

Redlg155
December 31, 2002, 01:17 AM
Once the AW ban goes away, the gun companies will revert to manufacturing the pre-ban configurations.

I'd say most everyone but Colt. They were "politically" correct with non military standard fire control/takedown pins, sear blocks and neutered FSBs even before the Assault Weapon Ban.

Good Shooting
Red

WilderBill
December 31, 2002, 03:36 AM
I think the AWB will die if we write our congress critters.
Once it does the various makers will be free to offer more variations. Some will revert to pre ban, others will continue with current production, perhaps there will be some that ofer some pre ban features, but not others.
The point is that we, the gun buying public will have more choices and that's a good thing.

Yes, Microbalrog, one of everything would be a bit pricey, but we can dream anyway, right? ;)

DrDremel
December 31, 2002, 10:52 AM
If the ban goes away, post ban sytle semis will be LESS valuable. I don't think anybody will collect them. It will be a booming business to change the muzzle brakes and stocks to folders and flash-hiders. I will just because I can. Low-cap mags will be next to worthless for resale.

Monkeyleg
December 31, 2002, 06:19 PM
Being somewhat pessimistic by nature, I don't think the ban is going away. The media hasn't done anything to clarify to the public just what the ban is really about. Most people think it has to do with full-autos. And don't count on the media to give the public an education on the issue now, because they'd have to explain why they've been lying for eight years.

Meanwhile, the anti's are already talking about renewing the ban and marshalling their forces for that. Of course, they're also looking to expand upon the '94 ban.

The number of people interested in Evil Black Rifles is such a small fraction of the firearms community that there will be little complaint if congress enacts a new ban. Depending upon the political landscape in 2004, the NRA may or may not decide to go full-bore against a renewal.

I'll write and call my legislators, and do anything else, but a renewal wouldn't surprise me.

King
December 31, 2002, 06:32 PM
I'm a bit pessimistic as well. I hope but don't really see that the Ban will go away. And, it could be even more strict. I thonk we should get what we can and hold on to it.

That said, I say collect both pre and post bans. Personally, the differences between the two are not that important (to me) ie; bayonet lug, flash suppressor, telescoping stock.

MAKOwner
December 31, 2002, 06:41 PM
Buy now, and if the ban does die you can add most of the goodies back on the postban. If a new law is enacted you're still covered (and there may be a short period of time where you can stick stuff on your postban legally before such items are again considered "evil".

Only an idiot would pay more money for a neutered postban when a preban style gun is right there for the same money or cheaper. The demand in states that ban the goodstuff might keep the prices close to where they are, but they're not going to skyrocket...

Hkmp5sd
December 31, 2002, 10:28 PM
I'm somewhat undecided on the ban going away or not. It is a presidential election year with a republican president and republican controlled house and senate.

It would be very hard for the republicans to explain to us why THEY wrote, approved and signed a new assault weapon ban law and then try to get us to vote for them. In 1994, they had some plausible deniability. "It was the Democrats that did it!" Not now. It's all on their shoulders and they either stand buy their constituents or go find another job.

Monkeyleg
January 1, 2003, 04:31 AM
Hkmp5sd: "It's all on their shoulders and they either stand buy their constituents or go find another job."

Wrong answer. Demonstrate to them how it is in their best interest to vote against a renewal of the AW ban, how they can convince an overwhelmingly anti press that military look-alike semi-autos aren't full auto, that Evil Black Rifles don't "spray bullets," that they aren't more high-powered than a 30-06 hunting rifle, that they don't mow down helpless children with a single pull of the trigger, that they aren't the Holy Grail of guns sought by terrorists at US gun shows (with or without background checks), that Evil Black Rifles are not the root of all firearms-related problems here in the US...

In other words, give them the political cover they need to buck a media onslaught. If you can figure out how to do that, your legislator has his behind covered. If you can't, don't expect him to go out on a limb for you. You are a constituent. And there's 1000 constituents of his who've been programmed by the press to react when the Pavlovian bell rings.

Tall order, isn't it?

Hkmp5sd
January 1, 2003, 05:04 AM
Monkeyleg,

That's whay I was implying. We have to make it known to them that the majority of their constituents are against the ban and provide them with enough support to consider voting against a new ban as their best option.

This includes making them aware of the fact that Bush the 1st failed to gain re-election in part due to his 1989 import restrictions. He thought that sucking up to the democratic gun-grabbers was more important than annoying the gun owners. In his view, we had no other option than to vote for him. He was proven wrong by the lack of a NRA endorsement for president and by failing to be re-elected.

They must be made VERY aware that if they ignore us and create a new assault weapon ban, they will be replaced by someone that will represent our wishes.

4570Rick
January 1, 2003, 05:15 AM
4v50Gary has it right...:The "ban" was about "comestic appearances" and has no real substance with respects to the function of the firearm. More "feelgood" legislation that made us feel bad.

eap...ultimately they will get just about anything but "hunting purpose" armes banned, restricted or something

The Gun Grabbers have been refering to hunting rifles as "Sniper Rifles" for many years. But you go ahead and hold on to your dreams.

Pardon the flame, but you have to understand, the ultimate goal of the "Gun Grabbers" is complete firearms confiscation from all private citizens. :cuss: :banghead

MicroBalrog
January 1, 2003, 01:40 PM
Well, here in israel there's no RKBA :banghead:
But some of our police officers/security experts say there should be.

Monkeyleg
January 1, 2003, 04:54 PM
Hkmp5sd, sorry if I misconstrued what you said. However, I think the main reasons Bush I lost were: breaking his "no taxes" promise to his conservative base; and not addressing the issue of the recession to the satisfaction of the public. I've yet to see the AW issue show up as a reason for his defeat, except on some of the online gun forums, which represent a tiny minority of the public.

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