Angry neighbor has an "oops" moment


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Beren
November 24, 2004, 12:33 PM
This happened in my home county just recently. Thought you might find it a bit of a diversion from the drug war debate or the rabid Wisconsinite saga. Though it's nice to know our state troopers are willing to 'ride shotgun' on tractors. :)

http://post-gazette.com/pg/04329/416836.stm

"Neighbor threatens farmer over late-night harvest

Wednesday, November 24, 2004
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Should a farmer be able to run his noisy combine at 10:48 at night to gather in the last of his corn crop?

An Indiana County man didn't think so, but he's the one who ended up in trouble.

State police said Douglas Bieda, 48, was operating the combine tractor last night in a field off Tunnelton Road in the Clarksburg area of Conemaugh Township. Bieda wanted to harvest the last of his corn before weather got too bad.

Police said Christopher Bennett, 30, who lives nearby, drove his truck to the field and told Bieda harm would come to him if he didn't stop for the night.

Bieda stopped and called police. Trooper Bradley Overdorff got on the tractor and Bieda resumed work.

Minutes later, Bennett returned, this time with a rifle, police reported. Bennett allegedly pointed it at Bieda. When Overdorff got out of the tractor, Bennett began to point the weapon at the trooper, police said.

Overdorff ordered him to drop the gun. He did and was arrested. Police said they determined later that Bennett was upset about the noise and only wanted to scare Bieda into stopping.

Now, however, he is charged with aggravated assault and several other counts and is in jail on $10,000 bond."

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R.H. Lee
November 24, 2004, 12:42 PM
Bennett needs to be locked up for awhile while he contemplates the error of his ways, and get some gratitude the trooper did not shoot him on the spot.

M1911Owner
November 24, 2004, 01:02 PM
As a person who is very sensitive to noise, I'm with the farmer on this one. The crops need to be harvested when they need to be harvested. That's just part of living in the country.

George S.
November 24, 2004, 01:03 PM
Assuming there are no noise ordinances in effect at that hour, the farmer was probably within his rights to run the combine. Whether or not it was the "right thing" to do is another story. He probably should have let his neighbors know that he wanted to finish harvesting and to expect some noise for awhile.

But the angry neighbor is very lucky he didn't wind up in a pine box after pointing a rifle at the Trooper :eek: It's unbelievable how stupid some poeple can be.....

Justin
November 24, 2004, 01:11 PM
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cordex
November 24, 2004, 01:15 PM
Combines can be loud, but a few weeks ago I was watching a farmer harvesting corn across the road from my girlfriend's house at night and I was struck by how quiet it was. Maybe he had a sound suppressor mounted on it.

Idiot with the rifle needs to reconsider what is worth deadly force.

2nd Amendment
November 24, 2004, 01:20 PM
I'm sorry, George, but you have got to be kidding? You harvest when you can. Anyone near fields should know this and, if they don't like it, then they need to move. It's not the farmer's problem.

P95Carry
November 24, 2004, 01:28 PM
His crazy intolerance will have made (and left) its mark - for good. He was foolish in the extreme.

I back on to a huge cornfield - and half is yet to be cut. I have little doubt one evening there will be noise and dust - and I too am noise sentitive but - this has to be done and as Justin implied ... there are always ear plugs.

This guy will (should) regret this stupidity for rest of his life I fear.

erikm
November 24, 2004, 01:35 PM
Somehow, I think Bennet would have been more successful with a wad of cash...

As in "Here's $200 if you stop harvesting now. If the weather goes bad tonight, I'll re-emburse you for the lost part of your crop".

However, I have serious doubts he would have been financially able to try this :)

I agree that anyone living around arable farmers should realize that when it's harvest time any sane farmer won't stop working until the harvest is in.

Oh well, all's well that ends well. Noone got hurt, though I'll admit Bennet looks like a bonehead.

Hmm... If the trooper hadn't been on board, Bieda could have chased after Bennet with his combine. :eek:


Cheers,
ErikM :evil:

joebogey
November 24, 2004, 01:40 PM
This guy will (should) regret this stupidity for rest of his life I fear.

Somehow I doubt that very much. He's already shown a lack of common sense in the whole thing. Instead he'll spend his time whining and complaining about how he got caught up in a conspiracy brought together by the farmer and the State Policeman.

molonlabe
November 24, 2004, 01:41 PM
cool. Another idiot who won't be able to own a gun again.

Larry Ashcraft
November 24, 2004, 01:53 PM
This type of thing is happening more and more as people move to the country. They expect serenity and quiet, then they find out that combines are loud, land planes make a lot of dust, and cows and pigs smell bad. So they complain to the authorities that "something must be done".

Colorado recently passed a "Right to Farm" law that protects the farmer against these complainers.

Yooper
November 24, 2004, 01:56 PM
People don't appreciate how much time, energy, and investment go into planting and growing a crop, not to mention the risk involved with the weather. You harvest whenever you can to avoid additional expenses and losses. If the farm was there when the neighbor arrived, perhaps he should have investigated what farming was all about.

Bushwhacker
November 24, 2004, 02:06 PM
Betcha the guy ain't sleeping to "quietly" in the local slammer :evil:
Here tell "Bubba" to keep it quiet! SLAMMMMMMMM!!! :what:

foghornl
November 24, 2004, 02:57 PM
Having grown up in the "Agricultural South" I too know the pleasures of having to put in and take out the crops as weather allows. On the tractor @6:00AM, off @11:00PM

Spent waaaaayyy too many hours un-sticking combines & cotton pickers from fields that were wet.

And don't complain about farm noise while your belly and mouth are full.

Zach S
November 24, 2004, 03:48 PM
Hey, those are the same earplugs I use at work and the range...

Larry has a good point. Lots of folks move to the country for peace and quite, then find out farm equipment isnt very quite, so they complain. I always thought it was kinda funny.

txgho1911
November 24, 2004, 04:17 PM
I would love to go home. TX hill country NW of Austin. 10 miles off the hwy.
If instead I could only afford a place SW of Houston I will be able to count on having a combine in my ear every Fall. If I did not hear any road noise or people noise from next door then I would be happy to put up with a combine in my ear. The smell of livestock on most days is not overpowering. I would already have avoided the hog-farm.

lee n. field
November 24, 2004, 04:19 PM
Overdorff ordered him to drop the gun. He did and was arrested. Police said they determined later that Bennett was upset about the noise and only wanted to scare Bieda into stopping.


Sheee*. Put him away, that was totally uncalled for.

Is this another case of city-boy moving into rural area for the good life, not realizing that pigs smell ("the smell of money" as my pig farmer dad would say), tractors go slow and farmers don't have an 8 to 5 schedule?

TallPine
November 24, 2004, 04:20 PM
Out here in MT the ranchers/farmers often bale hay in the middle of the night because that is the only time that the moisture content is right for the baler to work right.

During the day it is often too dry (and/or hot ... sometimes 95-110 F)

Tory
November 24, 2004, 04:20 PM
"Lots of folks move to the country for peace and quite [sic], then find out farm equipment isnt very quite [sic], so they complain. I always thought it was kinda funny."

It's a lot WORSE than "funny" when these yuppie snots get taken seriously. We've had farms and air strips threatened and even shut down by these urban idiots who think they are the epicenter of creation, food magically appears wrapped in plastic, and their house should be the last one built. They buy a house abutting a farm, airport, dump or whatever and then expect that facility - which predates THEIR existence by decades - to accommodate them!

Even more pathetic when town governments and even the courts treat these selfish cretins as if THEY were the ones who came first. What a travesty of property rights and logic. :barf:

txgho1911
November 24, 2004, 04:38 PM
Do property values go through the roof when city slickers are shopping for a place to put the mobile home?
I would dig a hole and live under ground before I ever live in a trailer not tied to my truck.

Turkey Creek
November 24, 2004, 10:51 PM
Many city dwellers think that they are fed up with urban living and move to a rural location, expecting the convience and ammennities of the city but with more space- the problem lies in the fact that their expectations don't fit reality and they bring with them their city lifestyles and ideas, and assume that it's the job of their new neighbors to adapt instead of the other way around- I was an urban transplant and rural living took some getting used to on my part so I know wherefore I speak- I'll also add that getting out of the city was one of the smartest things I ever did, but it's not for everyone

jimpeel
November 24, 2004, 11:13 PM
Apparently, Mr. Bennett is one of those people who believes the vegetables get to market because the Vegetable Fairy goes to the supermarket every night and waves its magic wand.

artherd
November 24, 2004, 11:16 PM
Shoot, here in liberal CA the grapes are harvested at night exclusively, to help keep their skins intact. It's loud, dusty, they use blinding lights, and it's TEMPORARY! (and makes good wine :) We deal.

stevelyn
November 24, 2004, 11:27 PM
If you buy property:
and live near an airport, don't b!tch about the airplane noise.
and live near a shooting range, don't b!tch about the gunfire.
and live near a race track, don't b!tch about the loud engines.
and live in farm country, don't b!tch about farm noises, smells. etc.

Seems like this type of logic would not be lost on your average idiot. But then again, I'm probably giving the average idiot too much credit. :rolleyes:

Sindawe
November 24, 2004, 11:40 PM
some people's kids, harassing a farmer who puts the food people eat into the pipe. :banghead:

When I was in High School, my buddies used to whine and fuss about the occasional peice of farm equipment out on the roads where they wanted to open up the car and let it fly. They say stuff like the the equipment should be banned from the roads, farmers are dumb hicks, etc, etc, etc. I would just ask them "Hey dude, do you like to eat? Yea? Where do you think that food comes from? No, BEFORE its in the grocery store? Thats right, a FARM, so until you can subsist on light and air, STFU."

I'm still surprised that most of 'em made it out of their 20's alive.

Art Eatman
November 25, 2004, 09:46 AM
I've always felt lucky for having a life mixed between city living and country living. The feeling is even stronger when watching ex-urbanites try to "make it" in the country.

They have to learn the hard way about carpentry, wiring, plumbing, fence-building, firewood hassles and bugs and snakes and critters-in-general. And mud. Don't forget mud.

Bless their little old hearts! They're so much fun to watch!

After watching folks move out to my area of desert, this last twenty years, I firmly believe: It's much, much easier for a country boy to learn about "city" than for a city boy to learn about "country".

Heck, there's city folks who'll buy a tract of land downwind from a hog farm!

:D, Art

Moondoggie
November 25, 2004, 10:44 AM
Also in defense of the farmer, many combines are shared among several farmers on a "co-op" basis because they are so expensive and only get used a few days each year. They are very complex and break down quite a bit. The availability of trucks/drivers to move grain from the field to the elevator AND elevator capacity are also factors that most folks aren't aware of. Sometimes fluctuations in grain prices play a role in the decision of when to harvest. It's a business decision to harvest an any hour of the day or night when the equipment is available and conditions are right...kinda like a plant adding a 2nd/3rd shift when business conditions dictate. The major difference is that a big part of this farmer's annual income depends on getting this crop out of the field.

This whiner needs a good slapping-around as a wake-up call, and his right to own firearms permanently revoked. He gives responsible gun owners a bad name!

And "we" ought to make him grow all of his own food for a year...maybe on a prison farm somewhere!

Beren
November 25, 2004, 12:03 PM
Follow-up:

http://post-gazette.com/pg/04330/417346.stm

Interesting quotes:

"According to the state police, Bennett, 30, used the rifle only to scare Bieda because he was upset by the tractor noise so late at night. But Bieda's wife, Valerie, said the gun was loaded."

"Bieda knew rain was coming yesterday, so he wanted to harvest the rest of the corn at his parents' farm before it hit. He only had about five minutes of work left when Bennett showed up."

"He surrendered and was charged with two counts of aggravated assault and simple assault; reckless endangerment; terroristic threats; and trespass by a motor vehicle."

migoi
November 25, 2004, 12:43 PM
we've certainly come a long way from the time where neighbors of a farmer looking at deteriorating weather would pitch in and make sure the field was done before the rain hit.

migoi

CarlS
November 25, 2004, 01:03 PM
I'm sorry, George, but you have got to be kidding? You harvest when you can. Anyone near fields should know this and, if they don't like it, then they need to move. It's not the farmer's problem.

Amen and well stated. When you farm, you harvest while you can and when you can. And pray that prices are high enough to meet expenses and make a little profit.

Art Eatman
November 25, 2004, 05:58 PM
"What would you do with a million tax-free dollars?"

"Aw, I'd just keep on farmin' 'til it's gone."

Ryder
November 25, 2004, 08:01 PM
The dork is lucky he didn't get shot the first time he threatened the farmer.

magsnubby
November 26, 2004, 08:25 PM
Idiots like that is why i always had a .357 on my hip when i was farming. Didn't make any difference what time of day (or night) it was or what i was doing, from watering the livestock to driving a tractor or harvester, my Security Six was my constant companion.

pluvo
November 27, 2004, 02:00 AM
I'd love to trade the occasional farm noise for the car alarms/sirens/helicopter racket I have to put up with all the time.

I say they should plead the guy out and let him work the farmer's fields next year as his community service.

1000 hours or so should do it. :evil:

c_yeager
November 27, 2004, 02:47 AM
The noise of farming equipment is just one of those things you have to put up with in the country. It beats the heck out of the load stereos and high crime/hoodlums with guns that you find in the city.

Apparently this fellow missed that concept on SEVERAL levels. The country is better off with him not in it.

reagansquad
November 27, 2004, 06:05 AM
Loud harvest is better than boom cars... except now that I'm out of the hellhole, I can't sleep without boom cars trains and sirens.

ckyllo
November 27, 2004, 11:13 AM
since I am a farmer part time, just a small farm. I think I can say on behalf of all farmers, If you dont like it go back to the city where you belong. living next to a corn field means you have a very quiet neighbor 51 weeks of the year and the loud time is broken up through the year. most fields around here are 2-3 days to prep and plant 1 day to spray and around a day or 2 to harvest. now you just mutiply that by many fields and it makes for a very full plate. and I do carry on the farm and had to use my usp one time, a shield broke and needed a hole drilled in it to resecure it and I was too lazy to walk back to get a drill. :)

migoi
November 27, 2004, 12:43 PM
needed a bit, pluvo

"I'd love to trade the occasional farm noise for the car alarms/sirens/helicopter racket I have to put up with all the time.

I say they should plead the guy out and let him work the farmer's fields next year as his community service.

1000 hours or so should do it. "

Most of the farmers I've known throughout my life have consistently worked in the 12 to 15 hours a day, 6 to 7 days a week, 51 to 52 weeks a year range. Taking the low end of all those ranges and giving him an extra week off because he's a city fella comes out to: 6 X 12=72, 72 X 50 = 3600. Then to make it more real, if he doesn't make the margin after paying overhead... the year don't count, he has to do it again with an extra day for every $100 below expenses he manages to make.

To all the farmers reading...thanks.

migoi

litman252
November 27, 2004, 07:24 PM
Assuming there are no noise ordinances in effect at that hour, the farmer was probably within his rights to run the combine. Whether or not it was the "right thing" to do is another story. He probably should have let his neighbors know that he wanted to finish harvesting and to expect some noise for awhile.

:rolleyes: :what: :eek:

From a guy who grew up on a farm and still helps Dad as much as possible, GIVE ME A BREAK.

Couple of months ago I was busy at work, Dad asked for help a couple of days in advance. Went to bed a 6 on Wed night, got up at 11:30 at night and went to work. Was done working at 5pm on Thur. night and ran up to Dad's to do some hay, Got home around 11pm. Just another day in "the life"
And I have been in a tractor many times at 3 in the morning, both starting early and going late. I do this just to help the old man, nothing like the ones doing it full time, they deserve many times more the credit.

And thanks to the ones who say thanks, just something many of us do 'cause we can and want to.

:)
Tony

gunsmith
November 27, 2004, 07:57 PM
"Overdorff ordered him to drop the gun. He did and was arrested. Police said they determined later that Bennett was upset about the noise and only wanted to scare Bieda into stopping "

I remember that movie with Charles Bronson as the good guy and Henry Fonda as the bad guy (Once Upon The Time In The West) the Fonda character said-
"People scare better when they're dead"

ceetee
November 28, 2004, 03:42 PM
Back in the days when "civilized" Florida ended a few miles inland from the beach, a man started up a mushroom farm, way out in the boonies. Over the years, "civilization" spread, and grew, and filled in the empty spaces around him.

Now I won't pretend to say that mushroom farms smell pretty. In fact, mushrooms grow best in a mixture of pure manure, combined with more manure, topped off by a nice healthy dose of manure. Considering the fact that mushrooms grow fast, and mature in days, this "gentleman farmer" did a bang-up business. So good was his business, in fact, that he was forever in need of the aforementioned manure, and brought it in fresh by the truckload.

His new neighbors put up with his nonsense for a few years, then someone started complaining to the city zoning board that his farm was a nuisance. The zoning board agreed that it was probably not too pleasant living next to a manure dump, and suggested the irate folks move somewhere nicer.

These folks tried to get him cited for health code violations, noise violations, whatever. Finally they sued, seeking a stop order. The judge laughed at them, right there in court.

It seems that there's a little common sense left in the world, though you just may have to go looking for it...

anapex
November 28, 2004, 05:44 PM
I spent the first 20 years of my life in Indiana County, more then likely this wasn't a yuppie complaining (although possible). My guess is it was someone with a hangover who wanted some quiet so he could sleep it off. And yes in the christmas tree capital of the world you can still have a hangover at 10:30 at night.

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