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jefnvk
November 27, 2004, 04:49 PM
OK, I finally got a Swede :D

Two questions:

1) How do I read the brass disc? The Part with a 6,46 and 6,51 has a 9 marked in the 6,46 row. The part with the 1 2 3 in a triangle has nothing markd, and other part says Torped Överslag 0 Str

2) THe barrel is threaded, how common was this and what went there? That couldn't be a silencer on a rifle, is it?

3) EDIT: One more. The bottom stock is dark, and grainy. THe top is light, with almost unnticible grain. Were different woods used?

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yesterdaysyouth
November 27, 2004, 05:41 PM
#2 is for this...


http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=151274

JohnKSa
November 27, 2004, 06:43 PM
There were different woods used--and there was generally no effort made to match for color. Could be a different kind of wood or just two pieces that took the finish differently.

There are different stock disks, but the most common one is read like this.

The section with the '1', '2' , and '3' gives the armorer's determination of the condition of the bore at last test. No marks means the barrel was new at last check. '1' is the next best condition and it goes down from there. Theoretically you should never see a '3' because the barrel should be replaced at that point and a new disk installed. I have seen some '3's though and the guns seem to shoot just fine. The Swedes were VERY picky about these guns and what is unacceptable to them is really still top condition.

The largest section of the disk is the bore diameter in mm. You can probably figure it out from that information. Basically there are two rows that give the first few digits of the bore diameter and then the final digit is marked. The last section of the disk isn't typically marked with anything. I think it had some kind of hold-over information from when they switched from 160gr round nose ammo to 140gr spitzer. I've never seen one that had anything marked in it.

jefnvk
November 27, 2004, 06:46 PM
Here are some pics.

There is a white sticker on the bottom, and a tag hanging on the triger. I was told these are arsenal tags, is this true?

For the bore, am I to assume that 6,46 is the diameter of a new bore?

Jim K
November 27, 2004, 08:21 PM
The marks indicate the degree of muzzle wear. Yours sounds about new.

Gun Parts Corp. (www.gunpartscorp.com) sells ($7) a muzzle cap to cover and protect those barrel threads and restore the appearance of the rifle.

Jim

DnPRK
November 27, 2004, 08:39 PM
The "9" means your bore mics out at 6.49mm

Sleeping Dog
November 27, 2004, 08:44 PM
The white tape on the buttstock probably means the rifle is stored in slot 74 in the company armory. The US Army generally does the same thing, painting rack location on the buttstock.

rust collector
November 27, 2004, 08:56 PM
Some swedes came with beech stocks, some walnut, and perhaps other woods were used as well. Chances are good that the handguard on your gun was switched out at some point due to damage to the original, or it is possible that stock components were mix-and-match. You should be able to tell the species from the grain in the wood.

I may have a leftover walnut handguard from a project gun. Can't remember if they're numbered, but I suspect they were not. Let me know if you're looking for one and I'll check my stock stack.

cracked butt
November 27, 2004, 09:27 PM
The '9' means a 6.49mm bore.

the 1,2,3 is an indicator of bore condition, no marking means the barrel was new the last time it was checked at an armory.

The torpdam/overslag- I think is an adjustment on the trajectory vs sight setting when the the Swedes moved from the 160 gr bullets to the 140 gr spitzer bullets. I don't think they actually ever used markings in this section of the disc, but often put a range compensation decal or metal plate on the stock.

The stocks might be mismatched because part of it might have been replaced while rearsenalled. The handguard and stock are both numbered and should match if original, though you have to take the rifle apart to find this.


An afterthought- the stock discs aren't very meaningful as some unscrupulous people can easily find replacement discs to swap out on rifles that have bores marked with oversized or worn bores. Sometimes, if you take the disc out of the stock, the pinged markings on the disc will have corresponding indentations in the wood underneath, meaning that the disc was probably struck at an armory and not in bubba's garage.

jefnvk
November 27, 2004, 11:35 PM
OK.

Just went and cleaned the cosmo out of the barrel. This thing has a nicer, shinier look then my Rem 700. Very doubtful the ring was swapped (although, thanks, I had never thought of that)

Tried the bullet in the tip of barrel thing, seemed OK.

JohnKSa
November 27, 2004, 11:50 PM
jefnvk,

The range of bore diameters is probably chosen to include all the possible options (maybe all of the possible IN-SPEC options). I've never seen one tighter than 6.49mm. In fact, both of my Swedes show no marks on the condition section (meaning brand new barrels) and bores of 6.49mm.

BTW, if you look around you can get a flash hider or a threaded cap to cover the muzzle threads. The flash hider is a little funny looking on a long bolt rifle to my eyes, but you might like it. The muzzle caps are a bit smaller than the barrel outside diameter so you can spot them, but they look a good deal better than the bare threads or the plastic ring put there to protect the threads by the Swedes.

There are also original sight hoods made to fit the front sight, and for around $30 or so you can get a bayonet to fit the rifle.

The rear sight is probably only marked down to 300meters. That means it will shoot about 11" high with the military ammo at 100 yards with the rear sight at the lowest setting. There are higher front sights available from various sources. Drive out the old one and put in the new one. Then you can file it down at the range to get the gun shooting to point of aim at 100 yards if that's what you want.

Take your time when you benchrest the gun. If you have the eyes and the technique, I'll bet it will shoot 3 shots into less than an inch using the military surplus ammo.

cracked butt
November 28, 2004, 12:33 AM
Just went and cleaned the cosmo out of the barrel. This thing has a nicer, shinier look then my Rem 700
I don't have a bore scope, but subjectively looking down the bores of different rifles, the swedish rifles I have look far better than the Rem 700 that I have. Although modern rifles benifit from better materials and better manufacturing processes, the swedish rifles were made with alot more care and attention to detail.

jefnvk
December 1, 2004, 05:33 PM
Maybe someone can answer this: Is the tag on the trigger an importer tag, or an arsenal tag. I've heard both ways so far, but noone really knows for sure.

It has 'A15072' handwritten on one side, and 'No. ' (and some number) printed on the other side, but marked through. This side is blue, the handwritten side is white.

Thanks!

mrming
December 2, 2004, 02:27 PM
I believe it is an arsenal tag. I think importers marks are typically done with an electricscribe..

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