Help me pick a fun / shtf rifle


December 1, 2004, 09:53 PM
I am going to buy a new rifle this weekend for shtf / fun, and don't really know what I want. I am considering a wasr10 or a saiga but will take any other opinions into consideration. Requirments - semi auto, must accept high caps, evil black color :D . Thanks

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December 1, 2004, 10:08 PM
How about a cetme 20 rounds mags 308 fun to shoot ... or for the cheeper set sks course its not black

December 1, 2004, 10:15 PM
AR-15. SAR-1. FAL.

December 1, 2004, 10:29 PM
Oh I forgot to mention my budget is in the $300.00 dollar range. :(

Roland of Gilead
December 1, 2004, 10:31 PM
Mini-14 folder
SKS Paratrooper Folder
if you want to get thru BA and want to spend under $500 (The SKS could be super nice for less than $500)

If you want something with a little more range and still want to spend less than $500

$500 to $1000 range I'd say look at Mini-14s and 16" AR clones if you wnat 5.56, and G3s if you like 7.62

If you want to step up over that price I'd say an AR in whatevever variant and caliber you think would fit you best. With those things the sky is the limit. I personally was really impressed with the one SL8 I got to fire, and also (I don't know where to even find these) he had a AUG that used M-16 mags. It would make a great SHTF gun.

M1A or FAL if you prefer 7.62 NATO and also if $$$ is no object.

Now that you have a price I's like to add this.

A battle rifle must be (to me):
high power enough to penetrate Level 2 BA
be accurate out to 350 yards
be quickly reloadable
have some provision for changing sights (Weaver mounts, etc.)
have a provision for attaching a flashlight

For under $300, and if 7.62mmx39 is acceptable ( for me its not), get an SKS. For $300 you got a SKS with a quality folding stock or Ram-Line or comparable sporting stock, a scope mount, a scope, a Lithium powered light and the hardware to mount it, and even a laser if you want it. All you got to do is learn to load with stripper clips. IMHO SKS detachable mags are much slower than stripper clips because they are so awkward, and are not worth the trouble.
IF you have to have detachable mags, you could find a paratrooper SKS that uses AK mags with a druganov stock for $300 if you were patient, but you'd have no $$ left for the little things I think are necessary.
Why do I not like SAIGA? I don't like AK safeties and in a battle rifle I like a pistol grip style stock. If you don't mind these shortcomings, I think it would be fine too.

December 1, 2004, 10:35 PM
Saiga of any flavor, SKS, Wasr-10, SAR-1,2,3, Kel-Tech SU16 (not sure on the price on that one, though - might be out of your budget), and a CETME would all fit the bill.

December 1, 2004, 10:43 PM
$300 budget?

SAR-1 AK clone or WASR-10.


Keltec Sub-2000 9mm.


December 1, 2004, 10:44 PM
Thanks guys it will be a sar1, wasr, or saiga in 7.62.

DT Guy
December 1, 2004, 10:51 PM

Looks like it was built at night in a hailstorm by blind monkeys with arthritis, and works just fine. :D


December 2, 2004, 11:09 AM
You should be able to get the Saiga 7.62x39 for about $200. At least, that's how much it is around here. You can then convert it to pistol grip with about another $80. You're still under $300 that way, and you'll have the classic "evil black rifle" look.

December 3, 2004, 11:03 PM
Get an SKS, or a mosin nagant M44.

December 4, 2004, 12:11 AM
A SAR-1 or used Mini 14 maybe, but for anything under $300 it is going to be hard to find it in evil black.

December 4, 2004, 01:09 AM
sks course its not black whatever you get can be outfitted with black furniture. Or, consider electrical tape. ;)

December 4, 2004, 06:30 AM
I would vote for an SKS. That way you could get a case of ammo and still come in under your price limit. Plus you wouldnt have to buy magazines either.

December 4, 2004, 01:22 PM
SKS, stripper clips and 2000 rds of ammo. Should come in at under $300. Heck, you may even be able to squeeze in another 1000 rds of ammo.

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