Of Democrats, Republicans and whiny, arrogant, bullheaded morons


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victory
December 2, 2004, 05:58 AM
This was inspired by a thread on DU. Just though i'd share my views with the upstanding citizens on The High Road

frankly, i never see the kind of degrading of other people on gun websights that i see on DU...ok, maybe occasionally on glocktalk, but not here. This is my analysis of democrats versus republicans when it comes to being whiny, arrogant, bullheaded morons.

Note: this post contains humor. if you lack a sence of it, do not read.

Personally, i consider myself a libertarian

I have no problems with democrats that support my rights and the rights of others, but they are few and far between. Same goes for republicans. My best friend is fairly left wing (often spouting marxist views), but libertarian in the issues where it counts. He is more pro gun than the vast majority of rupublicans. The large majority of my friends are left of center, however none of them are anti-gun (some may have started that way, but i fixed them).

Anyway, a good story about partisans, maturity and gun control. On election day i voted for Michael Badnarik, and in positions there wasn't a libertarian, i voted for an equal number of democrats and republicans. I had a long time to think about who i would vote for because i was serving as a PA state deputy constable (a volunteer position, though the county constable was so impressed by my work i might be able to weasel a job out of it) and was tasked with guarding the polling place from 7am until the vote was counted. My main tasks were enforcing rules such as those pertaining to keeping partisan postings, and pundits out of the polling place as well as people with cameras. Sidenote: Guns are ok though. I was asked by the judge because someone used a CWP as his second form of ID. Fortunately i'm very knoledgable on PA gun laws (the judge was not) so this responsible gun owner went unmolested.

Of course there was some friction as PA law forbids the wearing of campaign buttons or stickers inside a polling place. Seriously, you can't do it just like you can't hang a banner that says VOTE BUSH. The ruling from the state elections comittee was that no partisan political messages can be posted inside a polling place, whether on the wall or on a person, whether 40 feet wide or 4 inches around. Don't care if no one stopped you at your polling place, that constable wasn't doing his job, but, dammit, i was doing mine.

On average, more democrats gave me trouble than republicans, who, for the most part, complied politely without a fight. A good amount of democrats didn't put up a fight but gave me lip and started with speeches about how they were being oppressed. That's before i politely told them that a reasonable person would see the need to remove campaign material from a place where people are supposed to vote free of intimidation, even if that was not their intent, and that, frankly, they could save save their speech for someone that give a rats ass. Probably someone on DU that will claim i'm part of a vast right wing conspiracy, despite the fact that i enforced the ruling completely free of bias. How could i be biased? I hated the major party candidates and no one came in with a badnarik sticker (which i would have asked them to remove anyway). One democratic woman sent a lawyer to yell at me, who, despite the fact that i'm a NURSING STUDENT, i schooled hardcore on election law. I showed him the law, he told me that i was interpreting it wrong, so i got the state election board on the phone and they told him that his ass just got schooled by a 20 year old nursing student, and that he should probably repeat his 100 level criminal justice course (ok, not those exact words.)

The worst trouble, although far less frequent, came from republicans. The first occured when moveon.org set up a table the leagal distance outside the polling place. This woman calls the RNC comes up to me and starts to complain then puts me on the phone with the RNC. The RNC person, who happens to know the law, listens to me for a minute then asks to speak to the woman. Her smile turns to a frown, then i tell her to hit the breeze. problem solved. The second was a towering man wearing a Bush hat. I got as far as "Sir, could you please remove...." before he pushed by me. I followed him continuing my sentence. He got right up in my face and barked that he heared on talk radio that he didn't have to. Ah, talk radio, the bastion of truth. I informed him of the earlier situation with the democratic lady's lawyer and even had the republican representative tell him. Meanwhile, holding on to his "voter approved" card (little slip of paper the clerk gives you after you sign in, to hand to the machine operator before you can cast your ballot) until he complied. He through the hat on the table and yelled "this is bull****" I handed him his voter approved card and wished him a pleasant evening. Sorry, i enforced the rules for everyone else, i just can't let this guy slide because he's stubborn. Before anyone gives me crap about it just being a hat, think about a cop fining someone for 5mph over the speed limit. Will he just let you go if you give him crap about it just being 5 over or will he then cite you for that, then cite you for 16 other things he was just going to ignore if you were pleasant?

What can we learn from this? Democrats are probably more arrogant, immature and bullheaded on average, but republicans can be the worst. I have found this true. More polite right wingers, but the impolite ones are really, really bad. For instance, people who shoot abortion doctors. Really impolite right-wingers. Timothy McVeigh, really impolite right-winger. Conversely, the rioters at the RNC. A lot more of them, but at least no one got killed. I think the democrats were just trying way to hard to proove that they were somehow being oppressed by the vast right wing conspiracy. They'll probably go home and post on DU that some giant guy, who was probably some gun-owning, right-wing-nutcase, hired by the state: grabbed me at the polls, ripped off my kerry sticker, kicked my dog, and spit on me.

I'll further prove my point

The night went on and i chatted it up with some of the republicans. They were well dressed and well mannered. On points where they disagreed with my libertarian philosophy, they were gentlemanly and gave my point just consideration before disagreeing with me using well thought out arguments. Fortunately, the really impolite right-wingers were not among this group, so, to make sure my hypothesis still held true, i posted one of the statements they disagreed with on glocktalk and was promptly trounced, called a traitor and had it suggested that i be given a death warranting one.

I later began chatting with a group of democrats. It consisted of some well dressed and well mannered people. On points where they disagreed with my libertarian philosophy, they were polite and gave my point just consideration before disagreeing with me using well thought out arguments. The rest of them were shrieking women and this kid with a torn DU hoodie covered with anti bush/anti war buttons, most of which lacked any deeper thought than "F*** BUSH!" and "Lets not elect him again." They were polite enough until they disagreed with me at which point i saw fire in their eyes but they restrained themselves. I purposely held gun control until the end when i said, "so...who else is celebrating the expiration of the assault weapons ban...like, seriously, i just bought a dozen high cap magazines and started building an AR-15. Booyah! Flash supressor!" i raised my hand hoping for a high-five...which i did not recieve. I was instead accused of killing children and being the cause of all that is evil, and that was just the begining. Although there are plenty of rational democrats, even some pro gun ones, nothing sets off the irrational ones moreso than gun control. I shrunk back to the republican side as they threw rotting vegetables at me (slight exaggeration).

"My god man! what did you say!" exclaimed one of the republicans.
"I just wondered if any of them were celebrating the death of the assault wea...."
"Hell yeah! i bought like, a dozen high caps and a collapsable stock for my AR-15! Booyah!" we high fived...i was among the sane again.

I finished off the night going to the democrats after party. Cheers and applause rang out evey time a state turned blue, sighs as others turned red. I watched the smiles turn to frowns, to bitter sobbing as the night went on. I laughed my ass off as i sipped on my Sam Addams Octoberfest (Which is damn good beer)....uh, did i say i was 20 earlier....i meant 21. It was hilarious knowing that these people were just now realizing that all hope was gone and that america was falling all to hell. As a libertarian, i had figured out ages ago that this was inevitable no matter who won, so i could be content sipping my beer and eating my free food on the democratic party's dime as the nation crumbled around me. No the democrats do not encourage underage drinking, i encourage responsible drinking regardless of puritan drinking laws. After all, i am a libertarian. Personal responsibility ring a bell? Anyway, it was nice to show the democrats all about the welfare state through example. I, as a libertarian, did nothing to deserve free food at the DNC's after party. But, despite this, i still got a free meal and it was out of their pocketbooks. Thanks for the handouts!

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cracked butt
December 2, 2004, 10:02 AM
Of Democrats, Republicans and whiny, arrogant, bullheaded morons

...and smarmy self-righteous libertarians :neener:

At any rate, thanks for volunteering to work at the polls.

:cool:

Joe Demko
December 2, 2004, 10:06 AM
Just imagine how it would improve the quality of your life to stop visiting DU.

OF
December 2, 2004, 10:57 AM
"so...who else is celebrating the expiration of the assault weapons ban...like, seriously, i just bought a dozen high cap magazines and started building an AR-15. Booyah! Flash supressor!" i raised my hand hoping for a high-five...which i did not recieve.That is freaking priceless! :D

- Gabe

victory
December 2, 2004, 11:19 AM
the only reason i was at DU, joe, is because someone on this board linked to it. And damn them for raising my blood pressure

Smarmy self-righteous libertarians? You wouldn't be complaining if we weren't always right about everything. I think your just jealous that your political views aren't infallible. (note: i'm being a smartass, libertarianism is far from perfect...but it's still better than the alternative :D )

victory
December 2, 2004, 11:34 AM
That is freaking priceless!

Not even the best part. They gave me the standard follow-up. "what do you need an assault weapon for, and don't tell me for hunting"

"Um...no, it's mainly for killing people."

it seriously took them 5 minutes to collect their thoughts and come up with a responce to the effect of "Why do you need to kill people?"

"You obviously don't live in Chester" (anyone from SE PA should understand that)

Contemplating their sheltered, whitebread, gated-community, existance, they realized rational argument was a lost cause and blamed me for Vietnam (or something to that effect, i really stopped paying attention).

ThreadKiller
December 2, 2004, 11:45 AM
I don't have any problem being a registered Republican. No, I don't think they're right about everything and they're certainly not perfect but they happen to be the party I agree most with.

Until the Libertarians start winning some local elections and establish a firm base, the White House will always be out of their reach.

(And the Libertarian Party ain't perfect either.)

Tim

cheese_head
December 2, 2004, 12:31 PM
to limit expression in this forum
see i would like it to be a totally politics free zone
treat democrat republican liberal conservative socialist just as you would a offensive word
cause seriously if you tow any partys line blindly your stupid
i cant believe some of the morons here who trash the republicans and i cant believe the morons at DU who trash the republicans
maybe its time to take the politics out of the high road
btw i never knew about DU until i came here

cracked butt
December 2, 2004, 12:38 PM
Cheese_head- the name of this board is Legal and Political , it is ok to exchange some friendly jabs here once in awhile.

cheese_head
December 2, 2004, 12:41 PM
my opinion is if it doesnt have to do with gun control it doesnt belong here
i might have opposing views on
abortion
iraq
war on drugs
gay marriage
prescription drug imports from canada
it doesnt have anything to do with the 2nd amendment
it doesnt belong here
just my opinion

victory
December 2, 2004, 02:02 PM
There was plenty of gun control related stuffin my post.

Anyway, it was just some fun jabs.

BTW, i don't think anyone votes libertarian if they're expecting to win. It's more of a "none of the above" kind of vote. Tell the other parties to adopt some new policies and give the third party voters a major party candidate they can agree on.

RealGun
December 2, 2004, 02:13 PM
Some here may be morons, but at least they know how to compose a sentence and type it correctly.

Preacherman
December 2, 2004, 02:29 PM
Cheesehead, please remember that this forum (L&P) is provided specifically for political discussion, as long as it has some relevance to RKBA and civil liberties. You don't have to agree with it - if you don't like it, don't read or post here.

BTW, Victory, great post! I'm cackling into my teacup at the thought of the Democratic table having a mass attack of panty-wadding at the thought of a Libertarian constable with hi-caps and a flash-hider! :D

Andrew Rothman
December 2, 2004, 02:46 PM
Contemplating their sheltered, whitebread, gated-community, existance, they realized rational argument was a lost cause and blamed me for Vietnam (or something to that effect, i really stopped paying attention).

Syndicated humor columnist Dave Barry is retiring; I think you should apply. Fargin' hilarious!

victory
December 2, 2004, 02:53 PM
I love dave barry. he's speaking at the kimmel center sometime in the spring and my university is sponsoring the event. Unfortunately the bastards aren't discounting tickets for students of said university and i can't aford to blow $100 on a ticket.

BTW, i didn't reallize how barry-esque that line was until you quoted it.

victory
December 2, 2004, 02:56 PM
Some here may be morons, but at least they know how to compose a sentence and type it correctly.

Didn't call anyone here a moron, at least not yet.

anyway....publik skool

Man, i was thinking, i should really contact the township constable and see if i can do some parttime stuff for her. 80 hours for basic training and 40 for basic firearm cert, then 24 con-ed per year to maintain the cert and 20 hours of advanced handgun training per year (free to me, mind you) to keep that part up. It may seem like a lot for a part time gig, but may be worth it just so at age 20 i could pack heat into new jersey and NYC and they couldn't do jack because i'd be covered under HR218. BWAHAHAHAHA. how deliciously evil.

wasrjoe
December 2, 2004, 02:58 PM
Enjoyable read. Thumbs up.

cheese_head
December 2, 2004, 09:40 PM
sounds more like sterotyping
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=1387108#post1387108

victory
December 2, 2004, 09:48 PM
humor often involves stereotyping and exaggeration.

as i said at the top: this post contains humor. if you lack a sence of it, do not read.

Moparmike
December 2, 2004, 09:54 PM
In reference to the thread you linked, if the leftist, gun-grabbing, wealth-redistributing, global-government shoe fits, wear it. :cuss:




Like Preacherman said, if you dont like it, leave. We have had enough inner-termoil within the board when the L&P board's vitriol pump regulator failed. Questioning how we speak of our political enemy by using their own actions and words against them in a Political forum is hardly cause for alarm, nor is it cause for a newbie to start dictating how the owner, Oleg Volk, and his assorted minionsModerators (;)) run the board.

cheese_head
December 2, 2004, 09:56 PM
If you dont have a sense of humor don't read.
http://www.weisnotsorry.com/
hilarious stuff lol hahaha
see what im saying now mopar mike is flaming me
and i am sure there will be more to follow
my point is why the bashing?

CentralTexas
December 2, 2004, 10:47 PM
I truly enjoyed the spewage!
CT

wasrjoe
December 2, 2004, 11:39 PM
Wow, I'm looking for bashing, and all I see is a humorous account of one man's experiences. I must need glasses.

Geech
December 2, 2004, 11:50 PM
This was very funny. Good post.

Roland of Gilead
December 3, 2004, 06:18 PM
Since some good natured sparring is acceptable, let's go. I am the GOPs nightmare. Male, white (or American Indian depending on if you are looking at me or I am filling out a yellow form), 26, gun owner, heterosexual, straight ticket voting Democrat. I am the only person in AL/TN with a Kerry/Edwards sticker next to the Glock, Ruger stickers on my rear windshield. I also still have my yard signs up. They'll come down when I quit having to see Bush signs, or the gods take them from me.

How can this be?

I find it hard to swallow that I should vote GOP only to preserve the RKBA when I will then have to use that right to try to stop everything else that the GOP does. I vote Democrat because even if they outlaw my guns, they still have to come get them. And I demand Liberty or Death, so they'll have to pick up my empty guns off the floor where I dropped them when they ran dry. Its a Catch-22 that I struggle with every election year, and every year so far, I have come to the same conclusion.

I disagree with democrats on gun control. I disagree with GOPers on virtually everything else.
I am pro-choice, first trimester, second trimester, third trimester, on demand, late term, partial birth, first abortion or 101st, whatever you want to call it, no apologies. Fetuses don't have constitutional protection. They aren't citizens. You get to be a citzen by applying for citizenship or by being born here. Fetuses have done neither. Are we gonna extend citizenship to everyone who claims they were a zygote in the US? How will we prove if you were concieved in the US or not? If you think an embryo is a sacred form of life, have your wife or daughter (or yourself if you are a female) emplanted with one of the millions of frozen embyos in storage around the US. If you don't it they will be destroyed, and your God will be pissed at you.

I am pro gay rights, because other than ridiculous religious objections (which are not constituionally viable) there is no reason to exclude homosexuals from any part of American life including marriage.

I am a socialist. I like most people in the world believe that a developed society with the capability to do so, has a responsiblity to help alleviate some of the unfairness and inequality in life.

I think the War on Terror is a perfect example of the double standard the GOP has about everything. Until last year I lived in AL. The last terrorist who attacked my home state was a religious nut. He acted in accordance with his god's teachings that adulterous women and homosexuals should be killed. After killing a police officer and maiming a nurse with a destructive device he ran and hid in a remote mountainous region where other nuts of the same religious persuasion helped him. Sound familiar? Why did the GOP not rail against terror when Eric Rudloph commmited an act of terrorism against my state like they did when Bin Ladens folk hit NYC?

Instead the political/social right continues to shout from the mountaintops the rhetoric that encourages this kind of attack. "Abortion is Murder!" "Homosexuals are an abomination to God!" So if you say abortion is murder, then you legitamize this behavior. If you say homosexuality is an abomination, you legitamize this behavior. And you and I are enemies.

This all relates to RKBA because these quasi-religious ideas are the thoughts I imagine are in the heads that I imagine downrange when I am holding and squeezing. If the civil war that the right started with their terrorist murders of doctors in AL and FL escalates, I imagine it might be some people who think like many of you that I will find in my crosshairs.

I hope this never happens and even pray that it doesn't (though not to the same bloodthirsty god G.W. Bush and Pat Robertson pray to.)

I wouldn't dish this out if I couldn't take it. I am not angry at anyone in particular here, and don't mean to come off as such. I bet the people that I am talking about in the above paragraphs recognize themselves and know who they are.

All this politics talk is getting to me, I'm headed back to Rifle Country.

wasrjoe
December 3, 2004, 06:34 PM
Why did the GOP not rail against terror when Eric Rudloph commmited an act of terrorism against my state like they did when Bin Ladens folk hit NYC?

You make it sound like the GOP is quietly saying OK to these types of acts. That's utter BS. Just because the GOP doesn't tear up the entire US when a few nuts do something motivated by religion doesn't mean that they're ignoring the problem.

So if you say abortion is murder, then you legitamize this behavior... And you and I are enemies.

Wow, that's good to know. Get a freaking grip on reality. I think abortion is murder. Why else would I think it's wrong? Because I don't want stupid women making choices? :rolleyes: Third trimester abortions? Dear god, man. Why don't you just do eigth year abortions, too?

BTW, I'm not exactly GOP. Atheist, pro gay rights, pro gay marriage, pro RKBA (obviously), and anti-abortion. So spare me that lecture.

Preacherman
December 3, 2004, 07:00 PM
Closed for terminal lack of civility. Those who can't keep their mouths shut when over-excited: next time, please learn! :fire:

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