Just to show how nice Saddam really is...


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Preacherman
February 28, 2003, 11:17 PM
From the London Daily Telegraph (http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$LC3M0JFDWOL1PQFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2003/02/28/wirq228.xml):

We will gas you when US bombs fall, Kurds told

(Filed: 28/02/2003)

If war comes to Iraq, the Kurds of Kifri will be right in the line of fire. Iraqi officials have threatened that the moment the first American bomb lands, they will reply with a chemical assault on the town.

But in the entire place, there is not a single gas mask to be had, and no detection posts, decontamination centres or safe houses.

In lieu of proper protection, the residents of Kifri have been doing what they can to prepare. The women have baked high-energy biscuits that will keep fresh for weeks. The men scour the town's bazaar for extra blankets and plastic sheeting.

At night families listen intently to the news on ageing radio sets.

"It's going to be hard on the children," said Ali Muhammad Nasir, 30, who lives with his wife, Runak, and two little ones. "But we know only too well what Saddam's capable of."

Kifri is barely two hours' drive from Baghdad and at the southern tip of Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq. For years, the town has lived under the shadow of Saddam Hussein's forces. From its southern edge, a big Iraqi military base dominates the skyline. On the left, Baghdad's tanks are dug in and, to the right, is a missile silo.

Shells crash into the surrounding fields regularly and at night machineguns open fire without warning.

The town's misery has been dragged out for more than a decade. In 1991, its residents were forced to flee for the mountains when Iraqi troops rolled into town. Five years later, the Iraqis returned and they fled again. Mr and Mrs Nasir slept rough for 10 days.

In one vicious attack since then, the Iraqis used phosphor bombs that left victims horribly burnt.

"What can we do?" asked Mr Nasir, who earns a living as a petrol trader. "I would gladly give a month's salary for a gas mask, but there are none. The mountains are our only chance."

As he spoke, his three-year-old daughter Randa sat quietly at his feet. His wife said: "For her, it will be the first time. She is terrified."

In Kifri, the signs of war are everywhere. At the town's mosque, Bakar Abas was wearing cheap sunglasses to hide his ravaged eyes. He was blinded by an Iraqi rocket in 1993 when he was aged 11.

"Now I spend my days praying and studying the Koran," he said. In the main cemetery, the corpses of Kurdish peshmerga guerrilla fighters lie in neat rows. As we walked between the headstones, a tank shell landed just outside the town. At the last Kurdish checkpoint the officers looked nervous.

"The Iraqis have said they will overrun us when the fighting starts," said one. "We are brave, but we can't do much against tanks and missiles."

In the bazaar, demand for plastic sheeting, torches, ropes and blankets has soared. Asie Hamid Ali, 32, who runs a stall, said: "Everybody except the peshmerga is preparing to flee for the hills."

For some, escape is not even an option. All they can do is stay in their houses and hope for the best.

Wafa Kamal, 22, a housewife, wearing a bright pink dress, said: "In my house there are six children and four adults. But my uncle is sick with cancer and cannot walk. So we'll have to stay."

"I've bought some bread and sugar. What else can I do? Most of all, it's the gas that scares me. But nobody's told us what to do if it comes. All we can do is pray."

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Sergeant Bob
March 1, 2003, 02:23 PM
The Kurds have nothing to worry about! I'm sure "The Human Shields" will stand between Saddam's army and the Kurds! :rolleyes:

Schuey2002
March 1, 2003, 02:50 PM
We will gas you when US bombs fall, Kurds told
But everyone knows that he doesn't have WMD's. :rolleyes: How's he going to gas the Kurds without any gas ??

I just love it when Saddam says, "We don't have any WMD's!!" but, then he turns around and states, "If you attack us then I'm using the WMD's (that I just said that I don't own) on you and others around me!!"..:rolleyes: :banghead:

Monkeyleg
March 1, 2003, 05:52 PM
Good point, Schuey. I just love it when the anti-war crowd says that we haven't proven that Saddam has WMD. He kicked the inspectors out in 1998. If he did destroy his chembio stuff, wouldn't he have announced it to the world and saved himself a ton of grief.

He still has the stuff.

Baba Louie
March 1, 2003, 05:55 PM
Just like S.H. told Dan Rather that he wouldn't destroy the missles and yet he begins to do so. All of them? Some of them? The older models only? The ones we know about (how many inspectors would it take to cover, say Missouri, and find everything there (lotsa caves))

Misinformation perhaps?

The Iraqi troops preparing to surrender? (another thread)

Yet we'll take out the Kurds.

The Americans made me do it.

What is it with these people? Why don't the people from AZ, NV, OR want to take out the people of CA with their silly ways (just kidding folks), yet the Iraqi Shiite/Baath whateveryou call them, have just got it in for these Kurds and would actually eliminate them?

Is it a religious thing? Old standing hatred for one culture within a larger culture?

From what I gather, the Turks also are none too pleased to have Kurds in their midst. Or on their South. NO NEW NATIONS Please. Keep the Kurds in Iraq.

Is this about WMD, Democratic principles, taking out a Dictator with close ties to Islamic Fundamentalist known Terror cells, or oil economics? Or some of each, depending on your spin, geo-political leanings and/or what Daddy did (or didn't do)?

I'm only slightly confused. I am old enough to remember my Uncles going into SE Asia in '65 with the intent to stop those Commie bastiges from slaying innocent villagers, then as I grew a little older, being told other versions of what was called the TRUTH.

Saddam isn't a nice guy, he's a Dictator. Read Machiavelli. It sounds like S.H. has "The Prince" down cold. He surely wasn't originally voted into his position. And if what I heard was correct, he carried a 100% voter return the last election (who'd run against him? his dead son-in-law... or was it son?).

The UN will waffle. They're good at that. USSR (oops, I mean Russia, yeah thats it, Russia), China, France and Germany all want their solution to rule the roost.

sigh.

Bad guys... time to check your six.

Adios

MitchSchaft
March 1, 2003, 05:57 PM
Gas isn't a WMD as far as I can see.

Jim March
March 1, 2003, 07:18 PM
History lesson: there used to be a nation called "Kurdistan". It was split up by the British into southeastern Turkey and northwestern Iraq well before WW2. The Kurds want BOTH bits back to make their own nation out of. Turkey and Iraq are both 100% determined to keep their bits.

So much so that Turkey is determined to prevent the US and it's allies from taking part of Iraq and turning it into a "mini-Kurdistan" on the Turkish border; such a move would be guaranteed to result in cross-border raids and terrorism as Kurds on both sides of the border pressure Turkey into giving up it's chunk.

Turkey has good reason for such fear, as Turkey has treated the Kurds within it's border almost as badly as Saddam has his. Turkey banned the speaking, teaching or writing of the Kurd language, banned Kurdish political parties and generally brutally repressed the Turkish-Kurds.

After all that, plus what Saddam's done on his side of the border, the Kurds in turn are one TOUGH and pissed-off bunch...and they're wildly pro-US.

It's a REALLY bad situation.

Deadman
March 1, 2003, 07:19 PM
' Gas isn't a WMD as far as I can see. '


I'm sure that that distiction is of great importance to the Kurds. ;)

Standing Wolf
March 1, 2003, 09:10 PM
Hello, Jim!

Thanks for the perspective on the Kurds, eh?

Gary H
March 1, 2003, 09:18 PM
Kurds are in a bad spot. They probably worry more about Turkey than Saddam. After all, the U.S. will at least help them with Saddam, but what happens if Turkey starts to go astray?

Baba Louie
March 1, 2003, 09:32 PM
If the Kurds feel that way, and aren't too P.O.'d at GWB's dad for what he said and didn't then follow up on... send in the S.F. to train and equip them (gas masks at least) let them patrol and take care of their portion of the country w/ Brit/US air cover and to hades with old British Cartographers lines of demarcation and the Turks (after todays (Mar 1) announcement of no US Troops based or passing thru their soveriegn territory.

Takes care of the North half no-fly zone. Let that oil begin to flow with all proceeds going to the locals.

The southern end is still a sticky wicket unless Kuwait is really with the US. Not so much Iraq but Iran on the right (east) flank.
Provide massive aid to the inhabitants of the Southern no-fly zone as well with coalition troops and air cover. Let that oil begin to flow, with proceeds going to the locals.

Baghdad; I don't even want to think about. But it does have a river flowing thru it... hmmmmm. Maybe a simple isolation/blockade. (Like it'd be simple... right)

Where exactly are all the Iraqi oil fields? Have to look up the old CIA maps from the last gulf war.

Meanwhile there's still bin Laden and the A.Q. to deal with, upset Turks, mad as hen Islamic types on all sides and no real strong Iraqi leader to pull it all together and to force S.H. out.

Our track record of placing politicians (re: SE Asia) in other countries isn't so hot at times.

Oh yeah... and France. I forgot the french. (and the Russians, and China and even Germany). Tell them to go home, thank you very much. If you're not part of the solution, you're definitely part of the problem.

There, problem solved. (LOL) Gawd I wish it were that easy.

Adios

Malone LaVeigh
March 1, 2003, 09:37 PM
Hmmm...

We have here an unattributed claim by a British paper that unnamed "Iraqi officials have threatened..." And the Daily Telegraph has gone to a Kurdish village and interviewed some Kurds who seem to be scared. Great example of unbiased investigative journalism.

CZ-75
March 1, 2003, 09:51 PM
Certainly no worse than the "Guardian" articles certain folks here have used to support the assertion that there were no "terrorism schools" in N. Iraq. :rolleyes:

seeker_two
March 1, 2003, 11:49 PM
Thanks to our Special Forces troops training them, I'm sure that the Kurds will give the Iraqui army (& possibly the Turks at a later date) a warm & enthusiastic welcome...:evil:

P.S. Iraq was prohibited from having ANY chemical weapon or gas in 1991, so he just gave us another reason to crush him...

Jim March
March 2, 2003, 02:18 AM
Turkey has *already* gone overboard regarding Kurds. There are people in Turkish jails for the sole crime of speaking in favor of a Kurdish nation.

If the US supports a Kurd-controlled area of Iraq on the Turkish border, Turkey will probably withdraw from NATO.

4570Rick
March 2, 2003, 02:51 AM
I don't envy the decisions G 43 has to make, but gave up a 35 year friendship yesterday when friend refered to Dubya as Hitler. :(

MitchSchaft
March 2, 2003, 03:39 AM
I'm sure that that distiction is of great importance to the Kurds.

You are absolutely right:evil:

tyme
March 2, 2003, 05:44 AM
Saddam:
http://nuketesting.enviroweb.org/hew/Iraq/IraqAtoZ.html

Iraqi elections: vote for Saddam or your life/welfare as you know it is over.

Any questions?

BenW
March 2, 2003, 12:25 PM
Gas isn't a WMD as far as I can see.
I suggest a review of world history, circa WWI. ;)

Jim March
March 2, 2003, 12:38 PM
OK, it's off-topic but, regarding the link Tyme provided how many of you saw the title:

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Iraq's Nuclear Weapons Program

From Aflaq to Tammuz
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...and got an immediate visual of a white goose?

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