California - "Repeal AWB" petition


December 2, 2004, 03:03 PM

I'm not a big fan of online petitions... I don't believe they really accomplish anything, and I think they can be dangerous if people feel like they've "done something" by signing, figure they've "done their part", and then sit complacently. With that said, it can't hurt to sign if you keep that in mind, so... what the heck? :)

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December 2, 2004, 03:38 PM
I signed, we need to repeal that stupid drop safty test also.

December 2, 2004, 03:55 PM
The "drop test" law needs to be our A#1 priority. I'm emailing various manufacturers asking what they're going to do about the ever-increasing "safety requirements"... my guess is most will just stop selling in CA, as it will cost way too much to start a production line just for a gun-hating state, and nobody else in the country wants the "features" required here.

carp killer
December 2, 2004, 08:01 PM
Or the manufacturers could roll on their backs and piss all over themselves like Ruger does. Ruger Mark III :mad: Screw Kalistans drop test!

Standing Wolf
December 2, 2004, 08:07 PM guess is most will just stop selling in CA...

I have a hunch the big players are going to roll onto their backs and make messes just like Ruger.

December 3, 2004, 02:36 PM
What did Ruger do?

December 3, 2004, 03:23 PM
What did Ruger do?

They added an internal lock to the MKIII. It is a small hole just above the safety. The good news is the hole is really small, much smaller than the one in the sideplate of S&W revolvers. I _still_ wouldn't buy one if we were talking a self-defense gun but I can live with it for a .22.

The good news (that Ruger deserves credit for) is the new Blackhawks and Vaqueros which also have internal locks. If you are going to have a lock, this is the way to go! They put the lock at the bottom of the mainspring. So it is inside the grips. It works by restricting the travel of the spring. If it is locked it won't allow the hammer to go to full cock and therefore the gun won't fire since the transfer bar won't be fully raised. I FAR prefer this system to the S&W one since it is totally invisible to normal use. (And it stays totally away from the lockwork.) If you want to use it you can drill a small hole in the grips to access it. The rest of us can totally ignore it and actually have a gun that looks "whole" rather than having a hole right where the lockwork is.

I REALLY want one of those new Blackhawks in the formerly discontinued ".357" frame size. That 50th anniversary flat top is sweet, sweet, sweet. If only they would also make it in .44 Special. I already wrote the factory begging for it. In the meantime I'll pick one up in .357 when they become available.

And I like the looks of the new MK III 22/45. And I want a new Super Redhawk Alaskan in .454. And the M77 in Scout Rifle configuration. And the dual cylinder Single Six Hunter in 17 HMR and 17M2 is cool as well.


December 4, 2004, 07:01 AM
Sorry guys, but online petitions don't hold water, and nobody but those who want to sign them care about them. :(

The only way California's gun laws will go to the wayside is if the right politicians are replaced, and as long as California is the testbed for unconstitutional laws, that'll never happen. :barf:

If most of my relatives and close friends weren't in California, I'd have left long ago.

December 4, 2004, 07:07 AM
i heared the new drop test involves firing the gun out of a high velocity rail gun into a concrete wall. Not more that 5% of it's finish can show wear.

December 4, 2004, 10:38 AM
"Funny" aside on the Ruger Mk III: the loaded chamber indicator that uses the rim of the cartridge to push the indicator out. Yep, a protruding, hinged item pressed against the rim of a rimfire cartridge: I've read of one AD due to this defect. (surprisingly, this passed the drop test, which makes it about as effective as the "Global Test").


The most important thing to do in CA is to redistrict. Remember when the TX Democrat legislators fled the state? They fled because they saw the writing on the wall: what the Dems did in CA was being done unto them.

Follows is a reprinted article excerpt taken from the website of an organization I actively support:


In 2000 we learned that in a Presidential race every vote counts (thank you Florida), but what about State races? Is your vote as important when it comes to electing your state Representatives? According to George Skelton of the Los Angeles Times the answer to that question is simply NO. According to Skelton the odds that you live in a competitive district in California are as follows:

State Assembly 1:7

State Senate 1:13

US Congress 1:53

I don’t know about you, but these are not odds that I want to bet on.

So what is behind this lack of competition in California? Does everyone in California simply agree on who the best candidate is? Not hardly. What stacks the decks in the incumbents favor? Gerrymandering; the partisan redrawing of districts lines by the State Legislature.

December 4, 2004, 04:29 PM
the paper there not printed on

December 6, 2004, 03:26 PM
I really want that Drananuv stock for my sks! :cuss:

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