ARE THE LEFTIES REALLY THAT FULL OF HATE AND RAGE...


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Wildalaska
December 2, 2004, 06:13 PM
I mean here in the Anchorage Daily Worker they are always printing letters from readers that look like the insane rantings on DU...now mind ya that really isnt the sentiment up here and most people think a bit more logically...so I as you guys from down south....are the lefties really that loony? Does anyone really know one?


WildcuriousandfullofgasAlaska

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FNFiveSeven
December 2, 2004, 06:16 PM
Hey, I'm surrounded by them. They're everywhere. According to the local paper, 87% of the people I work with voted for Kerry. :barf: They're loonier than you can imagine...

Wildalaska
December 2, 2004, 06:22 PM
But like are they blatant about it or kind of hidden?...do they appear normal (like Ted Bundy) and then let the mask slip.....


WildgottogetoutmoreAlaska

charby
December 2, 2004, 06:30 PM
I have no clue, must be the bottled water they drink.

FNFiveSeven
December 2, 2004, 06:33 PM
Both. You've got your normal looking folks who secretly harbor a communist agenda (that's most of them) and then you've got the other... types. Like the people who blindfold themselves and stand still all day in public places to protest the election. Or the people who throw empty pairs of children's shoes on the ground to symbolize all the innocent kids killed by guns... and then there's the roving bands of sign weilding chanters spouting "Stop Bush Now"... and.... ugghhh.

iamkris
December 2, 2004, 06:37 PM
North of Chicago here...

The lefties here aren't Berkeley-looking hippies. Most of them here is suburbia are normal Dockers-wearing suburbanites. Your kids play together on a soccer team, you talk with them at school functions, drink a beer at a block party.

Have a conversation that steers toward politics or "inflamatory" issues (guns, etc) and they bare their true colors. They in general aren't a bunch af moonbats about it though.

Down in the city, though, that's something entirely different. Moonbat central. You can barely recognize these people as decendents of pioneer settlers...some kind of weird Europellet plastic replica of an American.

Swamprabbit
December 2, 2004, 06:37 PM
Being from the "south", I am surrounded by old time southern democrats. Most of them, obviously, have shifted their voting to Republicans but others still cling to the belief that Republicans are inherently evil and Democrats are the downtrodden saviours. Because of this, they feel that Republicans win only when they cheat. When Democrats cheat, well, they are the saviours for the end justifies the means. :scrutiny:

To answer your question, yes - there are some that are "out there". I just don't see as many of them as the media would have us believe though.

R.H. Lee
December 2, 2004, 06:37 PM
The folly of years of Ritalin and other drug over-medication in the general population are coming home to roost.

WildcuriousandfullofgasAlaska
Hang onto it. It's worth $2.36 a gallon here, and the price will probably go up. :p

13A
December 2, 2004, 06:41 PM
No. This cannot be. Leftists don't express hate and rage. Tolerance and acceptance is what they express. Didn't you get the memo?

Atticus
December 2, 2004, 06:47 PM
"...do they appear normal (like Ted Bundy) and then let the mask slip....."

After the pod breaks open...they can look like anyone. Beware.

I'm friends with one ( co-worker actually). My friend thinks CNN is right-wing and the Guardian and Al-Jazeera are fair and balanced. The very mention of Fox News makes his cheeks flush. Self hatred seems to color their politics and view of the world....(i.e., I'm white, well fed, have a good job, nice home, nice car, no HIV, good retirement plan, smarter than many....I'm miserable...I hate me.)

walking arsenal
December 2, 2004, 06:54 PM
"I have no clue, must be the bottled water they drink."

(eyes bottle of water suspiciously) :scrutiny:

(puts it down) :uhoh:

spacemanspiff
December 2, 2004, 06:56 PM
they really dont see their own hypocrisy.

the leftists rant on and on about how bad we rightwingers are and blast us for being bigoted, racist, intolerant, but they cant even tolerate us, nor the religious.

they can't hardly tolerate each other, whenever they encounter a fellow leftist that doesnt fit exactly into their cookiecutter mold they attack them as viciously as they attack us.

meanwhile, us sane rational nice people can get along with just about anyone. we can overcome the little things and not let stupid things like different views of politics come between us.

how many right wingers have you heard saying that they wont ever talk to their families again after the outcome of this election?
compare that to the leftists that are cutting off all ties to family friends and coworkers because of how they voted.

WA, did you drop your boycott of the ADN?

71Commander
December 2, 2004, 06:59 PM
Hey WildcuriousandfullofgasAlaska.

Speaking of the DU, did any of those loonies take you up on the group buy offer?
They'replaningtogotowarwiththerightwingers.

Wildalaska
December 2, 2004, 07:16 PM
WA, did you drop your boycott of the ADN?

SWMBO buys it on Fridays and Sundays...Fridays for the entertainment section and Sunday for the sales flyers....Japanese people are newspaper freaks anyway..


Speaking of the DU, did any of those loonies take you up on the group buy offer?

Naw that would involve spending money...cuts into the latte fund!!

WildsoylattenotammoAlaska.

JimP
December 2, 2004, 07:18 PM
Yes, they are all full of hate and rage. they suffer from serious mental defects. Not to be trusted and should always be monitored around polite society.

AF_INT1N0
December 2, 2004, 07:19 PM
For the most part yes. Some just hide it better than others. And yes we get all kinds in middle America. Most are like slinkys: Not really good for much but you just can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

Moparmike
December 2, 2004, 07:27 PM
Yup. Good ol' Fayettenam, AR here.



We have lots of the brainless ones, but few militant ones. Although I had to rescue someone from a Disciple of Tolerance and Diversity when said disciple decided that a Bush supporter's car needed to be vandalized with Kerry stickers after the election on election night, and then when called on it while performing the act, decided that the owner of the vehicle needed to have his head bounced off the concrete.

*sigh*

Sawdust
December 2, 2004, 07:44 PM
Yep, I know one...my stepmom.

It took everything that I had to keep my composure on Thanksgiving and not boot her out of my house when she started her frothing, spittle-accompanied rant regarding the defeat of Kerry and how Bush is the devil-incarnate.

Sigh...

Sawdust

CarlS
December 2, 2004, 08:05 PM
Atticus described it very well.

Preacherman
December 2, 2004, 08:06 PM
Yes, I meet them from time to time, and they don't like my views much... but it's good to be the Preacherman - I get to deliver the sermon, and they get to listen! :D

Jmurman
December 2, 2004, 08:21 PM
I work with a couple, they are REALLY that whacked out.

Ewok
December 2, 2004, 08:35 PM
Yep, my Mom is one. We were touring San Francisco a couple of weeks ago, and were looking at a Holocaust memorial. She said "Just like we're doing to those people in Iraq." I just shook my head and walked away. Then when she found out that Iris Chang, author of The Rape of Nanking, had committed suicide, she said "she must not have been able to deal with Bush's reelection."

Bruce H
December 2, 2004, 08:39 PM
How many of what some of us consider "wacked out" letters are printed because the paper editors laughed out loud and wanted to share? There are some out there just like there are some from the opposites side of the spectrum.

txgho1911
December 2, 2004, 09:06 PM
The ones who I know that are leftttttt.
They believe Bush is a puppet who stops his speach while Cheney is drinking from a water glass.
They have every lib talking point and believe it to be true. Not a few snippets here and there. If Jesse Jackson said it then its true. They will re-elect congressional reps who are dieing on their feet. PC and Afirmative action cause deadbeats or at least the darker minority team member in my dept from losing his job wich in fact is a labor creation for the rest of us.

Standing Wolf
December 2, 2004, 09:11 PM
ARE THE LEFTIES REALLY THAT FULL OF HATE AND RAGE...

Yes. They're the moral and intellectual direct descendents of the people who elected—that's right: elected—Adolf Hitler.

Art Eatman
December 2, 2004, 09:12 PM
Kerry folks around south Jawgia are singing pretty small. As I wander around town, if/when the election is mentioned, I mostly hear that Bush might not be wonderful, but Kerry's an idiot.

Art

victory
December 2, 2004, 09:24 PM
Are lefties full of rage? Of course we are, you bastard. No one makes holsters for us, all the controls are on the wrong side....

seriously, here's my take http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=113954

Fletchette
December 3, 2004, 12:13 AM
Are lefties full of rage? Of course we are, you bastard. No one makes holsters for us, all the controls are on the wrong side....
:p

I have tried despirately to maintain some sort of relationship with a few liberals. If I can get them calmed down (the hate and rage part) and talk through a specific issue, one of two things emerge.

a) they are completely uneducated about the issue (example: not even aware of the Second Amendment)

or

b) have fundamentally different core beliefs (example: people do not have unalienable rights).

The latter scares me.

ceetee
December 3, 2004, 12:27 AM
I think people who ask questions like this tend to generalize and over-simplify things way too much. I've had plenty of disagreements with people from the right and left both, but only the Republicans ever got nasty about it.

For example, the Democrats would just shake their heads, wondering how I could be so wrong-headed, while the Republicans called me every name in the book, from fatherless offspring, to traitor and terrorist. Maybe I just rankle the Republicans more or something... I do believe I've lost a good friend (Republican) over this last election, too. She just couldn't accept that I may have a different opinion than she does.

Something else, too... the Republicans lay out their arguments, then after you've pointed out all the weak points, they start in with the name-calling, and fist-shaking. Then they blame everything on Clinton. The Democrats just shake their heads sadly...

Geech
December 3, 2004, 12:48 AM
I think people who ask questions like this tend to generalize and over-simplify things way too much.

This strikes me as an odd segue into the body of your post, but maybe you were trying to be ironic.

one45auto
December 3, 2004, 12:53 AM
Yes, quite frankly they are.

I have only one friend on the other side, an older woman who is probably the last true hippie in existence. While she doesn't agree with either my political views or hobby, she doesn't look down on me because of them. I suppose you could say that we've "agreed to disagree." As a matter of fact, the last time I recall the subject of politics being raised was shortly before the election, when she politely asked if there were anything she could do to convince me not to vote for Bush. I merely smiled, said no, and that was the end of that. She knows I voted for Bush and I know she voted for Kerry, but we're still friends. :)

Aside from her friendship, I have no taste whatsoever for the company of the left. I've been around some rabid socialists of the DU variety and it's a stressful environment to say the least. Whenever they start speaking of violence and armed revolt I'm tempted to openly quote Han Solo ~ "Bring it on, I'd prefer a stand-up fight to all this sneaking around."

ProactiveReactionary
December 3, 2004, 12:56 AM
my grandfather is one. we dont discuss politics, EVER. its an unwritten rule we have.

he's anti bush, he's anti gun, yet is pro religion even though 90% of his life he's lived as an atheist. so we dont discuss issues or topics that generally lead to arguing, its not worth it and he knows it. life is too short to argue with family over politics. although my mom LOVES to go on a tear about something everyone once and a while and its annoying as hell, not because of her opinion but because she insist on talking and talking and talking refuses to shut up.

i take this a step further by simply not discussing certain subjects with people i'm close to. no politics, no religion, no guns. unless you really enjoy fighting and arguing i see little point in talking about these things with people, especially if you now they wont agree with you.

i'll say SOME people on the left are full of rage hatred anger and lots of negative feelings and thoughts about bush republicans and conservative people in general. I think its a vocal minority or maybe they just have the balls to stand up and act like soccer hooligans after their team lost a soccer match. maybe what they say is silently echoed by others on the left, i dont know. but i do know that some people on boards i've been on the past year had people from the left screaming yelling and spewing all kinds of conspriacy theories, up to and including one that was considered "common knowledge" on one board that stated bush was going to declare martial law right before the election and crown himself dictator. since nothing of the sort came close to happening, i sat back and laughed at these people who said this and they were SERIOUS. they really felt bush was going to suspend all elections in order to stay in office. i think some were under the impression that anger hostility and telling others "how it is" was going to win kerry the election. there was a lot of immature behavior on both sides but certain people on the left came off as rabid dogs. screaming at people, telling them how stupid they are and insulting them isnt going to win an election, the moore's of the world are NOT going to help, they are going to hurt.

there are some loonies on the right, they seem worse but are few and far between, as though they are making up for others on the right who are civilized.

i avoid them all for the most part. i might comment on things but i try to leave it to one or two comments in a thread. i'm not interested in actually arguing with people, i just wanna put my two cents out there for others to read and maybe consider if they have an open mind. i only talk to people who try to keep it civil and rational. insulting and name calling isnt going to get very far with me.

victory
December 3, 2004, 01:01 AM
nearly all of my friends are left leaning or democrats. That being said, none of them are anti-gun. In fact, some of them are very pro gun.

I think the gun issue has more to do with intelligence, common-sence and critical-thinking than it does political philosophy. I see nothing in liberal political philosiphy that would be against private ownership of firearms. If anything a real liberal would be more pro gun than a conservative. It's just crazy that it's the other way around in american politics. No even marxism is at odds with firearm ownership, it's the dictators that pervert it that are at odds.

The only reason to control arms is to control people, and all of my liberal friends understand that.

Gendoki
December 3, 2004, 01:34 AM
Being a colledge student i have lefty views fed to me everyday in class even. Everything tell tell me must be true and cant be twisted at all can it? Why just today my teacher thought it was important to share with the class some informations. It was a good converstation.

Teacher: "One of my students in another class has a friend at the draft offices and they were told to gear up today. I thought you should know since school no longer keeps you out of the draft."

me: "dont they have to vote on a draft first?"

Teacher: "its and emergancy power of the president you should blame the republicans for this."

me: "Doesnt congress have to declare a state of emergancy before the president has those powers?"

Teacher: "stop asking question we have class here ya know."

so in my opion these people know what they are talking about and wont mislead anyone and are never made to look like fools.

raz-0
December 3, 2004, 02:43 AM
Well I live in NJ and work at a univeristy. There are lefties all over the place. Some of them are sane, but most I run into are definitely not sane. However, the vast majority also arent the flaming rabid types you find hiding behind the anonymity of the internet. I think, despite it's fall out of fashion, that the risk of getting punched in the face keeps them from acting so stupid.

For the most part they are overly emotional and under rational. THey have just enough knowledge to start an argument, but with little exception, not enough to have an informed argument on the subject. Lots of magical thinking, lots of fear, and lots of idealistic myopia. Oh, and a HUGE sense of entitlement along with a healthy dose of externalizing responsibility.

I think the thing that sums it up is that the phrase "if you are going to bring facts into it, we can't have this discussion," or some variation of that, comes up regularly from many people. If you break out the socratic method, anything like, "well can you explain how X helps," gets you a rapid "well that doesn't matter."

joe sixpack
December 3, 2004, 02:49 AM
Growing up in the sixties and seventies as a child of decidely liberal parents I can tell you that the "indoctrination" I underwent I am still trying to undo.
The problem is sorting out truth from the fabrications.

Later in reminiscing my teenage years I realized that something might be awry in my upbringing in that I considered becoming a coke dealer a plausible career choice.

cheers, js

tcdrennen
December 3, 2004, 03:26 AM
I know a couple of frothing blissninnies, even here in Orange County, Kalifornistan.

A history professor at the local community college who went spitting mad over the outpouring of affection and grief when Reagan died - ranted for 15 minutes in the class about how Reagan and Bush were personally responsible for every murder, rape and injustice in all of Central and South America; stated as a fact that ALL wars since the 16th century have been caused by White Europeans intent on genocide, enslavement and exploitation; etc.

Then there's my youngest brother; a "liberation theology" type Catholic who was so angry and depressed about the election that the rest of the family was seriously worried what he might do.

He's a highly intelligent, well educated man, but has no interest in logical deductive reasoning or cogent argument. Last week we had a very useful discussion about mathematics, for instance: he stated that he had never really understood algebra, faking his way through it in HS, and had never felt a need for scientific rigor or mathematical understanding.

He is working on a second Master's, this time in Psychology, and plans to go into Family Therapy. He'll be good at it, as he is VERY empathetic toward people's feelings, etc. But he accepts (and restates) what he is taught by the "authorities" and sees no reason to investigate or check conclusions - they must be correct if someone with enough prestige says so, right?

It was very revealing to finally understand why he has never wanted to actually discuss his political/philosophical positions and argue for them - or listen to arguments and reasoning against them; he also hates reading, whereas I usually have at least three books in progress simultaneously, on history, politics, fiction, whatever.

His positions and politics are matters of faith and emotion and I think he is much like many leftist/statist/progressives; it also explains their fear of "right wing religious" groups. They genuinely believe that those who disagree with them must be doing so from either heresy or evil, since they KNOW that THEY are on the side of Truth and Good.

Art Eatman
December 3, 2004, 09:06 AM
Think of someone you know with an extremely strong religious belief. Then, consider his behavior if you strongly disagree with his particular view. (The views aren't important; just the behavior.)

Okay. Consider what's been talked about here in earlier posts, as to behavior. I've always said that the Left, the Statists, behave as though their beliefs are religious in nature. Socialism, Marxism, whatever: It's commonly their own substitute for religion. Not all, of course, but many.

So, when the real world intrudes on a strongly-held but mistaken belief system, there is this strong emotional reaction. Their religion has been denigrated! Horrors!

I see it as most obvious when the subject is business, economics and money. Evil corporations, evil profit, share-the-wealth ideas, taxation...When you point out how their ideas have failed when put into practice, you commonly induce rage instead of their trying to think things through in order to gain understanding.

Art

0007
December 3, 2004, 09:55 AM
Simple answer to that question is another question.
Has anyone here EVER heard of a website named "Republican Underground"? Yes, a lot of them are that nasty and hateful, but that is mostly a result of being unable to defend any position they hold with much more then a "I'm right and you're wrong and I don't care what the facts are - nyah, nyah, nyah". Nobody likes to have their flaming ignorance pushed in their face, especially by all those ignorant Red-Staters. :neener: :D :neener:

Erich
December 3, 2004, 10:14 AM
Judging from the emails I've been getting from left-wing friends and relatives, they're out to lunch. Some of those things should spur a visit from the FBI . . . . :rolleyes:

The flakes I work with in Santa Flake are pretty upset, still, but they're dealing with it. The perennially dissatisfied. :neener:

SteveS
December 3, 2004, 01:14 PM
I would have to say that some are. I wouldn't necessarily look to the letters to the editor as being representative. My local paper, the Lansing State Journal, likes to print some real winners. OTOH, most of the lefties that I know well are able to discuss the election, and most other political topics, without losing it.

det.pat
December 3, 2004, 01:32 PM
i see them constantly. we live in pgh pa, and my wife works at CMU. geek central. it was amusing to watch the limousine liberals try to herd the college commies around during the final days of the election. pgh is like university hell, the pretentious kiddies are everywhere and always crying about something trendy.

the most amusing are my friends who are gun owners, and duquesne university grads [lawyers] who are anti bush. i'm not sure why? but they are really scizophrenic. love their guns but have to vote demo to satisfy their college liberal self image.
:confused:
pat

tulsamal
December 3, 2004, 01:44 PM
For the most part they are overly emotional and under rational. THey have just enough knowledge to start an argument, but with little exception, not enough to have an informed argument on the subject.

That's EXACTLY what bothers me about so many of the "Bush is the devil" types. I'm married and my wife voted for Kerry. My Mom and both sisters voted for Kerry. I'm the only one in the family with a Master's degree. (And in PolSc on top of that!) I taught American Government at OU in Norman. I taught American Government and American History at RSC in Claremore. But the Kerry voters in the family somehow act like "he's the stupid one that just doesn't know what's REALLY going on" when it comes to any political discussion. I LOVE having political debates when everybody is bringing out real facts AND when everybody promises not to get mad. But you can just start to carefully lay out the long term strategy that makes the Iraqi war in the US's best interests and they just go INSANE! "Spraying spittle" is about the only way to describe it.

I still talk to my wife, my mom and one sister. The other sister called ME on MY birthday and within 2 minutes was RANTING about how "all these stupid religious brainwashed people elected Bush!" I didn't even mention politics! I hung up on her and haven't spoken to her since. What's the point, she would do it again in a second. And she's EASILY the person who did the worst in college. But she knows what's REALLY going on.

Gregg

geekWithA.45
December 3, 2004, 04:32 PM
When I became more outspoken with my beliefs, my leftIST (not leftY, dangit, that means southpaw!) associates sorted themselves out into those who are frothing in the mouth, embarrassingly passive resistant, and those who would prefer to believe that I had taken leave of my senses, rather than confront the notion that I had arrived at my conclusions by embracing sanity, rather than rejecting it.

Yes....it's much easier to write off the geek as insane, deluded, caught up in the right wing propaganda than take a good hard look at their own irrational beliefs. It's really sad, I've even had one friend basically plead with me to let him off the hook.

On the whole, most of them are simply...aghast.

BigG
December 3, 2004, 04:53 PM
I have a guy who I keep in touch with that lives in SF. He informs me of dark conspiracies that date back to WWII that Bush is fulfilling. :uhoh: WWIII, Armageddon, Neocons, economic disasters, etc., of biblical proportions. :eek: I wish I could have some of you politically savvy guys examine his arguments as he tries to name mid-level administration names, economics professors, etc, as participants in the conspiracy. I dismiss him as a lunatic, but you never know. :uhoh:

jlwatts3
December 3, 2004, 05:16 PM
Having recently graduated from UC Berkeley with a BA in Political Science I consider myself an expert on the behavior of the lefties. I secretly infiltrated their headquarters and conducted observation and reconnaissance for 4 long years. Now I could sit here and type for hours about this but I will try to keep it short and sweet. YES, many of them are that full of hate and rage. I witnessed entire city blocks with every SUV vandalized. I saw cars with "W '04" stickers with every window shattered. I was forced to sit through hours of the hate filled leftist propaganda that passes as education.

I don't think that all of the lefties are like this or that they were always this way. i just think that as the rational ones begin to see the errors of their ways ;) and switch affiliations you are left with the loony tunes. And these nut jobs are particularly pissed off as they realize they are on the losing side.

Just my 2 cents

mack69
December 3, 2004, 05:27 PM
Being an Illinoisan...though not living in chicago (near 40 miles northwest) most of this darned state is that way. Out in the burbs it's the yuppies and as previously said though not rabid..in deep conversation the true colors show....What freaks me out is these people actually believe that it is the police departments obligation to protect us from the bad guys....How unrealistic is that?? Unless you have an LEO live in, that is just not gonna happen. There are too many civilians for any police department anywhere to protect us all 24/7. I had an incident a few weeks back. One Monday evening (before Monday Night Football) I was carrying one of my SKS's and 3 handguns (1911, GP141, Beretta 92) to the garage to clean em up after a Sunday at the range. (It's ok....I went with Pastor Skip Church) :p ...Anyway, a couple of the neighbors from down the road rang the bell as I was goin down the stairs to the garage so I opened the door a bit to see what was up....(They were trolling for Democrats....) I told them I couldn't sign anything or take any info cause my hands were full then I opened the door fully.
Their eyeballs went as big a dinner plates when they saw what I was carrying. Each mumbled something then the scurried off nearly trippin over each other. I couldn't figure what was wrong till I caught myself in the mirror of the family room bath on the way to the garage. Did look pretty heavy.... :neener: still laughin bout that....All the while in the garage I was thinkin I was gonna be hearing the bell ringin and it bein the local LEO.... :scrutiny: Didn't happen....I don't advertise the fact that I am a gun owner/collecter or shooter. Most folk wouldn't guess it unless the smell the range on me or my gun oil cologne....But don't get me started on gun rights, 2A, gun crime etc...It'll get ugly....and loud...

dustind
December 3, 2004, 06:37 PM
I think the thing that sums it up is that the phrase "if you are going to bring facts into it, we can't have this discussion," That happened to a group of gun owners at the Minneapolis MMM meeting. An older lady came to the meeting and after a short debate about AWs, and hunting, and defining what is an AW, she said "If you are going to talk facts, I am going to leave." Then she left the table and another anti gun lady came and they sat down away from us six or so pro gun people.

71Commander
December 3, 2004, 06:42 PM
I quit the MMM'ers today. They couldn't get enough people (6) in my area (4+million) to have a meeting. :p

I never went. I was spying. :what:

GunnySkox
December 3, 2004, 08:40 PM
Has anyone here EVER heard of a website named "Republican Underground"?

Close!

www.conservativeunderground.com

^_^

~Slam_Fire

Wildalaska
December 4, 2004, 03:49 AM
Theres that one guy on DU...Mr Buckley is it...is he a real person....seems sort of psycho to me

WildineedtostudyaleftyAlaska

Moparmike
December 4, 2004, 04:38 AM
Theres that one guy on DU...Mr Buckley is it...is he a real person....seems sort of psycho to meClose, Mr. Benchley. I don't know why they haven't banned him, he wontonly(sp?) violates their COC. And I wouldn't suggest studying him in particular, unless you like ulcers, migranes, and anyeurisms.


May I suggest KirkVining over on www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum ? He finally came to grips with his extreme liberalism and has DU in his signature, but he isnt quite as bad as Benchley. Arguing with him is like arguing with a wall though. And Editorials are held in high reguard with him, only interchanged with facts...

SilentScream
December 4, 2004, 04:41 AM
My ex-girlfriends brother and roomate are flaming leftists, but the thing that distrubed me most was the statement her brother's roomate set forth at dinner one night when the topic of me carrying 24/7.
he said that if he were being robbed at gun or knife point, or any other point for that matter, would "talk it out with the person" well needless to say i fell out of my chair with disbelief.
I have been in 2 situations were a gun saved my behind (both robbery attempts 1 was an armed robbery atempt), neither of these two genius's has ever been held up or physically threatened, but both have been burgalrized in the past, ant neither of them would lift a finger to protect themselves or their property from a would be scumbag, they both chalk it up to "well they must want it more than i do".
Truly Sad.

-Jesse

boltaction
December 4, 2004, 07:53 AM
Color me lucky. I live in a blue state (MD), and most of my close family lives in blue states (NY, NJ). To make matters worse, I work at a university (lets see, on the red - blue spectrum, that's, ah, ultraviolet).

For further reference, I live in a county that will not let a law abiding business sell hard liquor. That's right, they even call it "liquor control". Color me dark royal blue.

I think I qualify to answer the question raised in this thread.

As I described recently on my weblog, I am looked at like I am an idiot because I am not a "Liberal" (of course, being a (l)ibertarian, I think of myself as a liberal, just not their kind). When discussions even brush up against issues of politics, I am sneered at, or ridiculed. Whereas others can spout off any political leftwing baloney they wish, and not be challenged, I am asked for a detailed thesis to back up any non-leftist point of view. The other day, someone who is a "blue-stater" at heart (from here on in, simply a "BS-er") deigned to ask me about (shudder) a topic that bordered on...sshhh... g-u-n-s, she literally put her nose in the air, and put a look of utter disgust on her face as she asked me where I would be going hunting.

Look, the BS-ers are spittin' mad. According to the ones I "get talked to by" It's not the failure of the Democratic party, or failure of their leftist message; rather, Bush won because the red staters are ignorant, and were duped by Karl Rove.

I'll end on a personal note: either my sanity or intelligence is questioned by the BS-ers when the discussion turns to politics. In the end, what most BS-ers really want from me is an explanation for my stupidity, not an explanation of my point of view (Is it Fox News?) . Either that, or they just treat me like a second class citizen. In fact, I am starting to get paranoid: sometimes, as I enter a room, dicussions...just...stop. The office Christmas Party is coming up on Wednesday. Think I'll go to the range.

Boltaction

To read some of the actual comments made to me over Thanksgiving turkey, rendered as a fictional account, go to:
http://www.individ.us/2004/11/still-dumb-again.html
http://www.individ.us

wolf
December 4, 2004, 02:23 PM
http://www.partialobserver.com/ArticleDisplay.cfm?ArticleID=1235

living in cuckoo land..this says more than you could ever imagine...now this is true..this is from the same folks that tried to pass a law: you cant get any closer than 10ft to the strippers (meaning..you cant put a tip in her g-string)

but things aint that crazy yet...that ban failed...talk about thinking out side the box....sorry...could not resist <wolfgrin>

wolf

71Commander
December 4, 2004, 04:32 PM
Close, Mr. Benchley. I don't know why they haven't banned him, he wontonly(sp?) violates their COC. And I wouldn't suggest studying him in particular, unless you like ulcers, migranes, and anyeurisms.

He's a real pant load ( :D ), ain't he?

The_Antibubba
December 5, 2004, 05:21 PM
1. A teenage girl raped and impregnated by her father should not be allowed to have an abortion?

2. Creation Science is just as valid as evolution?

The Left isn't the only place where lunacy rages. Ralph Reed scares the crap out of me. And couching his extremist and irrational beliefs in "the benevolent love of Christ" doesn't mask it.

Four years of evangelical fingers in government. Even if you are a christian, that should frighten you.

beerslurpy
December 5, 2004, 05:42 PM
Having seen the magnificent competence and fairness of governments in providing health care, law enforcement and tax collection, I am not eager to see them get involved in anything to do with morality or religion. If anything, they need to be less involved in these matters than they already are.

ravinraven
December 5, 2004, 09:01 PM
Yep. We've got a load of loonies. But if it hadn't been for abortion, we'd have 50 million more of these bass-tids running around.

rr

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