Kerik & Homeland Security


December 3, 2004, 10:35 AM
Coming from an anti gun state like N.Y. What is his stand on the 2nd amendment????

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Nathaniel Firethorn
December 4, 2004, 05:11 AM
Dunno. But I did happen to just read a book by his former partner, Jerry Speziale, detailing the days when they were both in "Group 93" attached to the DEA and successfully infiltrating the Cali cocaine cartel. According to Speziale, Kerik is a first-rate cop and no BS.

BTW, the book is Without A Badge: Undercover in the World's Deadliest Criminal Organization. ( Very good read.

- pdmoderator

December 4, 2004, 09:35 AM
Like Bush and all his appointees, I'm waiting for the rest of the story to come out before I assume anything other than a neutral stance.

December 4, 2004, 10:38 AM
He might have been a first rated LEO but that is a long way from him feeling that us other mutts have a right to Keep And Bear Arms. How many LEOs way up in the rank came out in favor of renewing the AWB for us mutts?? To me that isn't a good person if he thinks like that to head homeland security. Remember he can always say now we have passed 218 so with all the LEOs and retired LEOs being able to carry anywhere it is time to get the guns out of the hands of the rest of the Americans. Wouldn't the head of homeland security have the job of sugesting to the prez and the houses what he feels would make us safer? Coming from NY don't you think the odds are this is how his mind would work with all us Non LEOs?? Remember to get the job he had to be the head of the NYPD he had to play ball with the politicians in NY or he would have never got the job as head of the PD

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
December 4, 2004, 01:44 PM
Look for the new DHS nominee Kerik to propose a renewed and strentgthened AWB, national .50cal rifle ban, plus DHS and BATFE authority to halt all gun sales (as simple as pulling the plug on the NCIC servers) during times of emergency.

December 4, 2004, 02:15 PM
Actually, Kerik was born in Paterson NJ in 1956. He was the son of a prostitute. She was later murdered. He dropped out of high school in Paterson and joined the Army. He served in Korea where he fathered an illegitimate Korean-American child, who he later abandoned. After an honorable discharge he returned to New Jersey and got a job as a guard in the Passaic County Jail. He later moved to NYC and joined the NYPD and became a bodyguard for a federal prosecutor by the name of Rudy Giuliani. When Giuliani became NYC mayor, Kerik transferred to the NYC Corrections Dept (Rikers Island). He became Corrections commissioner and then returned to NYPD, eventually becoming NYPD commissioner. He was censured for using NYPD officers to carry out personal duties.

Correction: he was born in Newark, NJ and later moved to Paterson, NJ.

Addendum: even though he fathered the Korean girl in the mid 1970's, as of 2001 when he was NYPD PC he still didn't check to see what happened to her. Now that's the true measure of the man.

December 4, 2004, 02:52 PM

Nathaniel Firethorn
December 4, 2004, 04:46 PM
I haven't found where Kerik has taken a position one way or another on gun control.

He carries himself. Reported in the press that he said, "It's my right as a retired cop." Read into that what you will.

- pdmoderator

December 4, 2004, 06:00 PM
Also, I heard he helped to author the Patriot Act. All around great guy. :rolleyes:

December 4, 2004, 06:07 PM
Look for the new DHS nominee Kerik to propose a renewed and strentgthened AWB, national .50cal rifle ban, plus DHS and BATFE authority to halt all gun sales (as simple as pulling the plug on the NCIC servers) during times of emergency.

And your basis for that is?


Standing Wolf
December 4, 2004, 07:38 PM
He served in Korea where he fathered an illegitimate Korean-American child, who he later abandoned.

If that's true, I'd have to say he's the lowest of the low.

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
December 4, 2004, 07:51 PM
And your basis for that is?

Just my opinion based on where the guy is from, the school of fish he swims with: Guliani, Pataki, Schumer.

Has there been a NYPD Chief or Commissioner in the past 100 years who was pro-RKBA?

December 4, 2004, 09:26 PM
Nobody noticed the statement in the CNN commentary after Bush's speech nominating Kerik, that Charles Schumer likes the choice of Kerik. That would be enough to make me back off and take another hard look.
Schumer might be looking for ways to sneak in some gun controls under the guise of 'national security'. Anyone remember the attempted amendment to halt gun sales whenever the alert level was yellow or above?

R.H. Lee
December 4, 2004, 09:37 PM
Anyone remember the attempted amendment to halt gun sales whenever the alert level was yellow or above? I wonder under what authority they might do that. Sounds like 'restraint of trade' or somesuch that might be a violation of federal law, no?

December 5, 2004, 12:19 AM
The news down here tonight had a segment on him. Worked for an SO after leaving the army. They even showed stock footage of him shooting his 1911.

December 5, 2004, 12:35 AM
Nominated isn't frocked... there's the senate yet. Let's watch for those falling in line. Meanwhile, maybe Larry Craig would have some input. Can you Idahoans check this out?

And where is the NRA on this?


Cool Hand Luke 22:36
December 5, 2004, 01:09 AM
Archives of the Mayor's Press Office
Date: Wednesday, August 1, 2001 Release #268-01

Contact: Sunny Mindel / Matthew Higgins
(212) 788-2958 View Mayor's
Tom Antenen (DCPI) (212) 374-6700 Press Conference


City Has Seized Almost 90,000 Guns Since 1994

Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and Police Commissioner Bernard B. Kerik today announced that more than 3,000 guns taken off New York City streets will soon be turned into scrap metal. The New York Police Department recovered the guns over the last several months through a number of channels and the total includes guns that were used in the commission of crimes. The guns will be transported to an undisclosed location, where they will be smelted and the metal recycled. NYPD personnel will monitor every aspect of the entire process, until every gun has been destroyed.

"The Police Department's dramatic success in reducing crime is due in large part to its corresponding success in removing guns from City streets," the Mayor said. "More than 90,000 guns have been seized since 1994, and shootings have plummeted more than 74 percent. The NYPD's gun seizure success is also reflected in the murder rate, which has plummeted 65 percent since 1994, and is down another 11 percent this year over last year. The NYPD has also ensured that thousands of guns can never be used to commit a crime by destroying them and putting the metal to good use. Now, another 3,000 guns have been taken out of circulation -- permanently."

Police Commissioner Kerik said, "The destruction of these firearms is a very tangible reminder of the intensive efforts undertaken by the NYPD and the City to remove guns from our streets. Every gun taken out of circulation is one less gun that can be used to shoot an innocent citizen, gun down a hero cop, or carelessly end up in the hands of a child."

Including the guns to be destroyed following today's announcement, more than 7,371 guns will have been smelted this year to date. In 2000, the Police Department sent 8,278 guns to be smelted and turned into scrap metal.

Cool Hand Luke 22:36
December 5, 2004, 01:22 AM
Kerik was happy to carry on with payments to encourage people to turn in their gun-owning neighbors.

Text of Actual Government Memo

A.P.S. BULLETIN # 001 JANUARY 12, 2001


1. As part of our Department's Policing NYC:2001 strategy, "Operation Gun Stop" has been created whereby members of the public will be encouraged to participate in our effort to combat illegal sale and/or possession of handguns. Under this program, private citizens will be able to anonymously provide this Department with information regarding individuals or locations involved with illegal handguns. Individuals who provide information that leads to an arrest for such sale/possession will be eligible for a cash reward of $500. Auxiliary police officers while performing patrol and community activities are in a key position to convey this invaluable information to private citizens in their community and accordingly have been requested to assist in this endeavor.

2. Auxiliary police officers have been requested by both the Chief of the Department and Chief of Patrol to participate in disseminating information to the general public regarding "Operation Gun Stop". To begin, auxiliary police coordinators are to immediately confer with their Commanding Officer and or Executive Officer for instruction relative to their individual command's strategy for utilization of auxiliary police officers in distribution and dissemination of information to the public. In order to promote the GUN STOP initiative, auxiliary police coordinators shall then be responsible to ensure that their auxiliary police personnel are informed of and distribute informational material (flyers, posters, and cards). Refer to instructions as per CHIEF OF DEPARTMENT MEMO #1, Subject: Operation Gun Stop, cs 01-12-01.

3. All commands will receive "Operation Gun Stop" informational materials which include 3 1/2" x 4 1/2 "cards, 8 1/2 x 11" flyers, and 11" x 17" posters. All auxiliary police coordinators shall acquire these materials from their command and or the borough auxiliary police coordinator for distribution by auxiliary police personnel. Members of the Auxiliary Police Program should take advantage of any contact(s) with the public, to make citizens aware of "Operation Gun Stop". Auxiliary police officers may distribute these materials to the public while on patrol and or at special events and details, recruitment drives, street fairs, and community meetings, etc.

4. All auxiliary police coordinators and auxiliary police commanding officers shall make "Operation Gun Stop" strategy their priority and ensure that all auxiliary police assigned are familiar with it's goals and are actively participating.

5. For your information and compliance. Angelo J. Maroulis Captain cc: Chief of Department Chief of Patrol A.P.S. BULLETIN # 001 JANUARY 12, 2001

captain obvious
December 5, 2004, 03:09 AM
My take on this fellow (in spite of what his background may be) is the same as for any republican from NYC:

ALWAYS be wary of "Republicans" or "conservatives" from New York City. The fact that he was invovled with the NYPD does not help my gut feeling, either.

December 5, 2004, 04:01 AM
. . . . .this just in from Noo Yark,0,1568495,print.column?coll=ny-news-columnists

Kerik nomination is a ticking time bomb
Ellis Henican

December 3, 2004

Campaign bodyguard to Rudy Giuliani.

Errand boy for the Saudi royal family.

Energetic exploiter of Sept. 11th tragedy.

Tough-talking publicity-hound vowing to bring law and order to Iraq - then hightailing it out of there after a disastrous 14 weeks, leaving the place far less safe than he found it.

Oh, the bullet points on Bernie Kerik's real-life resume just go on and on. But is this really the guy we want standing between us and the terrorists?

George W. Bush apparently thinks so.

White House sources were saying last night that Kerik, the scandal-scarred former commissioner of the New York Correction and Police departments, will be named today to take Tom Ridge's job as head of homeland security.

For now, let's give the Bush folks the benefit of the doubt: Maybe they've been wowed by Kerik's shameless swing-state Kerry-bashing in Bush's behalf. ("I fear another attack, and I fear that attack with ... Senator Kerry being in office responding to it.")

Maybe they've been bullied by Giuliani's bulldog lobbying for a loyal business buddy and after-hours pal. ("OK, Karl," you can almost hear Rudy say, "I won't be attorney general, but you gotta take Bernie at homeland security!")

Or maybe it's just that the FBI background check isn't back from the field.

Whatever the reason, the White House personnel office really ought to ask some probing questions around New York. You can bet they'll get an earful of heads-up about this hard-charging, thick-necked, shaved-head lightweight.

Let this be a warning from someone who's followed the man's ladder-climbing career: He's a personal and professional time bomb the Bushies will learn to regret. Don't say I didn't warn you, guys!

That's certainly the message that smart law-enforcement professionals in New York were exchanging yesterday, as they shook their heads in disbelief at Kerik's latest career goal.

"He couldn't run the Rikers commissary without getting greedy and making a mess, in a jam," one correction veteran said. "Now he's gonna be in charge of the Department of Homeland Security? Let's just hope the terrorists don't decide to come back."

This former subordinate was referring to just one of many petty scandals that have hung over Kerik's career. When he ran Correction, nearly $1 million of tobacco-company rebates were diverted into an obscure foundation Kerik was president of. This was for cigarettes bought with taxpayer money and then sold at inflated prices to jail inmates. But this rebate money - would kickbacks be a better word? - got spent entirely outside the normal rules for public funds.

No one was criminally charged. But a whole rash of IRS rules were seemingly violated. One board member quit in protest when the foundation treasurer refused to provide him with financial reports. And no one has ever explained where all the money went.

It was a typical Kerik deal. He behaved from start to finish like normal rules didn't apply to him.

It isn't possible in so little space to give an adequate tour of the man's rise from Jersey high-school dropout to prospective anti-terror boss.

As a public service, however, let me suggest a few ripe areas of personal inquiry that someone in Washington might like to pursue.

Along the way, don't lose sight of this: The homeland security chief stands between Osama bin Laden and our good-night sleep.

Why did he pull out of Iraq so suddenly? Does he think he did a pretty good job teaching the Baghdad police how to keep order and how to behave in "a free and democratic society," to use his words at the time?

Was Sept. 11th Commission member John Lehman on to something when he called Kerik's leadership after the terror attack "scandalous" and "not worthy of the Boy Scouts."

What exactly does he do at Giuliani Partners? How's that anti-crime campaign in Mexico City going? What companies and foreign governments are on his client list?

Why did Kerik send a New York City homicide detective to rouse TV hair and makeup artists in the middle of the night when his book publisher (and workout-partner) lost her cell phone?

What new job does he have in mind for John Picciano, his perennial chief of staff? Could Picciano really pass a federal background check? What about the complaint (later dropped) that he'd beaten up his correction-officer girlfriend and waved his gun around?

There are answers for all of it, I am sure. Answers to these few questions and many racier ones.

Over the weeks to come, Kerik will have a chance to answer all of them.

I, for one, am waiting.

So are a lot of people who've gotten to know the man in New York.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.

Standing Wolf
December 5, 2004, 08:32 PM
Smells worse and worse.

December 5, 2004, 08:41 PM
I didn't jump up and down, or do flips while rah-rah-ing when it first popped. Somehow I believe there are better people to chose from... even before these stories started coming out.

Maybe we best prepare a senate invitation to SUPER consider this fellow - in case we need to voice our concern quickly.

I haven't been to NRA/GOA or others to get a feel of what's cooking. Any input??


December 5, 2004, 10:36 PM
I like Kerik for the new spot. He's been out there on the pointy end, isn't some bureaucratic lawyer. I've read his book a couple times,and have heard him speak, don't recall any anti 2A statements or intimation. My impression is that he's got his stuff wired tight, is narrow focus on whatever job is at hand, and capable of getting that job done.
For those who'd like more to form opinions with than the writings of Newsday, his book is The Lost Son, A Lifetime in Pusuit of Justice.

cracked butt
December 5, 2004, 11:02 PM
Its rumored that:
-He likes to dress up in women's clothing and pick up crack whores to partake in his woman punching fetish
-he enjoys eating puppies
-keeps a couple of adopted asian boys as servants
-often parks in handicap spots without a sticker
-has a hobby of stealing hubcaps

I just figured I would jump on the band wagon and add my completely unsubstantiated and made up rumors as well. :neener:

December 6, 2004, 01:43 PM
What we have to do is push our "freinds" in congress to "remind" him of 2A issues. I'm sure that he will be confirmed. We just have to make sure that we keep the heat on! I, for one, hope he believes in strong enforcement of immigration laws. That's where the terrorists are coming in - accross the borders and through the airports! :scrutiny:

December 6, 2004, 01:54 PM
As an aside, The New York Post today reported that Kerik sold $6,000,000 worth of Taser stock. Major stock sales are required to be reported by SEC rules.

Anyway, reading between the lines, Taser will sell heavily to DHS under Kerik. They could not do so if Kerik was a major stockholder - conflict of interest and whatnot.

December 6, 2004, 04:44 PM
I agree he has to be reminded about the 2nd amendment. If we really have someone in the White House who himself believes in it. Their I have some doubts. As far as the illegals coming over I'd bet the farm he looks at it like GWB. That being the more that comes over the merrier. I have to ask myself if GWB doesn't think the threat of terrorism is great enough for America to warrant closing are borders is the threat really great enough for brave Americans to be killed in Iraq. Remember up to 4million a year just walk into are country no one know who they are were they go and no one who could stop it gives a hoot in H**L!

R.H. Lee
December 6, 2004, 05:04 PM
Remember up to 4million a year just walk into are country no one know who they are were they go and no one who could stop it gives a hoot in H**L!

Yep. And the next terrorist attack here will come from jihadists who crossed the Mexican border. Watch.

December 6, 2004, 05:44 PM
DHS is a department of 170,000 people. I wonder if Kerik has the management skills to run a complex department like that? I know NYC has some like 30,000 or so police officers, but that is not quite the same as DHS.

December 6, 2004, 06:54 PM
Kerik has the 'bully' management style, sort of like Trump. He keeps his people scared and fires them if they screw up once.

His style is representative of an insecure person (his mother abandoned him when he was 4 years old). He will be in over his head, faking it a lot.

December 6, 2004, 09:47 PM
Regarding your firearms and Kerik's position: BOHICA.

December 7, 2004, 07:52 AM
He keeps his people scared and fires them if they screw up once. I reckon he'll find that difficult to do with federal employees. And the first time he tries it there will be a hue and cry and morale goes in the dumper. It's not that great over at DHS anyway...

TFL Survivor

December 7, 2004, 12:41 PM
One other thing. When Kerik was an Army MP, he roughed up a soldier. Got an Article 15 and lost a stripe.

December 8, 2004, 09:08 AM
The more I read about Kerik the less I like him. Today's ComPost had a story about his antics in Saudi Arabia when he was third in command of U.S. security forces. Lots of allegations that he was overly intrusive into the private activities of U.S. citizens :scrutiny: and other unseemly activities. My mental image is tending toward one of an arm-twisting street thug. Along the lines of Congressman Jim Moran. :barf:

TFL Survivor

December 8, 2004, 01:36 PM
What's his position on the 2A? Uh, "everyone forgot to ask." Conveniently. What else is new? As The Man once said, when I hear the word "Czar" I reach for my revolver. We all know here that true "homeland security" depends on the empowerment of free citizens, not autocratic, bureaucratic, and monolithic ministries of fear and intrusion. Let all be forewarned.

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