-"Blue Collar TV" is one of the more popular shows on TV.
-"The Dukes of Hazzard" is being released on DVD and a new movie is currently being shot in Louisiana.
-The "red states" have flexed their political muscles and made it clear that they do not apologize for their long-held beliefs and the differences between them and the urban liberal elitists on the coasts.
So, is it now cool to be a redneck?
Personally I think it's always been cool, and those that many people call rednecks are just about the last real Americans left.
What do you think?
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December 8, 2004, 11:23 AM
Read Iowahawk- it's very entertaining! The article is titled "Blue State Blue..." :)
December 8, 2004, 11:36 AM
Sure it's cool to be a redneck. I have a confederate flag tag on my truck and work in a government building. People tell me (jokingly) that I should remove it. I don't think so.
I recently spent an evening with some 20ish aged kids, er, young people. Majority of them come from money but they were very "into" country music from the 70's and had ruger/smith-wesson belt buckles, hats, kershaw folders, etc. but wore polo shirts and fashion jeans. Go figure...
December 8, 2004, 04:23 PM
I was born and raised in the deep south, a true RED NECK, as in the beginning of the term, is not one to admire. They are full of hate for anything, or anyone they are not familiar with. Like in the movie, "Deliverance."
December 8, 2004, 05:12 PM
"-The "red states" have flexed their political muscles and made it clear that they do not apologize for their long-held beliefs and the differences between them and the urban liberal elitists on the coasts."
Why does everyone who is not a blue-stater have to be a redneck? Or a neocon? Or a Bible-thumper? Or a...?
December 8, 2004, 05:28 PM
No, it is NOT cool to be a redneck. I am from the South. I am very proud to be from the South. I am not a redneck. They are 2 very different things. When I think of redneck, I see burning crosses, morons dressed in sheets, and all the hatred that goes along with the like. Do not throw that on everybody from the South. We don't appreciate it. Nor do we appreciate all of the southern stereotypes in the movies, tv, etc.
...those that many people call rednecks are just about the last real Americans left.
Got to disagree with that one. Many real Americans left. Doesn't have anything to do with North/South, Red/Blue, liberal/conservative. Has to do with the country you love.
There, I've said my piece. Ya'll have a good'un.
December 8, 2004, 05:31 PM
Yeah, being a redneck is cool. But you have to be born a redneck, you can't become one later in life, otherwise you are just being a poser wannabe.
Why is it that a redneck is the last group that can be poked fun at, well along with fat people. I know the reason, its just curious that as a group, they are fair game while almost all other groups are forbidden territory for ridicule, I guess unless you are a member of that group, then anything goes.
Anyways, I was going to make some funny comments poking fun at rednecks and just deleted it, because while I aspire to be a redneck, I'll never be one. I'll just take my 4x4 off roading and go shooting my guns, and be a poser.
December 8, 2004, 05:56 PM
a true RED NECK, as in the beginning of the term, is not one to admire. They are full of hate for anything, or anyone they are not familiar with. Like in the movie, "Deliverance." You're getting Redneck mixed up with White Trash, there's a big differenceWhen I think of redneck, I see burning crosses, morons dressed in sheets, and all the hatred that goes along with the like. Do not throw that on everybody from the South. We don't appreciate it. Nor do we appreciate all of the southern stereotypes in the movies, tv, etc. And please don't throw your mistaken definition of redneck on the rest of us.
I'm pure dee redneck, I have a black goddaughter, a half Puerto Rican son and a Asian wife. I have never burned a cross, even in jest, lynched a "darky" or bombed a church.
My grandfather was the biggest neck I've ever met. He and his family were run out of Mobile County by the Klan.
You are confusing Redneck with White Supremacist TerroristWhy is it that a redneck is the last group that can be poked fun at, well along with fat people. I know the reason, its just curious that as a group, they are fair game while almost all other groups are forbidden territory for ridicule, I guess unless you are a member of that group, then anything goes. Mostly because we're good with it. Consider the source was originally a redneck saying. That and there ain't no NAARN, cept Nascar
Most rednecks around my parts are white trash. I get a double dose of them as a cop, policing a rural city/county. We have our share of trailer parks etc… which that in and of itself don’t mean anything because many good folks live in them, I meet them everyday.
But most of your redneck types around here who have the rebel flag hanging on the front porch, a camaro up on blocks in the yard are the ones I answer call after call to for public drunk, shots fired, and domestic violence calls.
Especially on Sundays after the race is over, no joke.
I’m a Georgia boy born and raised, hunting, fishing and whatnot. But I’m not a redneck nor do I want to be.
December 8, 2004, 06:38 PM
Most rednecks around my parts are white trash The terms are not mutually inclusive or exclusive. But perhaps they are simply white trash that you have errantly assigned the redneck lable to.
December 8, 2004, 06:51 PM
.....this from Joab, may be the nearest to the truth.
"The terms are not mutually inclusive or exclusive. But perhaps they are simply white trash that you have errantly assigned the redneck lable to."
December 8, 2004, 07:03 PM
If it weren't for the Scots we'd have no way to disrespect the many cultural strata on the Southern US.
December 8, 2004, 07:03 PM
I'm with rhedley, Fedweasel and Calhoun.
Jeff Foxworhty aside, being called a "redneck" is not a compliment - they're mean-spirited, ignorant (no, make that stupid, ignorance can be cured) racist inbred bozos, a.k.a. "crackers", they are not nice people to be admired or emulated.
The sanitized version that Foxworth el al sells is more properly what used to be called a "good ol' boy", i.e. a Christian gentleman from the country. A person who is a bit rough around the edges, perhaps unsophisticated, who deals with life in simple (but sometime ingenious) terms, but fundamentally a good hearted person who enjoys life and is an overall good guy/gal.
December 8, 2004, 08:22 PM
I could be mistaking but I think the term “red neck” comes from a time when rich white folk dared not to be in the sun and their lilly white skin was a status symbol. Poor white folks had to work in the fields growing what they eat or working for the rich, under the scorching sun of the south they had red necks, faces, and arms, White trash to the Victorian upper class. According to the News media and blue states, I am a redneck, being a Christian, white, southern and a gun owner. So what!
December 8, 2004, 08:32 PM
Sheesh! Can you people not all see the obvious, that the term means different things to different people? Thus, if to me redneck means racist uneducated idiot, and to you it means Jeff Foxworthy, it does no good for me to get mad at you for calling me a redneck, or to get annoyed because you describe yourself as one.
December 8, 2004, 08:45 PM
There's also a connection with pellagra (http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic1755.htm)
Pellagra was reported first in the United States in 1902. Soon, pellagra began to occur in epidemic proportions in the American South. Poverty and consumption of corn as a dietary staple were the most frequently observed risk factors.
o Typically, the skin lesions of pellagra are represented by a photosensitive dermatitis noted over parts of the body that have been exposed to the sun.
o Skin lesions initially resemble a typical sunburn and tend to be symmetrical. Lesions may blister, vesiculate, and denude.
December 8, 2004, 09:02 PM
they're mean-spirited, ignorant (no, make that stupid, ignorance can be cured) racist inbred bozos, a.k.a. "crackers", they are not nice people to be admired or emulated. Again the white trash being confused with redneckA person who is a bit rough around the edges, perhaps unsophisticated, who deals with life in simple (but sometime ingenious) terms, but fundamentally a good hearted person who enjoys life and is an overall good guy/gal. Closer to the correct definitionThe sanitized version that Foxworth el al sells is more properly what used to be called a "good ol' boy", Good Ole Boy typically refers to crooked politicians or their inner circle and sometimes applied to town leaders and their cronies.
The Klan typically referred to each other as Good Ole Boys especially when giving a recommendation for some they deemed worthy of joining the club.
They also referred to each other, especially their dead as Woodsmen, anyone know why?
December 8, 2004, 09:21 PM
You guys must not be from the North because redneck is *never* used as a compliment.
Rednecks carry connotations of being stupid, inbred, drunk, and intolerant.
December 8, 2004, 10:27 PM
Fifty years ago, "redneck" was more of a pejorative term than anywhere near a Jeff Foxworthy view. Ignorant was more of an adjective for them, moreso than mean-spirited. "If his IQ hits 50, he oughta sell."
The joke is, there are "rednecks" and "good ol' boys". The difference is that good ol' boys throw their beer cans in the back of the pickup; rednecks throw theirs out on the ground. Generally, folks from "up Nawth" don't know the difference.
It's no different than the C&W music/dancing craze that's hit the cities. Lotsa Coca-Cola Cowboys out there. Bubbas and Bubbettes...
Long as folks don't take it seriously, it'll all work out.
"He's one of those two-name southern boys: A--H---."
December 8, 2004, 10:43 PM
Thanks John for the link about the connections with the Scots, that was interesting (& an explanation that I had never heard before).
December 8, 2004, 10:45 PM
Bbaerst, is Illinois part of the North? :neener:
December 8, 2004, 10:53 PM
Taint no 'neck, don't have a Dodge Challenger (although I do have a Dakota), so I ain't a good 'ol boy, guess I'm just a simple hillbilly :neener:
(originally from western North Carolina)
December 8, 2004, 11:02 PM
Born and raised in the South.
I agree with Art's post. I also recall a time redneck referred to the farmers and ranchers around here, the neck would get red from exposure to the sun...and not just the "hired help" - the owners and such were out and about as well. Some of these folks were highly educated and had LOTs of money.
I am often called a rebel. I just happen to be born in the South. My attitude , perceptions, hard- headedness...and such are the reason. Though I tell some it is because I like the fishing lure of the same name. Hey the anti gun Eng Lit instructor from the UK "bought" that reason.
I was told nobody had ever asked to shoot Skeet at a Resort in Jamacia...I told them it tasted like chicken and the Breadfruit Pudding would compliment . :p
December 9, 2004, 12:53 AM
Up North here way back in the hippy days us farmer types were called rednecks by the city dwellers. So I don't know about it being considered "kool". Turns out it does beat catching AIDS though.
Rednecks here-a-bouts are down to earth real people who get things done as opposed to the couch taters who's foremost expertise appears to be the labeling of others. Call us anything you want just as long as you stay out of the way. We don't take that kind of guff.
December 9, 2004, 01:02 AM
It is all part of the divided America. Those "cultured, enlightened, civilised" elitists that are the "smartest" people in the world, and all of us other people that work for a living, believe in the US Constitution, believe in self-interest, personal responsibility..............and spend a little time in the sun working on a burned neck. Some us yokels even have degrees and run businesses and provide highly skilled services to these "smart" people. Imagine that.
When I was in the Army they were trying to promote the "universal soldier" and poo-pooed the drinkers, smokers, womanizers and rabble-rousers. Turns out that the problem children were the loyal, fierce fighters and the "smart, conscientious" ones were the prissy "I broke a nail" types. Imagine that.
December 9, 2004, 01:30 AM
I'm a southern female redneck. Yep. I'm also a physician.(so does not fit the sterotype) But still a redneck. Got it from my Dad. Stubborn,independent,own guns, hunt, fish, camp, don't like girly-men etc. Two examples. My Dad about 12 years ago sold about 22,000 worth of cattle at a local small sale barn. He drove 4 miles into town to the Bank that his check was written on and asked for his 22,000. They told him they did not have 22,000 to give him. He said why the hell not. They told him they would transfer said amount to his account at his bank. He said hell no. He would be back tomorrow for his cash. He was and they had his 22,000. in cash. Another example. There was a guy tresspassing on my Dad's property. He stopped him and told him to leave and tresspassing was not appreciated. Well the guy got a little smart in his talk and my Dad pulled out his large revolver and pointed it at the guy. The guys eyes got real big as my Dad said "yea you can see the bullets in this one." That guy apologized right quick about tresspassing and never was he seen again on said property.
December 9, 2004, 01:32 AM
This is kind of interesting. As a northerner, I always thought "redneck" meant a stereotypical southerner who lives for NASCAR, has a pickup with a gun rack, and is vocal, if not informed, about all matters foreign and domestic. Obviously it wasn't a compliment, but it also fell short of a whole lot of other descriptions.
The interesting part, at least to me, is that most of the southern members ascribe a different, and much worse, meaning to the word. I'm inclined to defer, and I'll be more careful in the future. Up here, we call your definition of rednecks "ridgerunners." I think it's an Ozarks term.
December 9, 2004, 02:54 AM
Read "The Redneck Manifesto" by Jim Goad. While I disagree with many of his points (he comes across as a socialist in many spots) he makes many other good ones. Be warned, if you are offended by crass verbage, don't read it.
I am a 100% born and bred Florida Cracker. I have many ancestors that signed muster rolls for Florida Regiments in the War of Southern Independence. My family is as southern as it gets. I speak with a "hicky" (SWMBO's word for it) Northern Florida accent, I do many of the stereotypical southern things such as hunt, fish, eat grits, drink beer, drive a truck, shoot for fun, ect... I don't watch NASCAR though... Shoot, I don't even watch TV at all.
To me, the word redneck is an insult. In MY southern lexicon, redneck = white-trash. What joab and others describe as redneck, I call Southern Gentlemen, or Good'ole Boys.
Your lexicon may differ. In the end, ones actions determine ones worth, so I guess lables are pretty much worthless.
As to rednecks being the "last real Americans left," that is the biggest crock of horse-sheeyite I have ever heard. I know people from many places and from many backgrounds, and some of the biggest whiners and social blissninnies that I have ever come across were self described "rednecks."
December 9, 2004, 03:29 AM
The funny thing about it is I'm from NYC,never had a drivers license till I was 30 never owned a gun untill 37 I've never hunted...yup I guess some will still call me a redneck simply because I advocate for the 2nd!
December 9, 2004, 08:53 AM
It is funny how one term can mean many different things. Depending on your region or upbringing. Here in Idaho, once known for our Aryan Nations freaks and our hyper-conservatism, the term red neck is not derogatory or offensive. To us, a redneck is usually one who enjoys the western lifestyle, like things simple, is generally unsophisitcated but educated, hunts, fishes, and enjoys the outdoors. We usually can be itentified buy our turcks and clothing, no low-riders or fancy dress for us, please keep it simple and utilitarian is our motto. We are generally respective, somtimes to a fault, lots of "yes sirs, yes mams" in our speech. We generally don't like tree hugging, peace loving hippie freaks, and like big city, eastern politicians even less. We are over patriotic and would just as soon watch a car race or sit in a chair by the river with a fishing pole in one hand and a beer in the other than go to a play or some darn fancy show. An image that most here can identify with, Larry Craig and Frank Church (RIP) are Idaho Red Necks.
December 9, 2004, 09:30 AM
I'm a southern gentleman. :)
December 9, 2004, 09:42 AM
Well according to Hank Williams JR, " a redneck ain't nothing but a working man, who makes his living by the sweat of his brow and the callouses on his hands"
December 9, 2004, 10:03 AM
A long-time friend of mine uses me, he says, as his "Redneck sounding board". If he wants to know the general views of the blue-collar/CB trucker/redneck groups, he does the "How do you feel about...?" thing.
He knows that how I feel about some issue has little or nothing to do with how I'll behave--whether it's ballot box or cartridge box.
December 9, 2004, 01:39 PM
Redneck has always meant "rural white trash" to me.
December 9, 2004, 02:31 PM
Skofnung, how close are you to Jacksonville?
December 9, 2004, 02:43 PM
The interesting part, at least to me, is that most of the southern members ascribe a different, and much worse, meaning to the word.
As a Southerner born and raised, I have never heard such prejudiced remarks about rednecks (a group I'm proud to hail from) from other Southerners. Liberal media, yes. Southerners, no.
December 9, 2004, 02:55 PM
I'm about 2 1/2 hours West of there...
December 9, 2004, 03:45 PM
The "redneck" title many here aspire to became popular after Jeff Foxworthy's routine, however, I believe the actual definition is more like white trash, as some have noted here. Shots fired, drunk, cars up on blocks, routine police calls for disturbances. :scrutiny:
December 9, 2004, 04:37 PM
Up here in Michigan, a Hillbilly is from Michigan, a Ridgerunner is from around Pennsyltucky, in that area. Rednecks are the blue collar folk that actually are the glue that holds us together that live in the countryside surrounding Michigan cities. Funny thing is most rednecks own fairly reasonable tracts of land and the city folk long to live among us. The upper crust calls that urban sprawl. White trash are the no-accounts that the word implies.
December 9, 2004, 04:41 PM
Mike in VA has it right. A good friend of mine from High Point North Carolina once told me the difference between a "Red Neck" and a "Good Ole Boy". A redneck will throw a beer can out the window of his truck. A Good Ole Boy will throw a beer can into his pick-up truck's bed. :)
December 9, 2004, 07:07 PM
but one of my friends is having a 'white trash christmas' party. apparently we all get to throw our empties on the roof and listen to really bad music. Asked him if i could bring my shotgun ;)
December 9, 2004, 08:16 PM
I found this too. JT
"That's what we get for sending you kids to those fancy big-city colleges, I guess. Too busy reading all that French philosophy to watch reruns of Hee Haw like normal folks.
According to the Oxford English Dictionary (whose editors persist in hyphenating the word as "hill-billy"), a hillbilly is "a person from a remote rural or mountainous area, especially of the southeastern U.S." The earliest written occurrence of the term on record is from the New York Journal of 1900, which defined a "hillbilly" as "a free and untrammeled white citizen of Alabama, who lives in the hills, has no means to speak of, dresses as he can, talks as he pleases, drinks whiskey when he gets it, and fires off his revolver as the fancy takes him." Oddly enough, the OED does not classify "hillbilly" as a derogatory term, although that quotation contains ample evidence that it is, at least when it's coming from the pen of a New Yorker."
http://188.8.131.52/search?q=cache:D2XxHaQ9Ft4J:www.word-detective.com/070599.html+hillbilly+definition&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 (...a little more than halfway down at Bully for Y'all)
December 9, 2004, 08:36 PM
As a northerner, I always thought "redneck" meant a stereotypical southerner That's funny, some of the biggest rednecks I've ever known are from NY StateThe "redneck" title many here aspire to became popular after Jeff Foxworthy's routine, Actually Jeff's routine played on the popularity of the redneck culture of the time and the rampant bubba bashing that was going on
December 9, 2004, 10:22 PM
This thread has covered almost every possible POV but I would put the following fuctional definitions to the words that seem to be of most interest.
1. Calling someone a hillbilly, who actually comes from the rural mountains (especially the southern Apps), might not be considered unduely inflamatory to the one being so designated. I am a hillbilly. D$%# well educated but one none the less. For some reason I've never taken offense to the term hillbilly. Given the right context, being referred to as a hillbilly by another hillbilly is anything but an insult. If you are not from "the group" please don't try that at home.
2. Calling someone a redneck just might get a more active response. Many non-biased, non-wife beating, non-white trash, God-fearing , law abiding, gainfully employed types might be somewhat at ease internally that certain redneck tendencies comprise part of their manner of going and world view. Even for those that privately consider themselves part of the caste, it may or may not be a wise move to call someone so situated a redneck in a negative context in public. They very likley will be comfortable demonstarting that they are also non-wimps. PC and tolerance are not what necks are all about when rubbed the wrong way.
3. Calling someone white trash is a very effective way of asking to exchange gunfire, fists or be double x'd in a major way. Even if the person in question is white trash, and knows it, calling them such is the purest form of insult. If you call someone wt, expect something very negative to happen in short order. There are slight value differences in referring to someone as white trash as opposed to calling them poor white trash but I won't get into that.
I come from western NC originally but pulled a tour of duty in Georgia as a teenager, then back to NC for college and GS. From a functional POV I'm pretty familiar with the use and values assigned to these terms.
Let's see if my fellow Southerners agree.
No praise or offense to anyone here but applying these terms to anyone outside the Southern US and as far west as TX and OK always stuck me as improper. Surely there must be more regionally appropriate terms for use outside the South when you're just trying to insult someone.
December 10, 2004, 01:53 AM
Selfdfenz-------you said it pretty well. As a southern redneck woman (with a really hick southern accent)lets just say it is the trait when my attitude and manner may turn in a more earthy direction instead of that out of "The Proper Manners of A Southern Female" book. Not that southern female charmes can't be of great benefit when applied in the proper manner. :evil:
December 10, 2004, 09:07 AM
I heard that.
(with a really hick southern accent)
me too!!!!! :D
And it always freaks me out when I hear myself on tape. But.....where I come from it still IDs me as one of them, and that's a good thing when I go back to visit family. :)
December 10, 2004, 10:09 AM
I'm with you Selfdefenz.
Obviously, context counts. "Redneck", depending on context and source, apparently can run the gammut from the Foxworthy, kinder, gentler implixcation of a basic counrty culture person (vs useless citified fop, e.g. the 'do-it-yourself' vs 'do-it-for-me' folks) to the more traditional (IMO) "white trash" connotation.
"Good ol' boy" seems to work the same way, ranging from 'a Christian gentleman from the country' to the inference of a corrupt, 'in the club' throwback.
Context is key. Depending on sho sasid what to whom, when and where, the difference can range from a fat lip (or worse) to the offer to 'buy ya a cold one, buddy?'
(How's that fer over-analysis?)
December 10, 2004, 11:15 AM
It depends totally on the time, place and the people involved. But then again I see the same thing with other groups/cultures. They address each other in ways you and I could never fully understand and it might be risky to assume we should take a chance trying.
December 10, 2004, 11:34 AM
I'm from the south. I own firearms, hunt, fish, and sport shoot. I drive a pickup truck. I have never considered myself a Redneck and I would take offense to anyone that called me that.
TennTucker beat me to it but I consider myself a Southern Gentleman. I attend church regularly, open doors for ladies, and mind my manners as all true Southern Gentlemen should.
December 10, 2004, 11:52 AM
I went to High School in a district that was part rural and part suburban near Cleveland. We used the term redneck to describe the kids who drove pickups, owned a CB radio, and often read racist literature. It seemed that their primary source of entertainment before school was using bleach to assist in peeling out in the parking lot. Some used rebel flag motiffs. I had a friend who worked with one; my friend was asked one time if he thought the South would rise again. Anyway, rightly or wrongly, this is the group that was thought of as rednecks.
December 10, 2004, 12:56 PM
I grew up in Southern Indiana. I hung out with the rednecks and the runners in high school. The rednecks were the truck driving, gun owning (or at least parents owned guns) CB using good old boys. Oh yeah, they wore hiking or cowboy boots to school. A redneck was also someone who worked outside and had a redneck. We also had white trash that lived in the trailer park (not saying all trailer parks are white trash, just that white trash are often found in trailers. I think like all names that describe something, redneck and hillbilly can have both positive and negative connotations. Sometimes calling someone redneck can mean my previous description. Other times they may call someone a redneck and mean white trash and you and everybody else realizes it. I think it depends entirely on the persons tone of voice and intent.
December 10, 2004, 02:08 PM
BLEACH!!!!!!! That brings back memories of my teenage years when the muscle cars were all the go. Yea we poured bleach on the highway and "burned rubber" . Right out on the straight stratch in front of my home. I even asked my Mom for the bleach. My boyfriend had a beasutiful sky blue Roadrunner. Man I miss that car -----not the boyfriend. Let's just say all the squiggly black rubber burns on the highway are a type of "rural grafitti". I can actually read the meaning in it. :eek:
December 10, 2004, 04:34 PM
not saying all trailer parks are white trash, just that white trash are often found in trailers. Now you're getting into Trailer Trash about one rung under White trash and one above Poor White Trash.
Of course tailer parks are full of Poor White Trash that hit the White Trash Lottery ( injury settlement, usually something to do with the back or knee) and moved to the park. There is also alot of White Trash that get off welfare but stay in the trailer park so as not to put on airs.
Before anybody gets mad and corrects me.
I lived in a trailer for 2 years and now live in a Hillbilly Hicktown with the Rednecks and the Good Ole Boys
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