Is S&W dropping the K Frame?


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Crownvicman
December 8, 2004, 06:40 PM
Are they? Or is this just an internet rumor?

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Cortland
December 8, 2004, 06:45 PM
I can't believe they'd discontinue the 617 :scrutiny:

SnWnMe
December 8, 2004, 06:53 PM
Just the 357s

stans
December 8, 2004, 09:47 PM
The model 66, the only current production K-frame 357, is being discontinued. Its replacement will be an L-frame 686 with a shortened underlug. Supposedly the new revolver will carry the model number "666". :scrutiny:

Onmilo
December 8, 2004, 10:15 PM
Smith may discontinue the centerfire K frames for the American market but they continue to be top sellers in other parts of the world.

pezo
December 9, 2004, 01:23 AM
darn, now I have to buy a new revolver because it bares a unique model number. (666) hmmm :evil:

ruger357
December 9, 2004, 08:29 AM
666? Betcha the anti gunners will love that.

ted murphy
December 9, 2004, 07:53 PM
From what I was told they are dropping all the centerfire K frames except the model 10/64's.

Ted

alamo
December 10, 2004, 12:42 AM
The model 66, the only current production K-frame 357, is being discontinued.

You forgot the Model 65.

Hard to imagine they would discontinue something as fine as the Models 66 and 65.

Tamara
December 10, 2004, 01:35 AM
From what I was told they are dropping all the centerfire K frames except the model 10/64's.

There are only four centerfire K-frames still in the catalogue: The 10, 64, 65, and 66. The .357 Magnum ones are apparently goners (65 & 66) while the .38 Spl ones will remain (10 & 64.)

If S&W discontinues the blued, fixed-sight, K-frame .38, then I will hunker down and await the end times. There is probably not another handgun on earth that has been produced steadily by one company for so many years this side of the Peacemaker, and M&P production dwarfs even that old smokewagon... :uhoh:

Cosmoline
December 10, 2004, 03:46 PM
Typical. They shut it down JUST as I discover it. I picked up a 13-2 recently and I'm very happy with it. To me it's the ideal size for a .357.

Oh well. Plenty of used ones on the market.

P. Plainsman
December 10, 2004, 03:51 PM
I, too, can't believe S&W will call the new, light-lugged L-frame the 666.

But it seems they will.

(S&W's Herb) Belin also shared that the company is retiring the K-frame Model 65 and 66, but is reintroducing the two models as Model's 665 and 666 saying the new guns will be similar to the 65 and 66 except they'll be "L" framed guns.

"(The Model 65 and 66) is not a proper gun for current .357 loadings," said Belin.

http://www.handgunsmag.com/rt4

alamo
December 10, 2004, 08:07 PM
Thanks for posting that P. Plainsman. At least I understand now why they are doing it, not that I agree but oh well, I've got my 66 & 65.

fulloflead
December 10, 2004, 08:38 PM
P. Plainsman,

"...Model 65 and 66, but is reintroducing the two models as Model's 665 and 666 saying the new guns will be similar to the 65 and 66 except they'll be "L" framed guns."

What would be the difference between those and the 686?

P. Plainsman
December 10, 2004, 10:57 PM
686 has a barrel with a full underlug. The projected 665 and ((the Gun of the Beast)) will not. They'll have only the partial underlug, like the 65 and 66, just with a bigger cylinder and frame.

Man, it's gonna be weird. Think of all the cheesy puns we'll read when the gun rags review the S&W triple-six.

fulloflead
December 10, 2004, 11:07 PM
Gotcha! Though they just came out with a 5" 686 without the full underlug.

That's OK. I thought of another difference...
I think the old 65/66 had the tapered barrel like the Model 19 did. The 686 has the heavy "target" barrel. Maybe the 666 will have the tapered barrel.

P. Plainsman
December 11, 2004, 01:03 AM
Maybe. Dunno, but that makes sense.

SnWnMe
December 11, 2004, 05:32 AM
The new 666 will come packed with the old Iron Maiden "Number of the Beast" CD.

Run to the hills!

Marshall
December 11, 2004, 12:12 PM
Model 666

That'll give the anti's something to hang their hat on, like they're heavily religious people anyway...... :rolleyes:

Guy B. Meredith
December 12, 2004, 01:29 AM
AAaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhh! The M66 is absolutely my favorite.

Maybe I should try a 4" barrel 6(gulp)66 or 686(+) before whining, but I have a PC 627 V comp and a 6" 686+ and they are suffering severe neglect due to my fascination with the beautiful M66.

The M66 IS more of a handful, but the challenge is the thing. The 627 is like a huge battleship with loads of inertia and the long barrel 686+ is best for long range, but the M66 just MOVES when I want to.

surfinUSA
December 12, 2004, 11:07 AM
The 66 really is a great all around 357, especially as a woods gun with its adjustable sights. With a 4 inch barrel its still easy to carry all day and is very forgiving even when used in the worst weather conditions. Additionally, this gun can be shot with really heavy loads when you need them. Its not pleasant, but its not scandium either.

The 19 is great but in S. Florida will rust just by looking at it outside. And the GP100 and 686 are also fine guns but are bigger and heavier which really becomes noticable as the day wears on.

As a ccw gun the 3 inch 65 can't be beat. Sorry to see these go.

As far as the proposed 666 goes, I might have to get one just for the model number. But I wouldn't be surprised to see the model changed to "super 66" instead of "666" by the time it hits the market.

saltydog452
December 16, 2004, 02:46 PM
:mad:

Glad that I have two 3'' Heavy barrel Round Butt Mdl 13's still in the safe. It seems to me that that paticular model is about as close to a 'go anywhere, do anything' revolver that I am aware of. Hate to see it go.

salty.

DHart
December 17, 2004, 06:25 AM
I guess the old-fangled 13 and 65 just aren't good enough to offer the public anymore... dang, I guess I'd better get with the times and trade these two old beaters in on something new-fangled, something with MIM parts, something with a frame-mounted firing pin, something with an internal lock, something MODERN! YEAH that's the ticket!... :rolleyes:

Smith & Wesson Model 13-3 .357 Magnum 3" barrel
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Guns/SW13_2360.jpg
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Smith & Wesson Model 65-5 .357 Magnum 3" barrel
http://www.legendportraits.com/Images/Guns/SW65_1283s.jpg

Not! :cool:

Guy B. Meredith
December 17, 2004, 12:41 PM
Just peeked at the S&W board. I haven't visited since they changed the look of the site so am not totally sure of what is what, but under "what's new" there is a short underlug 686+ with 5" barrel. Whatsit?

John Ross
December 17, 2004, 02:15 PM
Lament not. I would bet you couldn't tell a 686 from your beloved 66 IF they had the same barrel contour. And sometimes they do.

The 686 "Mountain Revolver" of a few years ago had the light 4" half-lug barrel and weighed 36 oz. IIRC. The stocking dealer special 686 has a 5" heavy half-lug barrel and weighs 38.5 oz. Depending on what weight you prefer, these guns are two of the best .357s you can buy, and can live on steady diets of full-power loads.

JR

groessebaer
December 17, 2004, 05:28 PM
I would agree with John Ross on the 686 Mtn. Gun. Actually the specs showed it weighed slightly LESS than the equivalent 19/66 4" bbl. Having a 66-2 4" and 686 Mtn. Gun I actually gravitate to the Mtn. Gun.

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