ATF Serial Number Database


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thumbtack
December 30, 2002, 04:22 PM
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/serial.htm

Here is the information a person would use to request the ATF lookup a firearm's serial number if the gun was lost or stolen.

Now, I was under the impression that the ATF did not keep a database like this, and all information was purged after 90 days. It appears that I was wrong and if the ATF can lookup look up a serial number for you does this not mean that basicly this is firearm registration.

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EnfieldIII
December 30, 2002, 04:26 PM
"NOTE:

The Federal Firearms Licensee (dealer) who sold you the firearm must be "out-of-business (OOB)," otherwise we cannot conduct the search. "

Records get turned over after the dealer goes out of business and are presumably kept forever.

thumbtack
December 30, 2002, 07:59 PM
If a record is being kept by the dealers then at anytime the ATF or whomever could come and retrieve them. What is the reasoning for dealers getting a permanent record?

EnfieldIII
December 31, 2002, 10:59 AM
If a record is being kept by the dealers then at anytime the ATF or whomever could come and retrieve them.

Yep, or just want to come a talk to you. Check out this thread.
www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=135575&highlight=Sniper (http://)

What is the reasoning for dealers getting a permanent record?
The law says they must keep the records.

Poodleshooter
December 31, 2002, 06:19 PM
One executive order, commanding the elimination of this database of 4473's turned over to ATF would make registration completely impossible on a nationwide scale. I wonder how large the d-base of 4473's is?

Shamaya
December 31, 2002, 07:08 PM
"Now, I was under the impression that the ATF did not keep a database like this, and all information was purged after 90 days. It appears that I was wrong and if the ATF can lookup look up a serial number for you does this not mean that basicly this is firearm registration."

Reportedly, 74% of the licensed firearms dealers went out of business during the Clinton regime. All of those 4473's were turned over to the gun NAZIs. That's quite a large registration database, yes.

CAP
December 31, 2002, 09:40 PM
Interesting info. Thanks for the posts.

More research is definitely needed. I was unaware of the rider of OOB dealers records being returned to the govment. :evil:

I don't doubt they can trace most guns for at least a little ways. Then the pressure of whatever ongoing investigation will make the sheeple tell any and all.

There aught to be more fires.

Riss
January 2, 2003, 03:54 AM
ATF keeps no (known) database of current ownership. BUT, they can backwards tracr ownership through their records. Assuming they receive an unknown gun they start at the maker and follow the trail to the last registered owner.

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