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Lonestar.45
December 17, 2004, 12:55 PM
Someone posted this link over on the 1911 forum. Take a look at the rusted out Thompsons near the bottom of the page. Sad. So very sad.

http://www.project-x.org.uk/armsdumpindex.html

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MikeB
December 17, 2004, 01:03 PM
I think this may be on the list of times when a man is allowed to cry.

why_me
December 17, 2004, 01:14 PM
OMG who did this? Oh the humanity of it all!
im crying i cant go on. This is too much. Its obscene. I want to know who is responsible for this!

Tag
December 17, 2004, 01:26 PM
I bet some of the AK's still work :D

Were are these photos from?

kind of cool, sad, but cool...

12 Volt Man
December 17, 2004, 02:19 PM
That would be like going to the junkyard to find parts for an old car. I bet there are some great parts and some of those guns are just waiting for a caring soul to bring them back to life.

Oh the humanity... :(

Wedge
December 17, 2004, 03:25 PM
I have seen that picture before...

Just send me in with some sandpaper and oil...

RevDisk
December 17, 2004, 03:25 PM
:cuss:

GE electric miniguns, RPG's, thompsons... What evil person is responsible for this crime against humanity?

Pardon me, I'm going to go off and sob in a corner for a while. Then I'm going to scrub down every gun I own and tell them that I'd never do such a thing to them.

The Kidd
December 17, 2004, 03:31 PM
Golgotha

grnzbra
December 17, 2004, 04:24 PM
Judging from the URL, I'd say it was a British thing.

Ironbarr
December 17, 2004, 04:39 PM
Darn those buy-back programs!!!



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MagnumCaliber357
December 17, 2004, 04:54 PM
kina reminds me of picture of mass graves..............

Onmilo
December 17, 2004, 09:54 PM
The location is an arms depot in the Phillipines(sic?) somebody will correct the spelling.
Military was having problems with theft of excess material from the depots. The stuff doesn't sell well on the global market or is USA Foreign Military Assistance which, by agreement cannot be resold.
Demilitarization is impractical so they leave the stuff to the elements to render it unservicable.
It doesn't take long in that climate.

Old NFO
December 17, 2004, 10:04 PM
Onmilo said, The location is an arms depot in the Phillipines(sic?) somebody will correct the spelling.

If you're right, then that pic is from the '70's right after Vietnam fell. The AK's and RPG's remind me of the stuff that was taken off the Viet Navy ships that pulled into Subic. And you are right, stuff just "melts" in that humidity... That's where I learned stainless steel WILL rust.

Good memories of the Cubi O Club and VP Alley though... hehehe :evil:

jefnvk
December 17, 2004, 10:28 PM
Same thing is happening in Iraq, right now. Just over on milsurpshooters.net, I had a guy tell me that he met a Demolitions guy that blew up over a thousand MP40's :what: :fire: :cuss: :mad:

target4fun
December 17, 2004, 10:57 PM
with all these buy back programs they should just sell the guns to american ffl dealers, why waste them? Fusterateing :banghead: :cuss: :fire:

Dont destroy them just send them to me!

horge
December 17, 2004, 11:07 PM
I'm not so sure those are images from the Philippines (one L, then two P's, gents).
Vegetation looks a little funny, but anything's possible.

Lest you think the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) throws stuff needlessly away... The few AFP dumps I've seen (PA, PN) are really piles of mere husks of weapons, their innards long since used for spares to support a greater majority of similar arms in service. It's been correctly posted above that even the spares (as US FMA materiel) cannot be sold at all!

Rotting husks, aside, I have seen piles of well-preserved Thompsons, WW2 1911's, M3 Grease guns and the like in Armed Forces storage. With money so tight, the M3 greasegun has re-entered service with the Philippine Navy as a compact, boarding-team weapon, and in limited numbers with Marine land armor.
http://mabma.thereeftank.com/postpics/m3test.jpg

As for any piles of rusting rattletraps
There's no shortage of gunsmiths and enthusiasts (meself included) here in the Philippines who would love to nurse such 'excess' and incomplete husks, back into working condition, but the law is the law...

:)

Feanaro
December 17, 2004, 11:17 PM
I don't normally cry. But I think I can shed a single tear for this.

Daedalus
December 17, 2004, 11:47 PM
I forget who said this, and on what forum, but every time this link is posted I think of it:

"This must be Joeken's backorders"

Trebor
December 18, 2004, 02:24 AM
The info I have is that these are pics of a arms depot in Vietnam.

The weapons were inherited from the ARVN when South Vietnam fell. That's why it has the mix of WWII era weapons that were originally aid to Vietnam and then current U.S. weapons. Do you guys noticed anything more modern then say, oh, 1975 in those piles?

The specific story is that there was a fire that burned several buildings where the weapons were stored down the to concrete floor. The weapons were then left exposed to the elements. You've seen the results.

I have no way to verify this info, but it is what I heard and it does make sense.

Rob

OEF_VET
December 18, 2004, 02:43 AM
The specific story is that there was a fire that burned several buildings where the weapons were stored down the to concrete floor. The weapons were then left exposed to the elements. You've seen the results.

If it were a fire, explain the wood handguards still being present on the Thompsons.

PMDW
December 18, 2004, 02:52 AM
And the plastic furniture on the HK33 still existing as originally molded.

Trebor
December 18, 2004, 03:40 AM
Take a look at the pics. You'll see metal storage buildings in the background of several shots. You'll also notice what looks like a concrete floor under the piles of guns in some pics.

I believe that one (or more) of those buildings could have caught fire and been destroyed (or torn down after fire damage) without the heat neccessarily burning the stocks off the Thompsons, etc.

Like I said, I have no way to verify the info. It came up when these pics where posted on other board (not sure which one) over a year ago and I can't back track to the original board and post.

It's also likely that the fire story is wrong and that the weapons were simply piled up and stored in the open.

I do think the depot was in Vietnam though. The types of weapons would be consistent. The high humidity would explain the damage. Vietnam does have literally hundreds tons of weapons that were captured. We're talking whole storage areas of weapons here. Most of the weapons remain in-country to this day because the U.S. Govt will not issue arms permits to arms dealers who also deal with the Vietnamese govt. Vietnam would have loved to sell them all off to raise hard cash, but hasn't been able to do so in any large amount. The relatively small number of ex-US M-16's that turned up in Central America in the 80's were really just drop in the bucket compared to what was captured.

It's not just guns. Vietnam had whole squadrons of T-37's and helicopters and other vehicles, complete with spare parts and inventory control systems that they won when South Vietnam fell. The majority of it is still rusting in place.

Sisco
December 18, 2004, 08:49 AM
If you go all the way back to that sites home page http://www.project-x.org.uk/ there is a list of "de-activated" guns for sale.
http://www.project-x.org.uk/gunlibrary.html

Zach S
December 18, 2004, 09:37 AM
I want one of the Thompsons to refinish and put over the fireplace. I know that an old bolt or lever action goes on the mantle, but I dont care much for them, I'm more of an EBR type guy. At least with the thompson, its visually pleasing, and blued steel with wood stocks.

I know AO/Kahr sells non-firing models, but why pay that much?

Waffen
December 18, 2004, 01:44 PM
I could have done without seeing thoes pictures. I cannot belive how much money/history was lost in that junk pile. This is just unacceptable. :fire:

Mrs. Armoredman
December 18, 2004, 05:01 PM
That is sicking. Darn those buy back programs. :cuss:

Sindawe
December 18, 2004, 05:19 PM
It is a sad commentary on a culture that would rather fine weapons rust away in the elements than be treasured and preserved as the relics and tools of Liberty that they are.

Such a people have lost their soul, and are bound for servitude. Doubly sad is the fact that it is OUR culture that is doing this.

But then, we all know this already.

Onmilo
December 18, 2004, 06:55 PM
Then again I have heard that this stuff is somewhere in Indonesia.

RevDisk
December 18, 2004, 10:37 PM
Yanno, it's policy for the US government to destroy weapons we capture. I personally blew up a StG44. We found a couple crates of WWII Thompsons, still in their original packing grease. Ran them over with a Bradley.

DRZinn
December 19, 2004, 09:20 PM
<sniff>

8guage
December 19, 2004, 10:31 PM
that is despicable, morally incorrect they did not have a proper burial???

Clean97GTI
December 20, 2004, 12:18 AM
I saw pics of piles of old US service weapons (in Greece if I'm remembering correctly) sitting there. Some disassembled, some looked operational.

Piles of Garands, 03A3's, 1919s, etc. Very sad.

stealthmode
December 20, 2004, 01:35 AM
The Horror, The Horror

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