[PenHolder]

Take a look at this, an 18" pump gun that uses the AR stock, rear grip, and sights:
http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/guns_525px/fn_sg_tactical.gif
http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/sg_tactical.htm

Anything "AR" automatically scores tactical points, right? It also says "tactical" right there on the gun!

It's even CA-legal. For today, at least. I see no mention of carbon fiber, though. :)

-PH

[Sir Galahad]

Yep, dats da piece!

One of the newest icons at the High Church of the Def Win!

[Dave McCracken]

What's the list price on that? Thanks....

[PenHolder]

Dave: at one of my local gun shops, it's advertised as on sale for $820 from a regular price of $900.

That's pretty steep, for a pump. I guess there's a cover charge for "tactical".

[Sir Galahad]

Too steep for me. I actually like the wood stock on my first Defender more than the "black tac" stuff anyway.:D

[Andrew Wyatt]

I like this gun, for a couple reasons. the first reason is it's the first shotgun I've seen that comes from the factory with a stock short enough to fit someone short of stature or wearing body armor. (I lopped a full two inches off my mossberg stock when i got it because it was so ungodly long).

the second reason i like it is the adjustable for elevation sight system. provided one can group well enough, the operator can use slugs at 150+ yards now that they don't have to rely on kentucky windage.

on the down side, the easy to adjust sights are of course, easy to adjust. this could cause problems with stuff shofting around when you don't want it to.

[Schuey2002]

I mentioned this shotgun to Sir Skunk awhile back and his reply was, "They're Ugly!";)

[Dave McCracken]

$820,huh? That's an 870 with accessories, some ammo, and a one day course at LFI, Gunsite, etc....

If you can 'splain how this is superior, I'm all ears....

[Skunkabilly]

If I dropped my M1S90 it would be in favor of an M870.

I'm not going M3S90 (not bloody likely) or M4S90 (aka XM1014) until Surefire makes a dedicated light rail for them.

[another48hrs]

Damn, $800 for a tactical police!?! How bout they just name it police and bring it down to about $400. :D

[CWL]

What's the purpose of the A2 sights that any fixed rifle or ghost ring sights won't do as well? Bead sights sure seem to work excellently against clays, birds and rabbits on the move.

I see no point in learning to shoot slugs out to 150yards since this is rifle range. Rifles/carbines are faster for aimed fire at this kind of range.

Certainly not legal in CA in current configuration, shorter mag tube and fixed stock only.

More junk for the ninja crowd.

[Andrew Wyatt]

1. it is legal in california.

2. there are instances where you don't have a rifle.

[CWL]

1. it is legal in california.

Like I wrote NOT in this configuration. Shorter mag tube and fixed stock only.

2. there are instances where you don't have a rifle.

Same for where you have a shotgun when you really need a rifle. Like I wrote What's the purpose of the A2 sights that any fixed rifle or ghost ring sights won't do as well? Bead sights sure seem to work excellently against clays, birds and rabbits on the move

:rolleyes:

Ninja toy.

[Skunkabilly]

Like I wrote NOT in this configuration. Shorter mag tube and fixed stock only.

I thought it's AOK with a pump?

[Benjamin]

What's the purpose of the A2 sights that any fixed rifle or ghost ring sights won't do as well? Bead sights sure seem to work excellently against clays, birds and rabbits on the move

Well, according to FNH, it's to make it as similar as possible to M16/AR 15 series rifles; the idea was that it

makes the FN Tactical Police Shotgun a great crossover tool for those already trained in or accustomed to the M16 family of rifles

So yes, it is designed for the ninjas.

[Andrew Wyatt]

I guess my 7+1 mossberg which i bought in a california gun store is illegal as well.

non semi auto firearms don't fall under the ban.


What's the purpose of the A2 sights that any fixed rifle or ghost ring sights won't do as well? Bead sights sure seem to work excellently against clays, birds and rabbits on the move

None of those things are shot at very frequently with slugs. A bead sight works well, priovided you know your shotgun and slug load, but a GR or peep sight works better. m16A2 sights have both a large aperature and a small one, and they're more precise than most GR sights, and just as quick to pick up, provided the weapon fits.
The stock is adjustable, as well, which is a nice touch. My nephew could shoot it with the stock bottomed out.

the inline ar-15 type stock might help with muzzle rize as well.
It's not perfect by any stretch, though. It should have an ar-15 type safety, in keeping with the stated purpose of making it simple for people with m-16's to use, a recoul pad, and a wingmaster style forend, for more gripping area.
that being said,
don't dismiss this shotgun out of hand.

[Dave McCracken]

I'm not dismissing it out of hand, I just do not see where the bellsnwhistles justify the price.

One of the BIG advantages of "Serious" shotguns has been the cost effectiveness. This negates that.

Any of the Big Four in a plain variant cost less than a week's pay for a blue collar working man.

As fart as I can tell, what you're buying is a pump gun with $200 worth of addons and $300 worth of the Cool Factor.

If it floats your boat, so be it.

Anyone with one of these live close to MD? Got a match for ya....

[Correia]

You guys know I'm not a Ninja gun kind of guy. My competition gun is a really high tech high speed 15 year old wood stock Wingmaster with bead sights. :p

But I agree with Andrew on this one. The adjustable stock does offer some utility to people who are smaller than average. There is nothing wrong with straight line stocks, and if you have a true straight line stock then raised sights are a good thing for a proper comfortable cheek weld. Plus the M4 style tube stock is bound to be more comfortable than some of the idiotic folding stocks that you see for shotguns.

The AR sights will do basically the same thing as ghost rings. I don't see any sort of problem there. The Winchester action is a fine action.

It is overpriced though. A base Defender runs about $250. Figure another $200 tops for all of the add ons. $450, mark it up to $500 to make the FN marketing people feel special, still a reasonable price. But $800 is way over priced.

[Andrew Wyatt]

the cost factor is one of the reasons i don't have one, well that and i already have a perfectly serviceable shotgun in the form of bessie, my mossberg/ graduation present.

I'd be interested in doing a T&E on this sometime if i can get ahold of one, it seems like a step in an interesting direction, as far as shotguns go.

[Al in Md]

No Bayo. Lug? what were they thinking? Al

[Kahr carrier]

When I saw that picture I thought it was a cut and paste job .But Its actually real ,but way overpriced. For that money I would buy a M1 Super -90.:)

[blades67]

I think I'll just buy the stock adapter and squared trigger guard and a second Defender.:D

[Gewehr98]

Those tacticool add-ons would be illegal on a semi-auto, but not a pump gun. Not that the blissninnies don't want to ban the stuff for pump guns, too, but that law hasn't passed yet. ;)

Now, if it had a rail for a deer-shining, kilowatt-sucking, high-intensity-discharge searchlight, Skunkabilly *might* be attracted to one. Gotta get PhotoShop fired up to build him a "Rooney" shotgun, kinda like the "Rooney" AR's over on Dean Speir's website!

[Beorn]

You could buy the really sweet Benelli semi-auto tactical 7+1 12 gauge for the same price... Why would you want a pump for such a steep cost?:confused: