Remington Sendero


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Partyguy816
December 18, 2004, 08:11 PM
I bought a remington sendero in a .300 win mag about a year ago. I have been unable to get the gun sighted in and I think it might be because the trigger pull. Does anyone know what the trigger pull is on the remington sendero?

The scope is a Leupold so I am just hoping that it isn't messed up from the factory. The groups if you want to call them that is 4 to 5 inches. I am used to shooting the Savage which is set at 1 1/2 lbs so I'm just hoping this will fix the problem.

Another option would be to get an aftermarket trigger for it. Maybe Timney?

Last what will the factory remington trigger weight go down to? I was told about half of whatever it is now. Is this right?

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Peter M. Eick
December 18, 2004, 09:40 PM
My Sendero has a trigger pull of right at 6 lbs 10 onzes. I am sure the lawyer for Remington would be proud if he read that.

You know they are adjustable and there are several postings about on how to do it. Hit google with remington 700 trigger adjustment and you will likely find it.

I hate to say it, but I am to lazy to adjust mine. I just chose other rifles to shoot.

Smoke
December 19, 2004, 10:37 AM
Define "not sighted in"

It would have to be a god-awful, inconsistant trigger pull to not be able to get evenrespectable groups off a bench and 100yrds or so.

Smoke

Peter M. Eick
December 19, 2004, 09:34 PM
By the way, My 25-06 sendero will put 5 shots inside a dime at 100 yards with factory Remington ammo.

Partyguy816
December 19, 2004, 10:01 PM
Ok, but I did ask what the factory trigger pull was.
Should I get it worked on or get an aftermarket trigger.

I know that it is either the hard tigger or the scope. One or the other. But the question still is about the trigger.

Flinter
December 19, 2004, 10:09 PM
Remington triggers are pretty good, they just set them too high at the factory. Any gunsmith can make the adjustment for you in about 5 minutes. The guy I use charges 8 dollars to give you any pound pull you want. Mine's set for 2 and a half. That's as light as I'd like to go on a hunting rifle.

Partyguy816
December 20, 2004, 04:33 PM
Well I decided to just get them to work on the factory trigger. I was told that it would void the warranty on the rifle, but it's already a year old and the only thing that I can see that could go wrong is simple stuff. I tired a trigger that he just took down on another remington that was set at 3lbs. It was pretty good. If aftermarket triggers didn't cost so much I probably would have went that route so I could get the 1 1/2 lbs trigger, but this will work for now. I have having them re mount the scope, maybe I have a mount that worked loose or something and didn't know about it. It did shoot ok when I first got it, but after that it just went down hill and then just sat in the safe.

schromf
December 20, 2004, 04:46 PM
I have a new Remmie, and the trigger is not much but better than yours. I am geting about .45 MOA with that trigger on 10 round groups, I bugger up an occasional shot with a flyer when I am doing 10 rounds, but 4-5 inches isn't a trigger issue, unless its user related, which I don't suspect.

What kind of groups are you getting? Stringing? Shotgun pattern? Is there any pattern to them?

First simple item is have you had the rifle out of the stock? If so did you retorque your screws properly when you put it back together. Second are you sure your scope mounts and rings are not moving? Third if you suspect your scope, change it out with another and see if the problem remains.

Also check with a dollar bill and make your stock is actually free floated and not rubbing somewhere on the barrel.

Timney and Shilen do great triggers for Model 700's and I am not going to fiddle with mine just replace it, I figure its not much more expensive in the longrun, and it is simple to replace and adjust thereafter.

Partyguy816
December 20, 2004, 05:35 PM
Thanks Schromf for your post. Let me see if I can answer everything here. As for the groupings I really can't tell you. I bought this gun new last year and put a box of bullets through it trying to sight it in. Bear with me, this may be a long post. I would put one through it and I would mark it with a red marker so I would know exactlly where I shot at. I shot again and the group was ok I guess. I can't remember what it was. I figured that I moved or something. Well I shot it again, but I also moved the scope down and to the right. Well it seemed like it was all down hill from there. The pattern started looking like a shotgun shooting buckshot at the target. I got frustrated and quit shooting at the time. :fire: I did however get the groups in about 3 inches or so at 100 yards later on in the afternoon and left it there. I took it hunting one time and shot a buck in the neck. Of course this is the part that most people would leave out. I wasn't aiming for the neck. :banghead: I was actually aiming behind the shoulder and I pegged him right behind the head. He had his head downward some and was at a slow to medium walk when I decided the shot was clear to take. Lucky shot I guess. The only way that I know I messed this shot up is because he was 175 yards from me and I didn't have anything to lean against. I was free handing a 10 pound rifle and I suppose it was getting heavy. I never really gave it a second look after that shot because I had so many other guns to hunt with and the Sendero just sat in the safe until now. I never really did like that trigger, but other people will probably disagree with me.

I did have the stock off once before all the shooting started to have a look a the trigger to see if it was adjustable, but I did tighten everything up after that. I am about 98% sure that the scope rings are tight. I had the gun shop install them and bore sight it when I bought it. After shooting it a few times I took them off cleaned them, and put them back on again. I checked them twice to make sure so I doubt that will be the issue. I did take a dollar bill and check the stock out and everything went smoothly without touching anything. I do have a spot in the left side of the stock that is very close to touching, but it not.

I brought it in to the shop a couple of hours ago to get a trigger job done to it so I should have it back in a couple of days. I am also having them tighten up the front swivel mount because it's working loose some. Probably because of the bipod that I had on there. Maybe in a couple of weeks when the holiday is over and hunting season is over I will have a chance to go out and shoot it again.

Thanks.

schromf
December 20, 2004, 06:25 PM
Ok, this helps. First:

I did have the stock off once before all the shooting started to have a look a the trigger to see if it was adjustable, but I did tighten everything up after that.

Thats not good enough on these Remingtons, they need to be torqued back down with around 40 inch pounds ( not this is NOT foot pounds !!!don't overtorque !!!). These rifles a very sensistive to this when pillar bedded, this doesn't account for your really rotten groups but this alone can open groups up to 2.5 MOA.

Next ditch the bipod for the time being, just something else in the mix that can go wrong. Get your rifle shooting right then put it back on.

Pulling your scope out of the rings is a no/no also everytme you do that things change. When you get it back from the trigger work the smith should have torqued it back together...ask him make sure its done.

Then shoot 3 shot groups in one sitting, don't chage point of aim, scope, or even off of the sandbag. Just shot three shots in a row spaced a min or two apart. See what that gets you in group size. If your 2.5 MOA or below there are items we can talk about. If this group is in your 4-5 MOA I suspect scope first, barrel issues second. Do you have a spare scope around? If so swap it
with your Leupold and repeat the three shot group again. I have seen scopes damaged from recoil and they can dance all around, and a 30 mag has a fair amount of recoil.

I do have a spot in the left side of the stock that is very close to touching, but it not. The bipod might be making this worse, making it touch.

You also could have multiple issues on this rifle, don't throw this out the window yet.

One last question is this factory ammo? I actually hate 300 win mags after reloading for them for several years, very tempermental cartridge, very sensitive to component changes, change out anything in your loads even lot numbers and groups go down the tubes. Anyway until you get it sorted out stay on factory ammo, doesn't need to be fancy ammo, cheap stuff is fine, once you get 2 MOA with this ammo you can sort out the sub 1 MOA stuff.

Partyguy816
December 20, 2004, 06:44 PM
No I don't have a spare scope at this time, but I ought to get one for a spare for stuff like this. Yes I am using factory ammo. The only ammo that has ever been in this gun is Hornady SST's. I have had great results in my other guns so I decided to give them a go. I do have a reloading kit, but I haven't started reloading for the .300 at this time. I don't shoot it enough. This .300 doesn't have much recoil at all. I'd say it is something close to a 270 or less. I guess it is because of the extra weight. Bull barrel, scope, etc.... But when I get it out an hunting season's over I'll check take the bipod off and shoot it in 3 shot groups again and see what happens.

Thanks for your help.

Rockstar
December 21, 2004, 03:43 PM
In the early days, before we became such a hyperlitigating society, Remington included trigger adjustment instructions with their bolt rifles that featured adjustable triggers. You don't need to pay a gunsmith to adjust your Remington trigger; it's really simple and requires no special training or talent. You should use a trigger pull gauge of some kind.

I'm not aware of any Remingtons that come from the factory pillar-bedded, but some do feature H-S Precision stocks with aluminum bedding blocks. The H-S Precision stocks require that the action screws are torqued to 65 in/lbs.

The installation of an aftermarket trigger is also something that doesn't require the services of a gunsmith. Easy to follow instructions are included with the trigger, and the only tools needed are a punch and something to tap the punch with.

What kind of Remington shoots .45 m.o.a. for 10 shots, out-of-the-box? I'd like to see that! :)

schromf
December 21, 2004, 04:41 PM
What kind of Remington shoots .45 m.o.a. for 10 shots, out-of-the-box? I'd like to see that!

I have done a write up on it before. But its a .308 with a 5-R milspec barrel.
If I do my part it wil shoot .5 MOA all day. Needs match ammo, but so far Federal, Blackhills, and Hornady are all giving me similar performance. There is a point of impact change when switching ammo types by around .25-.3 MOA.

I am camera disfunctional right now but I have a target on my reloading bench of 2-five shot groups where I switched between Balckhill and Federal match for a composite group of .6 ( + ) MOA, with two groups just touching, with a slight impact change between the ammo types.

I might have just got lucky, and got a real good rifle, but the first day I had that on the range with my gunsmith his comment was " I am impressed and I see a lot of $2K plus custom rifles that don't shoot that well " I didn't have 40 rounds through it and I had already shot a couple of .5 MOA groups. I also have a set of Redding competetion seating dies coming for Xmas and that coupled with a new trigger I think .3 MOA is a real possibility on this rifle. I was also initially going to have the lugs lapped on this rifle, but when my smith checked them they had almost 100% contact. My smith by the way decided he wanted one after seeing mine and they were real limited in prodcution and he hasn't found one at anywhere close to what I paid for mine, and they all seem to have a $300-400 premium on them. Whatever Remington did on this rifle was right, my only two complaints are the J-Lock garbage on the bolt, and the trigger has a real rough spot which unless I am playing very close attention to through a group, will get me a flyer. I chalk that up to me partially though and just needing a better trigger.

Your right mine is a H&S stock, with the aluminuim bedding blocks ( aren't those a pillar? ). Where did you reference your torque spec's? I looked and couldn't find a reference to that yesterday when I posted

stealthmode
December 25, 2004, 05:19 PM
did you check the end of your barrel for damage? i have the same rifle and my trigger pull is pretty nice feeling but i have not shot it yet or measured the pull weight. my friend bought the same rifle also and his trigger feels like cr@p i guess its a crap shoot when it comes to remington triggers.

Rockstar
January 1, 2005, 10:20 PM
Nope, a bedding block isn't a pillar. A pillar is a pillar; a block is a block. :) H-S Precision posts their torque specs for their stocks. It's always been 65 in/lbs.

Partyguy816
January 31, 2005, 09:13 PM
Well folks I would just like to come back to this thread and let you know what happened. I brought it over to the gun smith and he took the trigger down from 6lbs to 3lbs. I was curious about it so I went out to shoot this past weekend and at 50 yards I had 4 bullets touching each other and the last one I shot was almost in the other hole. I couldn't do this before the trigger job so I guess that's all it was. I didn't have a lot of time so all I did was 50 yards. I plan on going out in a few weeks when the ground dries up and sight it in at 100+ yards. I guess the reason I sucked with this trigger so bad is because my Savage is set to go off at or around 1 1/4 lbs. Thanks for everyone's information.

Peter M. Eick
January 31, 2005, 11:05 PM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/25-06target.jpg

5 shots, 100 yards. Stock Remington 25-06 sendero fluted.

I really baddly pulled the high left shot. I totally mis-read the wind read. It was about a 10 to 15 mph gusting wind. It would take a "big" dime or maybe I should have watched the wind a bit better.

The stock Sendero's are pretty darn nice shooters all in all.

schromf
February 5, 2005, 02:00 PM
Peter,

Thanks for the pick, visual proof supporting the accuracy potential in these Remingtons.

I have been working like a communist and haven't had any time since before Christmas, so I have done zero more with my 700 Milspec. Dies have been bought again no time to work with them. So in reality I don't even have this rifle broke in, my guess right now is less than 150 rounds have been fired through the barrel so I consider it still in break in.

I was having difficulty with the occasional flyer like your group. Mine is all trigger issues, I know it has a rough spot on it and I am haveing to pay a lot of attention through the group or I get a flyer. When I am paying that attention I am getting the groups, but it is very easy to mess up. My next step is replacement of the trigger on my rifle, and finish the barrel break in. I was thinking of putting on a Shilen trigger, but I haven't decided on wieght of pull. The real light target triggers ( 2 oz-6 oz ) are too light for any field use, so I am contemplating the 1.5 lb version. Jury is still out on what to buy but trigger is going to happen this spring.

Once I get that settled I am gong to get this rifle shooting the 4 target box. ( shot, right five clicks, shot, down five clicks, shot, left five clicks, shot, up five clicks) I will sum the 4 groups of five shots, and divide by 4. Goal is aggregate group of .5 MOA. Right now I consider this rifle has this potential, and if I get this down to .4 MOA on this I am going to be delighted.

That is my definition of an all day .5 MOA rifle, and I am not going to make any "all day" claims until I get a couple of these twenty round targets. This summer I will get some time and reloads will get into the equation instead of the match ammo I am using right now, that and a new trigger have me hopeful of sub .5 MOA, but its a little early to tell.

Peter are you sure your flyer was wind and not the heavy trigger pull? I have shot a couple of very similar groups and I am convinced its the trigger, as a group right behind one like yours I concentrate on the trigger and the pull and I am dropping the flyer.

Peter M. Eick
February 5, 2005, 08:36 PM
It was gusting pretty good, so I was aiming high left about a 1/2 out. I think I shot just as the wind died so it hit close to aim, yet the rest of the group was shot in the wind.

Maybe it was the trigger, but I am not sure. I really need to adjust the trigger on the thing, but I am pretty lazy and I just had not got around to it.

My concern is releasing the tension on the bolts and not having an in-lbs torque wrench to reset them to the 60 in-lbs it requires.

It is a good rifle. No real complaints other then the trigger. It is a hoot to shoot at the range because it makes me look good!

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