P7M8 - Question about the squeeze cocker


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ether
March 3, 2003, 12:16 AM
I just picked up a P7M8 on Friday. The first thing I noticed was a quirk with the squeeze cocker. If you squeeze it just until it clicks and then pull the trigger, everything is fine. But there is still more room to squeeze after the "click" before the squeeze cocker actually bottoms out. If you hold the squeeze cocker ALL the way back (requires slightly more pressure) and then pull the trigger, something pushes outward on the squeeze cocker. I have to grip the cocker very firmly in order to prevent the cocker from being pushed forward slightly when I pull the trigger. Has anyone else noticed this on their pistol? It's kind of annoying.

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dude
March 3, 2003, 12:25 AM
I've been shooting/owning P7s for 18 years without bieng annoyed or even knowing about such things. Happily shoot a few 1000 rounds and it will not bother you anymore.

bokchoi
March 3, 2003, 02:37 AM
I've never noticed this problem, but this is probably why:

When I squeeze to cock the pistol, I don't maintain any death-grip to keep the firing pin cocked; the P7 requires far less pressure to stay cocked than in the initial first-squeeze sequence. If you cock the pistol, you can loosen your grip to a comfortable state and loosen your hold quite a bit before the gun decocks on you.

That's one of the things I love about my P7... there's always something to love about one of the finest pistols ever made :)

Tamara
March 3, 2003, 09:02 AM
Can't say as I'd noticed it, but like bokchoi, I only grip it firmly enough to keep the squeezer squozed. ;)

Serpico
March 3, 2003, 11:21 AM
Come on over to the cult of the P7 at www.parkcitiestactical.com That and many other questions can be answered....as for me, I never noticed anything like that...

Skunkabilly
March 3, 2003, 11:54 AM
Never noticed. But then I only found out about the little thingy that lets you lock the slide open without a mag yesterday :o

OMG Tamara made a typo??? :eek:

tetchaje1
March 3, 2003, 12:13 PM
OMG Tamara made a typo???

I think that was an intentional typo Skunk... ;)

Pilot
March 3, 2003, 01:10 PM
I have three P7M8's. Only one of them exhibits this trait and its the newest one of the three. Even when I hold the pistol lightly squeezed, I still feel a little forward pressure on the squeeze cocker when I pull the tigger. Its very slight and does not effect accuracy or function. Others have had this occur, but its never been a problem as far as I know.

Tamara
March 3, 2003, 01:20 PM
But then I only found out about the little thingy that lets you lock the slide open without a mag yesterday :o

You will find many mysteries of life revealed if you read the destruction booklet... ;)

NIB
March 3, 2003, 02:29 PM
My M13 from 1994 does this. I just attribute it to a weak grip.:D

ether
March 3, 2003, 02:47 PM
Thanks all. It does take quite a bit more pressure to hold the cocker all the way back, and it's more force than I would normally use shooting. I'm sure I'll get used to it.

Skunkabilly
March 3, 2003, 03:13 PM
Tamara...I'm illiteral...

And it's covered in gun poop.

10-Ring
March 3, 2003, 03:13 PM
I've never noticed this either...hmmm...maybe it's time to shoot her some more & see if there are other quirks I haven't noticed yet :D

read the destruction booklet...

read? Nope, if it's not worth illustrations, I'm moving on :D

CWL
March 3, 2003, 07:22 PM
Once cocked (about 13-14lbs of force on average), a P7 should only require about 3 lbs of force to keep it depressed. Just hold it all the way down.

I think what you are describing is the safety/firing mechanism of the trigger/cocker system. This allows the gun to fire if you keep the trigger depressed and THEN squeeze the cocker.

9mmepiphany
March 3, 2003, 07:39 PM
gosh it is always somthing different...i've never felt this either.

i know the first part of the squeeze is about 13lbs until the first "hump" (sorta like drawing a compound bow) and the pressure required after that is only about 4lbs. i can easily keep the cocker depressed with just the middle finger.

i'll have to go home and check tonight

ajw45
March 4, 2003, 11:51 PM
I never noticed it until I read it on the boards way back but my P7M8 does it too. Now it bothers me :mad:

dude
March 5, 2003, 01:49 AM
.....so, if I'm hearing you correctly

You were happy shooting your P7 until you read something about it, now it bothers you.

You had actually shot the P7 before you read the disturbing news, eh?

cslinger
March 5, 2003, 10:00 AM
Man if I got unhappy shooting my guns just because of negative press I have read I would be really upset with my Colt 1911, which has been flawless and my Ruger P97 which should be having all kinds of problems and isn't.

Mental note, knock on wood.

Chris:D

ajw45
March 6, 2003, 03:45 PM
Hold on there dude... I didn't say I was unhappy with my P7M8... just saying that I hadn't noticed the slight forward pressure until I looked for it, and now that I know its there, its annoying... when I think about it. Now at the range shooting paper or steel, its the farthest thing from my my mind, but when dry firing, it is noticable.

Maybe I'm just anal, but its like having a paint chip on your car, a scratch on your watch, one of those things that no one notices but you. Of course, none of these things take anything away from enjoying them to their fullest or appreciating them...

My P7M10 does not have that forward pressure symptom... but then that blocky brick of a slide bothers me a little...:neener:

dude
March 6, 2003, 05:34 PM
"maybe................"!

I was turned off right away to the M10 when I first got a close look at one. It is a sin to turn such a fine work of art into a clunky brick.

sanchezero
March 6, 2003, 05:38 PM
I'd never paid attention, but it does do this.

I can feel it a bit when I relax to my normal shooting grip also.

I can't imagine it causing any problems. With the exception of 2 POS ammo malf, my P7 has had any problems in its 5-7K round lifespan.

:)

CaesarI
March 6, 2003, 06:51 PM
As mentioned, come on over to Parkcities Tactical. We've got a cult.

As a new P7 owner, I should admonish you that the P7 does not like unjacketed ammunition at all. It will mess up the gas-system, and that will make your P7 unhappy, which will make it disloyal, which will cause it to sleep with other people when you're not home ;)

The squeeze cocker thing sounds very odd. I've taken apart my P7 before, and I will warn you it's a total pain in the butt, but doing this might allow you to figure out what's wrong. Taking apart the squeeze cocker though... isn't anywhere NEAR as frustrating as putting it back together, so be warned.

-Morgan

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