Anyone else hate underlugs?
Topgun
March 3, 2003, 12:14 PM
Whose idea was this? They all seem to think we want a Python. Extra weight can ALWAYS be added. But for the good old carry-around-and-shoot-things kind of use, they are just TOO heavy.
At my age, my wrist also doesn't like a gun that needs a bumper jack to hold up.
Do you REALLY like underlug barrels on non-competition guns?
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MoNsTeR
March 3, 2003, 12:19 PM
I've gotten to where I don't much like them at all, except for aesthetics. I can't understand why people want their guns to be muzzle-heavy, my hold gets steadier when I make the gun lighter.
BigG
March 3, 2003, 12:22 PM
Except for the Python, I think your point is well taken.
charleym3
March 3, 2003, 12:50 PM
I don't exactly hate them, but I don't see much use, unless you are shooting from a rest.
It could be that they are actually cheaper to produce since it would eliminate an additional cutting phase from the barrel manufactured by machining. If the barrel is cast then I can't see a difference.
Old Fuff
March 3, 2003, 12:51 PM
I agree with you. Other then that necessary to nest and protect the extractor rod underlugs should not be unnecessarily heavy or extend to the end of the barrel - unless the barrel length is 3" or less. The idea got started back in the 1940's and 50's when bullseye target shooters and PPC competitors went in for extra-heavy barrels to dampen recoil. For then, this feature was useful, but the rest of us don't need it.
ruger357
March 3, 2003, 01:03 PM
I don't like them on the newer J-frames.
Brian Williams
March 3, 2003, 01:06 PM
I would like to have the under lug milled off of my 586 so it would look similar to a model 19. I would also like to have my trackers milled off.
VictorLouis
March 3, 2003, 01:23 PM
I suppose I can allow for it on a hard-charging .44 Mag N-frame, but otherwise, make mine lug-free.
braindead0
March 3, 2003, 01:32 PM
Hmm, I kinda like the full lug on my 4" gp.. probably would be nasty if it's any longer. Never had any issues with CCW and I don't find the weight to be overbearing.. I do find that my follow up shots with uber hot loads to be much better than, say a 2" snubby.
firestar
March 3, 2003, 01:38 PM
I hate them for carry but for shooting they are great! S&W 586/686 in the 4" bbl with the underlug seem to shoot like a 6" bbl. They really do help dampen recoil and they look cool to boot. Whats not like?:cool:
docbones
March 3, 2003, 01:43 PM
I appreciate the dynamic benefit of the lugged barrels, hoping to decrease somewhat the recoil. However, I would gladly put up with a little more recoil and net the lighter weight of the "regular" contoured barrels. For example, Ruger needs to produce the SP-101 but with a 4-inch normal barrel, much like a recently continued rimfire version. What a great little trail gun that would make.
Docbones
Mike Irwin
March 3, 2003, 02:38 PM
Yes, always have, always will.
Make a graceful revolver look like an O/A shotgun.
Jim March
March 3, 2003, 03:31 PM
Hate 'em :). I can control a lighter barrel better than I can a heavy one.
10-Ring
March 3, 2003, 03:34 PM
The underlug looks cool, but after shooting a gun w/ one for a while, they do get HEAVY! I prefer'em w/o now :)
JohnBT
March 3, 2003, 05:44 PM
No wonder I got such a screaming good deal on that NIB Model 17-6 with a 4-inch barrel and those beautifully grained target stocks.
'Twas the underlug's fault.
John
rock jock
March 3, 2003, 05:54 PM
I like 'em. They look cool, and they help dampen recoil. The exception is on .22's. They are worthless on these guns.
Mannlicher
March 3, 2003, 08:21 PM
I prefer underlugs on my revolvers. Now I have to say, that with revolver barrels longer than 5 inches, I do not want a Smith L frame style full length underlug, but I do like the underlug as comes on a 6" N frame.
Standing Wolf
March 3, 2003, 10:23 PM
I thought under-lugs were silly until I handled a Python the first time.
The older my wrist grows, the less weight it likes; the revolver still has to balance toward the front, however, rather than the rear.
Kahr carrier
March 3, 2003, 10:48 PM
I dont mind them .Heck if you run out of bullets ,you can use it to whack someone in the head with.;)
roscoe
March 4, 2003, 12:03 AM
I may be wrong, but I would imagine they might make the gun more resistant to damage should you drop it, or bang it on something. I would sure hate to bend the ejector rod in the wrong situation.
amprecon
March 4, 2003, 12:25 AM
I do not prefer them, some think it looks cool, but Dirty Harry's model 29 was very cool without one, and he had no problem with accuracy :D
Shane
March 4, 2003, 12:53 AM
I like both. I think underlugs look ugly (I prefer the look of NOT having the underlug), but for long range shooting they tend to help keep the muzzle pointing straight for me. The extra weight also helps with recoil control.
OTOH, the underlugs make balance muzzle heavy--and can tire my arms out quicker from all the weight.
My solution: I have revolvers in both styles. For example, I have 6" revolvers without underlugs, but also 6" revolvers with underlugs. When I need the extra weight, I'll bring one with the underlug. When I want optimum balance and easier to carry, I'll take a revolver without the underlug.
Both work fine for me, each just has a slightly different niche.
stans
March 4, 2003, 06:16 AM
Depends on the revolver. A Colt Python just would not be the same without one, Dan Wesson's look better with a full underlug. S&W's look better without the underlug, but I prefer the little 640 with the underlug. The full underlug does help lessen felt recoil, but they can be a pain to hold at arms length when barrel length exceeds four inches.
Ala Dan
March 4, 2003, 07:21 AM
After being use to the old model Smith & Wesson model
19's for so long; getting use to the full under lugged models
586/686 from Smith & Wesson takes a little getting use to
its-self. However, I am of the belief that it does tame recoil
when firing the HOT 125 grain JHP .357 magnum's. At any
rate, I can certainly live with it!
Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
Topgun
March 4, 2003, 11:08 AM
Someone ought to start boring them out and tapping them with a cap. Add weight if you want. Carry a "survival" match.
Make a LeMat out of it.
G. Glock
March 4, 2003, 01:53 PM
Back in the '70s when I was lusting for a Python (Had three different ones at least), I really liked the underlug; however, I really don't care that much for it these days.
dude
March 4, 2003, 04:50 PM
any of you wacky Dan Wesson fans out there, I like the full under lug and I recently picked up a blue .357 undercut (Dirty Harry style) 4" barrel & shroud in mint-ish shape that I don't need .................and will sell for $80 shipped
a new one is $108 full lug with an extra $40 (!) for the under-cut
PlumberjimC
March 4, 2003, 10:06 PM
Ugly and of no real use that I can see. Don't like SS either, so I guess that makes me a real crumudgeon. Like 'em simple and blue. I'd get a 4" 625, though -- SS or no SS -- if it wasn't for that d*** lug. So I keep haunting the shows for an older blue one without.
notbubba
March 6, 2003, 10:00 PM
I love underlugs.
:p
Robby from Long Island
March 6, 2003, 11:08 PM
My first revolver was a 686 with an 8 3/8" that I purchased new about 12 years ago.
Couldn't wait until I could save up enough for my 629 Classic. Bought that next with an 8 3/8" barrel as well.
Since I only use them for informal target shooting, the extra weight of the underbarrel lug can only be an advantage in dampening recoil.
Safe shooting.
4thHorseman
March 7, 2003, 12:23 AM
Dampens recoil.
V-fib
March 7, 2003, 01:48 AM
FWIW I like them. makes the rev more modern looking. :cool:
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