DAO (concealed hammer) snubbie question.


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Lightsped
December 30, 2004, 09:57 AM
Do the DAO (concealed hammer) snubbies such as the Taurus 650 and S&W 340PD have a different trigger pull as compared to their DA/SA versions of these same guns?

I'd like to get a DAO (concealed hammer) snubbie, but I can not hit anything when shooting my current snubbies in DA mode. So why would I buy a DAO snubbie...

Thanks

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unreal45
December 30, 2004, 10:16 AM
You just need to practice.
If you only shoot your snubs in DA you will learn the trigger.
Pull the trigger slowly and you can feel it lighten up towards the end like a SA trigger pull.

Riflerev
December 30, 2004, 10:34 AM
In actuality the trigger pulls are the same. The manufacturer uses the same springs are for guns with exposed hammers or concealed hammers. The mass of the hammer is centered differently due to the design restrictions. I will agree with the previous post that you may need to shoot the gun (practice) a little more. As a long time revolver shooter and competitor, I am well aware of the differences in single and double action shooting. I have competeed in both IPSC and IDPA competition with revolvers for many years. It does take practice, a lot of it. The smaller (and lighter) the gun, the more difficult it is to master double action shooting.

All that being said, a good gunsmith can install a spring kit, in either of the guns you mention, although I have a decided preference for S&W revolvers (you can do a much better trigger job on a Smith) either one can be "smoothed up"

Connecticut Yankee
December 30, 2004, 10:35 AM
If you buy one and have trouble with DAO you could send it out to Cylinder and Slide or to Clarke. They will "smooth" the action, it will still have the same characterisitcs as you pull the trigger but it is smoother overall, that might help. This may or may not help you but I have found it useful.

This has to be done by a first class 'smith since if done incorrectly (poorly honed or cutting coils off a spring) you get into reliablitiy problems, the hammer strike is too light to ignite some primers.

Good Luck.

Swamprabbit
December 30, 2004, 10:39 AM
For safety reasons, I set out many years ago to restrict myself to DA only shooting for revolvers. Though I don't claim to be any expert, I can safely say it does take practice and lots of it. I would recommend that you try to stock up on light loads and focus on practicing. I have a S&W 642 and though it shoots about 3" to the left at 25yds, I can quite consistently knock down my 6" plates at 25yds with it. Plenty good enough for me for what I bought the gun for.

geekWithA.45
December 30, 2004, 10:53 AM
Snubbies aren't easy guns to shoot well, they take practice.

You've got a demanding trigger, with a completely different rythm than an autoloader, a very short sight radius, and not a whole lot of mass to soak up recoil.


Ritually unload, and practice dry firing, a lot.

If feasible, balance a penny on the sight, and practice until you can cause the hammer to drop without knocking the penny off.

An alternative is to rubber band a $10 laser pointer to the barrel, and dry fire until the dot stays within 1/2 inch of where it started from on the wall across the room.

WT
December 30, 2004, 10:54 AM
The trigger pulls are the same.

However, a J-frame snubby is not the easiest gun in the world to learn how to shoot quickly and accurately. Some consider snubby J-frames to be guns for 'experts'.

Revolver double action shooting is a learned skill. One is not born with the expertise. Good instruction and practice is required.

Joe Mamma
December 30, 2004, 11:51 AM
Lightsped, you're not the only one with those thoughts. This is the gun for you:

http://www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/store/index.php3?cat=293560&sw_activeTab=1

It's double action and single action but, it's got a "shrouded" hammer which is 99% concealed. There is just enough hammer exposed to be able to thumb the hammer back and shoot it single action if you want.

Joe Mamma

Riflerev
December 30, 2004, 02:50 PM
I couldn't agree with Connecticut Yankee more. If anyone (Including someone who wants to call himself a gunsmith) suggest that you cut ANY springs, listen to their spiel, then get out of there.

I couldn't stress this any more:

NEVER, NEVER cut a spring.

I have been performing action jobs on S&W revolvers for years. I have never cut a spring. I was trained by a departmental armorer who was trained at the S&W factory. He did all the action work on the weapons carried by the officers of the department, and he did the custom work on the guns used by their shooting team. Yes, I was blessed to learn from an experienced gunsmith. I have never forgotten what he taught me. This was one of his primary ules. Since that time, I have had the pleasure of knowing several other top notch gunsmiths. They all agree on this point.

happy old sailor
December 30, 2004, 04:06 PM
i feel i have no reason to shoot my snubbies at extended ranges. BGs are mostly be in your face. i practice double action at 2 to 5 yards, using a silhoutte target. in my mind this is more realistic, of the situation and my abilities. if i want a target revolver, i will break out something with a long snout. got a belly gun, shoot at belly ranges. this is not to say forego plenty of practice. jhmo

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