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Hardtarget
March 3, 2003, 08:20 PM
...great opportunity! I got to ignore both of them at one time!
Now how often does that happen!? It really chaps me to see that kind of junk on T.V. so it just wasn't even on. My wife likes to watch Oprah most of the time. Today she didn't want to see it either! cool.
Mark.

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Jeeper
March 3, 2003, 08:27 PM
I watched it just to see what kind of crap was being spewed. MM basically blamed all crime on Suburban white men. According to him whites are super paranoid which causes them to buy guns that then are stolen by whites and taken into the inner city where they are used for crime. It was really bafeling how much crap was being expelled

Minute_Of_Torso
March 3, 2003, 09:30 PM
I was impressed by how down-to-earth and all-American MM was. Why, he was an NRA junior member and a marksmanship champion!

Sorry, that's all I heard before I dove for the remote, smacked my head on the corner of the couch and went blissfully unconcious.

goon
March 3, 2003, 09:50 PM
Caught part of it one other time..
I still don't see the connection between my legal firearms and a couple of *ickheads that felt the need to go and kill a bunch of unarmed people just for the fun of it.
The part where the guy goes to a bank and gets the free rifle is my favorite.
How does going and getting a legal firearm that you have to pass a background check for (hence, you are about as clean as anybody can be), have anything to do with a school shooting?
I'm sorry about this. I need to apologize to all of those liberals out there.
I am sure that all of this logical thinking is causing you pain.

HABU
March 3, 2003, 09:52 PM
What a putz MM is. Having never seen him before, I tuned in to see what he is all about. He is as pithy as can be. :barf:

He shows up on natl. TV wearing tennis shoes, jeans, blue sports coat, blue shirt with an unbuttoned collar and a loose tie!:barf: Whats with his funky beard? I'd sooner shave myself and walk backwards than wear a beard like that.

He can produce and direct a mocumentary, but he can't spell caucasian?:rolleyes: He reminds me of the guy that told me "ahnt ignant".

He went to a bank and "opened an account" to get a free rifle. Did you guys in Michigan go score a rifle from the bank? I wonder what the requirements for getting the rifle really were. Surely it wasn't as easy as merely "opening an account". At any rate, he gets his rifle and throws it up to his shoulder and made his Jr. NRA instructor proud by having his finger on the trigger.:what:

Lots of skewed stats and misinformation. I do have to give him credit for showing some Michigan Melitia members, though. They were the only ones with any smarts.

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Combat-wombat
March 3, 2003, 10:58 PM
The problem with michael moore and other anti groups is they use weird, twisted logic. Our idea is simple: the more easily you can defend yourself, the safer you are from criminals. On the other hand, anti-gunners think... well I don't even know what they think, but it's something like if there are less guns, a criminal will be in a non violent environment, so he will realize that violence is not the way, turn his guns in, and go to work for Dominos Pizza. It's like our logic is x=y, but their logic is x+z(2)/n+3b-[54z(29x)+9m]=y in some cases, but in others t will substitute n, then m(t) times the cube root of 47 will maybe =y. If not, then we're all screwed.

wQuay
March 3, 2003, 11:17 PM
He and Oprah really ran with the assumption that guns are ONLY to be used as weapons. I'm sorry, but my family and I enjoy guns in a way that has nothing to do with a "culture of fear."

jmbg29
March 3, 2003, 11:17 PM
Sorry, that's all I heard before I dove for the remote, smacked my head on the corner of the couch and went blissfully unconcious.LMFAO :D :D :D :D :D

jmbg29
March 3, 2003, 11:20 PM
It's like our logic is x=y, but their logic is x+z(2)/n+3b-[54z(29x)+9m]=y in some cases, but in others t will substitute n, then m(t) times the cube root of 47 will maybe =y. If not, then we're all screwed.You're killin' me! LMAO :D :D :D :D

Hardtarget
March 3, 2003, 11:30 PM
I knew the kind of reaction I'd see here! Yes, sometimes you need to actually see and hear the "mental pornography" thats out there...but it makes me :barf: Combat-wombat...thats some hard math you put out there...but I think you've really got it figured right! Hope you keep after 'em...they'll never get ahead of you!
Mark.

Mastrogiacomo
March 3, 2003, 11:31 PM
I get a little tired with self serving celebs. Oprah doesn't need my money and frankly I can't be bothered to watch. She's always trying to improve my life -- give me some of the money -- that'll improve it greatly.:neener:

CZ-75
March 3, 2003, 11:40 PM
What other celebrity has made a billion dollars peddling horse excrement the way Oprah has?:barf:

Bahadur
March 4, 2003, 12:42 AM
HABU:
He went to a bank and "opened an account" to get a free rifle. Did you guys in Michigan go score a rifle from the bank? I wonder what the requirements for getting the rifle really were. Surely it wasn't as easy as merely "opening an account".Correct. While the bank does give a rifle in lieu of interests, the transaction is handled by an FFL like a sale. The scene in the "documentary" was... staged.

Elmer Snerd
March 4, 2003, 01:21 AM
The bank gun incident was staged.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1209/059.html

More Moore links:

http://www.moorewatch.com
http://www.spinsanity.org/post.html?2002_11_24_archive.html#85712328
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1102/1102columbine.htm
http://www.moviemartyr.com/2002/bowlingforcolumbine.htm
http://reason.com/hod/bd101802.shtml
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/831ojymx.asp
http://www.reason.com/0301/co.bd.rant.shtml
http://www.leftwatch.com/articles/2002/000117.html
http://www.theovangogh.nl/Bowling.html
http://www.topica.com/lists/dadl-ot/read/message.html?mid=802805017
http://www.andrewsullivan.com/main_article.php?artnum=20021208

Sven
March 4, 2003, 02:31 AM
Another Moore link... his forum... OOPS, not running anymore:

The Michael Moore Forum will be down for technical reasons until further notice. We apologize for any inconvenience.

Any place the light of truth tries to break through, they draw the curtain tighter.

dinosaur
March 4, 2003, 08:06 AM
My g/f watches Opie once in awhile. Unfortunately she thinks she needs to tell me some of the important stuff Opie has to say.:banghead: My eyes just glaze over and I go into the fetal position. Thumb optional.

Yesterday I was setting up to watch a DVD. Opie is on channel 3 here and of course the TV has to be tuned to 3. I had no pic but did have the sound on while I was putting in the disc. I hear a voice talking about how white people are scared of black people while his biggest traumas were caused by whites. He got fired by a white guy, some project got cancelled by a white guy etc. Who here over the age of 40 hasn`t been fired at one time or another? How can this bag of wind walk around anywhere without being paranoid?:rolleyes: I turned on the DVD secure in the knowledge Opie was lapping up being patronized by this putz.:cuss:

enichols
March 4, 2003, 08:48 AM
... yet another reason I haven't watched television in months. Since I quit watching TV, those tension headaches I used to get have mysteriously vanished...

whoami
March 4, 2003, 09:02 AM
Hi! I'm an elitist, racists, evil, scummy, slave owning clansman...or at least, that's what Mike Moore says...

:rolleyes:

I found it rather funny, the entire segment with the one author, talking about how the media was drumming up all these useless fears and paralyzing the populace with their broad, incorrect, and over-the-top presentation of them.....and I couldn't help but laugh at the delicious irony.

JMLV
March 4, 2003, 09:57 AM
cartoon history of the Us made me ill. also tring to link the NRA with the KKK the hight of liberal lies

Mal H
March 4, 2003, 10:13 AM
I agree JMLV. Boiling down over 200 years of a very complicated subject such as US history in a 3 minute cartoon with only one obvious agenda was way way over the line. But then to have Oprah drooling and gushing about how good that segment was just bashed the "line" into an unrecognizable bit of pulp. But, on the other hand, it is good to know that one self-serving slob knows the answer to life, the universe and everything, and he can prove it with a cartoon. :barf:

TonyB
March 4, 2003, 10:54 AM
Moore is an example of one of those guys you went to schoolwith who never got a date,and now tries to come accross as actually knowing something when is actaully ignorant.He is a dangeous man ,because a lot of people will listen to him because he's on TV.He needs to be stopped!!:mad:

cratz2
March 4, 2003, 12:51 PM
I didn't see it on Oprah (as I NEVER see ANYTHING on Oprah!) but I watched it a few weeks back (via DSL)

I don't want to sound like I'm defending him... but he does have a couple points. They are completely unsupported points, but points none the less. The US has lots of crime regardless of our embracing of guns has anything to do with it or not. I liked his point on Windsor, Canada vs Detriot. I did not like his interview with Mr Heston at all but then I didn't like Mr. Heston and the NRA showing up in Littleton immediately after the killings there and in Flint, Michigan after the Buell Elementary shooting. Completely tasteless on both counts.

I think one of MMs best points points right back at himself... the negativity in the media. Everything or anything to scare viewers: killer bees, poisoned or razor blade-filled candy, killer foxes, killer escelators, killer sharks now to the point where there are general 'scare alerts' that may or may not be solidly founded.

556A2
March 4, 2003, 01:04 PM
I watched it yesterday and wanted to puke. He did not get anyone to really defend the 2nd ammendment except a MILITIA group, and Terry Nichols brother..... very unbiased :cuss: . Yeah, and I really agree that I don't have anything to fear in this world either, its just the media :barf: .

davera
March 4, 2003, 01:14 PM
I forced myself to watch it. While I usually have no specific dislike of Oprah (there's a few good points there) but it was bothersome that she did not challenge Moore on any item... especially his comments that racism is the prime motivator of almost everything. He is so sure that white people are the scourge of the earth that he makes the comment that black men are the most frequent victims of crime but not acknowlege that other black men are the most often committing those crimes.

Moore clearly has a specific world view and a grudge. Everything he says or does is meant to further sell his twisted view of the world. He has an ax to grind and the fury to turn the wheel.

I didn't see the bank clip but, I especially liked his vignette with Terry Nichols brother as an "ordinary fear filled gun nut" (nice editorial choice I must admit). But, his off camera commentary when he was supposedly viewing the "44 mag under the pillow" went unchallenged. How do we know if it was true that Nichols was "waving the 44 around and pointing at his head with the hammer cocked"?

Moore can be as big an idiot as he wishes and say whatever he wants, it is a free country. But I truly hate that his words are taken as truth and not refuted on any TV appearance I have seen him on (60 Minutes is the other)

megatronrules
March 4, 2003, 01:52 PM
Let us not forget that the columbine shooters were suplied with guns one of the shooters girlfriends bought for them. She was never charged with a single crime to my knowledge. Now maybe I'am wrong here but she bought two minors guns that were used to kill 13 people. In my opinion she should be in jail period! Her saying she had no idea of what they were planning is a mute point. She broke the law and nothing happens to her.

I don't feel this has a damn thing to do with me a law abiding person whos never even had a speeding ticket owning a gun. Perhaps if there was one good citizen at columbine w/a gun that awful day thair rampage would've been ended before it started., we'll never know now though. On one last point the shooters diddn't care about the gun free school zone laws did they?

JMLV
March 5, 2003, 12:15 AM
The girlfriend bought a handgun and sold it to her boyfriend who becouse he was 18 (NOT A MINOR BY THE WAY) not 21 and couldn't buy it from a dealer. private sales apprently were legal. Neither of the boys had a criminal record which would preclude them from purchacing firearms.
In fact they had legually purchaced the long guns used in the shooting.
Lets face it until they committed this act of mass murder they had NEVER BEEN CONVICTED OF ANY FELONY'S AND WERE LEGAL TO OWN AND USE FIREARMS!!!
Sometimes there is nothoing you can do until after the fact. Perhaps had the school and the teachers done something to address the harassment of the two killers by the other students it could have worked out differently. But until this (and the other shooting occured it was not considered PC to tey and stop the bulling of weaker smaller students. they were expected to just suck it up and live woith it. Apprently a couple of them had enough and attempted to resolve it in the wrong fashion. BUT if they haddent would bullying have gotton the attention it currently has now? Or would it still continue unabated to this day(Like I am sure it still does in many places - at least until the next school shooting)

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