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January 4, 2005, 07:33 PM
California Bans a Large-Caliber Gun, and the Battle Is On
By CAROLYN MARSHALL

Published: January 4, 2005


SAN FRANCISCO, Jan. 3 - California has become the first state to ban a powerful .50-caliber long-range rifle that gun control advocates portray as a military firearm that could easily fall into the hands of terrorists bent on assassination or shooting down an airplane.

Under the ban, which was signed into law by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in September and took effect on Jan. 1, it is now illegal to manufacture, sell, distribute or import a weapon known as the .50-caliber BMG, or Browning machine gun rifle, a single-shot weapon widely used not only by law enforcement officers and the military but, more recently, by civilian sport shooters as well.

The new law limits possession to those who already own the rifle; they have until April 30, 2006, to register it or face a misdemeanor charge.

Gun rights advocates fear that the California legislation will prompt other states to follow - similar efforts have been undertaken in New York, Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts and Virginia, but have failed - and enthusiasts are already devising ways to alter the gun and so circumvent the law without breaking it.

Another result of the law is that in the weeks before it took effect, people rushing to buy the limited supplies of .50 BMG's descended on gun shops throughout California. Now that it is in force, some of the gun's out-of-state makers and distributors have threatened not to sell any of their firearms or services here.

"We all think it's the first step toward banning sniper rifles," said Michael Fournier, owner of the Gun Exchange, a shop in San Jose. "They keep chipping away a little at a time. Eventually they'll try to get them all."

A lawyer for the California Rifle and Pistol Association, a lobby that fought the legislation, said that for the first time gun control advocates had managed "to demonize" a firearm that gun proponents and lawmaker allies say has never been used to commit a crime in the United States.

The lawyer, Chuck Michel, said the .50 BMG, which weighs 30 pounds and can cost $2,000 to $8,000, was typically bought by collectors, shooting range enthusiasts and skilled competitors.

"Criminals don't carry around very pricey, very heavy rifles," Mr. Michel said. "They want handguns they can conceal."

The .50 BMG rifle, patented in 1987 by Barrett Firearms Manufacturing of Murfreesboro, Tenn., was designed as a sniper weapon for law enforcement and the military; it was widely used by American troops during the Persian Gulf war of 1991.

Manufacturers say the rifle is accurate at a range of up to 2,000 yards, more than a mile. It fires bullets five and a half inches long described as powerful enough to rip through armor, much less the thin aluminum skin that covers commercial airliners.

"They can pierce the skin of an aircraft," said Daniel R. Vice, a lawyer with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a central supporter of the law. "It could be used to shoot down an airplane. And we certainly don't want to wait until a terrorist buys one before we ban it."

The legislation's author, Assemblyman Paul Koretz, a Democrat from West Hollywood, concedes that street criminals would most likely view the .50 BMG as too much gun for the typical robbery or drive-by shooting. Rather, the law is intended to help keep the weapon out of the hands of "terrorists, general nut cases and survivalists," Mr. Koretz said, citing government reports suggesting that it had been used in assassinations overseas and that at least 25 had been bought by Osama bin Laden.

Mr. Michel, the lawyer for the gun rights group, said that adopting the ban in the name of fighting terrorism was without merit.

"The terrorist can get a nuclear dirty bomb or a shoulder-mounted rocket launcher," he said. "The .50-caliber is just a peashooter in comparison."

But while there is no conclusive evidence that the .50 BMG rifle has ever been used in the United States to commit a felony, it has nonetheless been seized from American criminals' arsenals. A 1999 briefing paper from the General Accounting Office, predecessor of the Government Accountability Office, Congress's investigative arm, said, "We have established a nexus to terrorist groups, outlaw motorcycle gangs, international drug cartels, domestic drug dealers, religious cults, militia groups, potential assassins and violent criminals."

A side effect of the new law is the ill will it has instilled toward Mr. Schwarzenegger among gun rights advocates. Many of them supported him for governor, and maintain that his signing the legislation was an act of betrayal.

"You know what we call him?" said Jerry Sloan, assistant manager of Precision Arms, a shop in Escondido. "Benedict Arnold."

Terri Carbaugh, a spokeswoman for the governor, said Mr. Schwarzenegger, a Republican, had made his position clear during his campaign.

"It's a military-type weapon," Ms. Carbaugh said of the .50 BMG, "and he believes the gun presents a clear and present danger to the general public."

Just a couple of points in conclusion:

Even for California legislators, this Paul Koretz has hit a new low in oozing lies, but that is about what one expects from the majority of California's legislators.

As for the governor's spokeswoman, and her It's a "military type weapon", ye gads, what would she think of a BOLT ACTION RIFLE CHAMBERED FOR THE 30-06 CARTRIDGE.

Re comment from Michael Fournier, and his ".. it's the first step toward banning sniper rifles", WRONG!! It's simply more California Baloney directed toward banning firearms per se. Re Sniper Rifles, when I shot National Match Course competition, I sometimes used a Model 70 Winchester, chambered for the 30-06 round. Shooting 1000 yard matches, which at one time, I did a fair amount of, I sometimes used a scope sight, though I preferred to shoot iron sights. I've always been curious as to this "sniper rifle" malarkey. Did my old Model 70 Course Gun become something unusual and or "special" a Sniper Rifle when I put a scope on it, changing back to being a mere rifle when I changed back to "irons"? It's not my intention to enter a "pissing match" with Mr. Fournier, but I continue to wonder as to when people who certainly should know better, will start speaking plain English, calling a spade what it is?

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Sindawe
January 4, 2005, 07:40 PM
"They can pierce the skin of an aircraft," said Daniel R. Vice, a lawyer with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a central supporter of the law. "It could be used to shoot down an airplane. And we certainly don't want to wait until a terrorist buys one before we ban it."

Yea? So what? The fine fun loving guys on Mythbusters have already demonstrated that simply piercing the skin of an aircraft, even one flying at 30,000 ft, is not gonna make the thing fall to pieces or suck the passengers out the hole. As for shooting down an aircraft, well the thing weighs what, 20-30 lbs? I'd like to meet the shooter who can lead an aircraft with one of those, even at close range, fire and cycle the action to get another shot off.

Oh, wait, thats right. Logic and reason are unknown the the Brady Bunch. :banghead:

ACP
January 4, 2005, 07:46 PM
I hope the incoming NRA president uses this idiocy as a PR example of illogical, extreme firearms fear run amuck.

What's next on the state's "too much" list: Corvettes ?

kel
January 4, 2005, 10:35 PM
Won't 9MM pierce the skin of an aircraft

natedog
January 4, 2005, 11:00 PM
You could probably pierce aircraft grade aluminum with a pick axe.

R.H. Lee
January 4, 2005, 11:05 PM
"They can pierce the skin of an aircraft," said Daniel R. Vice, a lawyer with the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a central supporter of the law Limousine. He meant to say "They can pierce the skin of a limousine." That's what he's worried about.

Standing Wolf
January 4, 2005, 11:25 PM
...the law is intended to help keep the weapon out of the hands of "terrorists, general nut cases and survivalists," Mr. Koretz said...

Not to mention commoners.

Art Eatman
January 4, 2005, 11:28 PM
California seems to be full of people with solutions searching for problems.

Some 40 years ago, my father commented, "Everything bad starts in California." I've seen no reason to gainsay that comment...

Art

Daemon688
January 5, 2005, 12:43 AM
I liked how they worked "machine gun" into there.

DelayedReaction
January 5, 2005, 01:30 AM
Rather, the law is intended to help keep the weapon out of the hands of "terrorists, general nut cases and survivalists," Mr. Koretz said, citing government reports suggesting that it had been used in assassinations overseas and that at least 25 had been bought by Osama bin Laden.

And who gets to decide who's a gun enthusiast, and who's a "gun nut case" or a "survivalist"? And what the heck is a survivalist that makes them so evil that we need to waste tax dollars protecting our children from them?

mbs357
January 5, 2005, 01:46 AM
Exaclty.
Hurry up and ban it from your state, that way terrorists all over the world won't be able to buy it.
Newbs.
By the way, wouldn't it take a very good shot to shoot down a 747 with one of these?
The distance would be great, the speed of the 747 would be great...
What would they hit that would make it go down quickly? Fuel tanks or engines?
Not to mention finding a suitable position to fire one upwards towards a plane.
I just don't see them as anti aircraft weapons.
I liked how they worked "machine gun" into there.
The rifles shoot .50 BMG, the BMG stands for Browning Machine Gun. Just the name of the bullet.

another okie
January 6, 2005, 06:05 PM
That's funny, "pierce the skin of an airplane." You can pierce the skin of an airplane with a pocket knife.

LadySmith
January 6, 2005, 06:14 PM
25 had been bought by Osama bin Laden.
So, they've banned them from Californians who've done nothing wrong with them to prevent terrorists who already have them from using them? Excuse me...
:banghead: :cuss: ARRRGGGHHHH! :cuss: :banghead:

Devonai
January 6, 2005, 06:38 PM
It fires bullets five and a half inches long...

Maybe if you load the cartridge into a crossbow. :rolleyes:

Despite a few factual errors, this is actually a pretty balanced article.

Sergeant Bob
January 6, 2005, 06:55 PM
Limousine. He meant to say "They can pierce the skin of a limousine." That's what he's worried about.

Court adjourned!

rick_reno
January 6, 2005, 06:58 PM
25 had been bought by Osama bin Laden.

Right - with OUR tax dollars. The US govt supplied "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan with Barrett 50 caliber rifles to fight the Russians. The story is online at Barrett Rifles - read it here. (http://www.barrettrifles.com/news/ltr_laden.htm)

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