[squire]

TOWN 'N COUNTRY - Arnold Klotsch was known in his Timberlane neighborhood as the guy willing to help anybody.
He took in stray dogs. He took neighborhood children to the park.
One day he even walked to a neighbor's house with an air compressor after noticing his neighbor's car tires were low.
On Saturday, it was that willingness to be helpful that ended his life.
The 45-year-old Town 'N Country man was found slain Saturday night behind the Albertsons liquor store at West Hillsborough Avenue and Memorial Highway.
Investigators speculate Klotsch saw two robbers coming out of the store just after 10 p.m. and followed them with his car to the back of the building.
That's when one of the robbers turned, fired two shots and killed Klotsch in his car, said Sgt. Alan Hill, spokesman for the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.
Klotsch was there to pick up his wife, Denise, 47, who was getting off work as a cashier in the adjacent Albertsons grocery store.
Hill said the same men robbed a Speedway gas station at 6211 N. Dale Mabry Highway on Wednesday. Deputies linked the two robberies by using the stores' surveillance tapes.
Hill said the men were armed with handguns and took an undisclosed amount of cash from a liquor store clerk.
Deputies are looking for two slender men between 5 feet 10 inches and 6 feet tall. They wore gray hooded sweatshirts and are black or Hispanic.
On Sunday, Denise Klotsch said they never worried about her working until 10 p.m. Her husband often joked that he missed her complaining and said the house was too quiet, she said.
``They took something from me that I'll never have for the rest of my life,'' she said. ``He definitely loved his kids, and he loved me, for sure, too.''
The Klotsches, married for 24 years, met at a New Year's Eve party 25 years ago. In May, the family moved to Tampa from Wisconsin. Since then, he worked as a foreman at F&S Frame and Trim, a Palm Harbor custom home building company.
``The night I met him was the night I stayed with him forever, until last night,'' she said.
She said her husband liked to play the harmonica and hunt; he fished, but only because she enjoyed it.
His other love was his turquoise and chrome Harley-Davidson. He got the bike from his dad 25 years ago but couldn't afford to keep it running until his children got older.
For years, the bike sat disassembled in the dining room. One year it was decorated as the Christmas tree, his wife said.
Co-worker Van Powell, 27, of Holiday said Arnold Klotsch was a great boss. They car- pooled to work.
Powell's wife, Peggie, dropped Van off at Klotsch's house, and the two would ride to work together in a company truck that had ``Arnie'' detailed on the driver's door.
``You just don't meet people like that nowadays,'' Powell said. ``I never saw him in a bad mood.''
Just hours before the shooting, the two finished repainting the motorcycle's transmission.
``He just got it running perfect. That was his toy,'' he said.
Next-door neighbor Ed Taylor, a 12-year Timberlane resident, described Klotsch as an outgoing neighbor in an area where most people keep to themselves.
Taylor remembered the day Klotsch strolled over with an air compressor because he didn't want Taylor to be late for work.
``He was the guy who was willing to help anybody,'' he said. ``He was the newest guy here, but it seemed like he had been here forever. He was [a] very peaceful guy.''

http://news.tbo.com/news/MGAV5YKVTCD.html

[blades67]

Sometimes it is the smallest mistake that exacts the highest toll.:(

[P95Carry]

That is incredibly sad .......... and I guess (or assume) he didn't carry ... coulda made all the difference.:mad:

[dodgegirl54435]

hi, my name is amy klotsch
Im Arnies daughter.
He was the worlds greatest dad and he really would have done anyhthng for anyone.

He left me behind my two younger sisters and my little brother
he didnt carry a gun
he moved from northern wisconsin we didnt need guns there

[10MMGary]

Hello Amy,
I live in Brandon and remember your fathers case very well. He certainly seem like a wonderful man and a great father. I hope time makes you and your siblings loss less painful and good memories will help you all through your lives.
Gary
hi, my name is amy klotsch
Im Arnies daughter.
He was the worlds greatest dad and he really would have done anyhthng for anyone.

He left me behind my two younger sisters and my little brother
he didnt carry a gun
he moved from northern wisconsin we didnt need guns there

[palerider1]

hi, my name is amy klotsch
Im Arnies daughter.
He was the worlds greatest dad and he really would have done anyhthng for anyone.

He left me behind my two younger sisters and my little brother
he didnt carry a gun
he moved from northern wisconsin we didnt need guns there


Amy,
I am sorry for your loss. I lost my dad to a sudden heart attack when he was only 54. These kinds of things are something that you can never be prepared for, and it seems like it cant be true. I wish you and your family the best of luck and will say a little prayer that God will help your family get through this rough time. How old are you and your siblings? Noticed your name is dodgegirl....i like dodges too, i have an 04 3500 ram diesel truck.
you will get through this:)

[dodgegirl54435]

Im 25 my sisters are 22 19 and my brother14.

They are having a hearing on feb 13th for his murder for one of the guys who killed my dad .

We will see what happenes then This march will be 3 years he will be gone. The pain never goes away, The pain never does either. Especially in my case where i hadnt seen him in a year because i was still living in wisconsin lot of wishing on what i may have been able to say
Amy

[dodgegirl54435]

i just also wanted to add that dad didnt go after the guys that were robbing the liqour store. He was driving by the liqour store in order to go albertsons to pick up my mom. She got off work at 10 and he always left a little early and drove around the parking lot rather then take up a parking spot in front of the store in case there was someone that needed the parking spot. He always did that even back home in wisconsin

[palerider1]

Im 25 my sisters are 22 19 and my brother14.

They are having a hearing on feb 13th for his murder for one of the guys who killed my dad .

We will see what happenes then This march will be 3 years he will be gone. The pain never goes away, The pain never does either. Especially in my case where i hadnt seen him in a year because i was still living in wisconsin lot of wishing on what i may have been able to say
Amy

I remember the last time i spoke with my dad. i was on the phone with him and my boss(at the time) came in with a problem i had to handle. i said i gotta go, the next day he was dead and i never got that last chance to say, i love you dad. for years after that i would think hey i have to call dad, only to remember a half second later that he was gone. I try to tell my kids everytime i walk out the door that i love them, and i give them all big hugs(even my 20 year old son)

Hopefully they will convict this man (if he is the guilty one)

[The-Fly]

my sympathies to you Amy.

[dodgegirl54435]

Im 25 my sisters are 22 19 and my brother14.

They are having a hearing on feb 13th for his murder for one of the guys who killed my dad .

We will see what happenes then This march will be 3 years he will be gone. The pain never goes away, The pain never does either. Especially in my case where i hadnt seen him in a year because i was still living in wisconsin lot of wishing on what i may have been able to say
Amy

[P95Carry]

Amy - thank you for joining us here and posting.

I think I can say for many of us - our hearts reach out to you - we can identify in so many ways. Stay as strong as you can.

[Standing Wolf]

...he always left a little early and drove around the parking lot rather then take up a parking spot in front of the store in case there was someone that needed the parking spot.

One guy in a thousand? One guy in ten thousand? Incredible.

[dodgegirl54435]

i guess i am missing your point on that one
He was a great guy and i miss him more then anything

[Atticus]

Im 25

I try to tell my kids everytime i walk out the door that i love them, and i give them all big hugs(even my 20 year old son)


??

[dodgegirl54435]

what is the deal with the ????

I am 25, i have no children I have been with the same man for 5 years have 2 cats. The man i am with now met my dad the day they left for Florida. He said that he would take care of me no matter what and he has.

He was there when i got the call that my dad had been murdered. I wish i would have been able to say good-bye or I love you
there are so many times i want to call him

[Atticus]

I'm sorry ...I confused two seperate posters. I thought you were the one who posted about giving extra hugs to your 20 year old son.

[Double Naught Spy]

That is incredibly sad .......... and I guess (or assume) he didn't carry ... coulda made all the difference.:mad:

Or not, as in with McKown in Tacoma.
[QUOTE]
Investigators speculate Klotsch saw two robbers coming out of the store just after 10 p.m. and followed them with his car to the back of the building.
That's when one of the robbers turned, fired two shots and killed Klotsch in his car, said Sgt. Alan Hill, spokesman for the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.

If the speculation is correct, having a gun would not have changed things since he was basically ambushed by those he was following.

No doubt a lot of things could have made all the difference, including guns, but apparently none were used.

[1911Tuner]

What a hearbreaking experience for you and your family, Amy. So very sorry.
Please keep us all posted on this.

[Double Naught Spy]

That is incredibly sad .......... and I guess (or assume) he didn't carry ... coulda made all the difference.:mad:

Or not, as in with McKown in Tacoma.



Investigators speculate Klotsch saw two robbers coming out of the store just after 10 p.m. and followed them with his car to the back of the building.
That's when one of the robbers turned, fired two shots and killed Klotsch in his car, said Sgt. Alan Hill, spokesman for the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office.

Whether the police story is more correct or Amy's, it sounds like he was ambushed. As such, even if he had a gun, unless he was expecting the ambush, it would not have been out and probably could no have been deployed in time to stop the ambush.


No doubt a lot of things could have made all the difference, including guns, but apparently none were used.

[dodgegirl54435]

my dad was not following the men they shot through the back window and killed him as they were running outta the liqour store. he had no idea what was even going on.

[Azrael256]

One guy in a thousand? One guy in ten thousand? Incredible. Yeah, sounds like he was a candidate for the Nicest Guy In The World award. A good man, better than most, is killed by a couple of thieving scumbags.

What a world.

[Atticus]

Very sad indeed. My condolences Amy. :(

[WillBrayJr]

Thats a shame, sounded like a great father:( Try not to remember the way he died, instead remember the way he lived;) I'm sure you'll see him again someday:)

[dodgegirl54435]

I definetly think of the good in my dad. He was a great guy, I never knew about this site I just put his name in the search engine and this came up along with alot of other sites too . Some of the information i feel was misconstrued. I think that if the guys that killed my dad had actually known them i think they would feel ALOT worse about themselves. He was what held our family together Even when we were kids he went out of his way to do things for us and take care of us. We werent wealthy at all we lived on a farm and my dad got up at 3am to go milk cows, us girls would get up at 5 or 6 and go feed the cows and clean the barn with him so that he could come home by 8am eat shower sleep and get up to start it all over again at 4pm. He was my hero i think. I wish everyone would have been able to meet him.

I want to thank everyone on this posting site. You have all been really nice and i really enjoy getting feed back from everyone. In a snece it makes things easier and also it makes me realize there are really truely nice people out in the world that have a heart.

[dodgegirl54435]

omg i am soooo sorry about that. I must have hit something incorrectly

[orionengnr]

Amy-
My condolences on your loss. I am truly sorry that you and your family must endure this. I note that it has been nearly three years, and I hope that you can look at the event more objectively now.

I only have one observation, but I believe it to be significant:

Quote: " I think that if the guys that killed my dad had actually known them i think they would feel ALOT worse about themselves. He was what held our family together..."

Please re-think this. The type of "people" that do these things do not "feel" anything in the way that you and I do. They do not know remorse, they do not know shame. They know regret only in the sense that if caught, they regret and resent it. They view their fellow humans as prey.

Do not project your human sympathies onto them. They are human only in the clinical sense. If acquitted, they will repeat their actions ad nauseum.

I hope and pray for your healing. I hope for the conviction and execution of the perpetrators. That is the only thing that prevents someone else from experiencing your pain.


One last point, from your first post:
"hi, my name is amy klotsch. Im Arnies daughter.
He was the worlds greatest dad and he really would have done anyhthng for anyone. He left me behind my two younger sisters and my little brother
he didnt carry a gun. he moved from northern wisconsin we didnt need need guns there"

Amy, there are predators everywhere. There are more some places than others, but no place is free of them. WI has been trying to get CCW law passed since about 2001. Citizens have the right to protect themselves predators.

Please stick around THR, read, share, and learn. We are a big family. We have a unique view of the world, and like most families, disagree from time to time. We tend to do it in a civil manner, though.

Best regards, Rich

[dodgegirl54435]

You are very right on what you said about them havign no feelings, I was actually just looking up the names of the guys that did this to him Richard J Sampeur and Andrew Asher Walters AKA Drew or Murder. They had walters on a 25,000 bond. I mean that is just wrong he is a murderer !!!! I really hope that when my mom goes to court for these guys that justic will be done. Either by life in prision or death penalty.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/20/Hillsborough/Two_store_robbery_sus.shtml

You are also very correct on saying there are bad people everywhere. We were just in a tiny little town there tho. but i understand what you are saying to the fullest.

[WillBrayJr]

I'm sure most of us will get to meet your father later on;)

[orionengnr]

double-post...sorry

[orionengnr]

:rolleyes: that the perps had run afoul of the law before. There are people out there who do not share the same values as decent folk. Do you know how many repeat offenders there are out there? Estimates vary, but some say that 80-90% of crimes are committed by the same core group of people. Records as long as your arm....

When they are caught, and locked up (or put six feet under) that is true crime prevention.

When foolish juries or idiot judges have "compassion" for them, they go on to prey again. Do a search here or any number of other places for examples.

It is truly unfortunate that there are those who do not understand what is at stake, and doubly so that those who are so well-insulated from reality get to make the rules...

[boldkharma]

Unfortunately this is a sad but increasingly too common event. The bad guys are out there and I believe all of us, as law abiding armed citizens, have a responsibility to curb the un-wanted violence. I am fearful all the time. I never want my wife or children away from me for any amount of time. When did we loose control of our streets, our safety, and our way of life? We need to take back what has so silently,yet steadily been taken from us.

[ka50]

That is incredibly sad .......... and I guess (or assume) he didn't carry ... coulda made all the difference.:mad:

You can't shoot fleeing suspects.

You can't draw faster than the bullet can fly.

He had no business being a "nice guy". He chose to, he paid the price. Sad story.

[P95Carry]

He had no business being a "nice guy". He chose to, he paid the price. Sad story.I am not sure quite what you are saying there :( Other than making a distinctly unfeeling statement.

Had he (let me add) been adequately aware and read the scene - and been carrying - just perhaps it might have turned out different. It was tho probably ''wrong time - wrong place''.

[Atticus]

He had no business being a "nice guy". He chose to, he paid the price. Sad story.

I believe that Amy pointed out (twice) that her father was doing nothing more than driving through the parking lot to pick up his wife.

But even if he was doing more than that, we all pay a price for having too few "nice guys" like him. This act was as random as a lightning strike. If you let arsholes like these guys turn you into something less than nice, then we all lose.

[dodgegirl54435]

thank you for clearing that up once again the MY FATHER WAS NOT CHASING THE MEN THAT SHOT HIM. THEY RAN FROM THE STORE AND SHOT THROUGH THE BACK WINDOW. MAKING IT THAT HE WAS DRIVING IN A TOTALLY DIFFERANT DIRECTION THEN IF HE WERE CHASING THEM. (HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT IN THE WINDSHIELD NOT THE BACK WINDOW!!

That was a terrible crappy and unfeeling thing to say by the way! Terrible mean and upsetting actually

Amy
Arnies Oldest daughter

[dzimmerm]

Amy,

I lost my father when I was 20. He died of cancer. I was away at school and did not get to see him much. I can understand your loss.

What I wanted to say was remember that this is a fairly open message board. Some of the folks here are young. As long as they are civil, as in not using profanity they can post here.

Keep in mind that not everyone types well and not everything that gets put on the screen is what you actually meant to say. I do not know Ka50 but I find it hard to believe that person meant any harm by what they posted.

I wish you and your family well and hope you can take the best of your fathers caring attitude with you the rest of your life.

dzimmerm

[dodgegirl54435]

hi there all been away on a business trip still gone will be home in a few days. here are the 2 guys that murdered my dad. the trial is now being pushed back till july AGAIN.
everyone is entitled to their own opinion so if he meant it so be it :o

im pretty open minded so all is well :p

http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=03017849

http://www.hcso.tampa.fl.us/pub/default.asp?/Online/qdisp/bn=05025629

[NineseveN]

Wow, I simply have no words, my condolences for your loss. May justice be satisfied.


God, that's just horrible, thank you for sharing with us.

Be strong.

[dodgegirl54435]

thank you and i will be checking in here until i get home if i can to update or reply to anything

you all have been very nice
thank you

[dodgegirl54435]

got home saturday just checking in there is nothing new to report at this time
thanks
amy

[BigFatKen]

Dear Amy,

Take comfort in whatever Higher Power you may believe in. Here is a poem I have read many times. There is a link at the bottom to the author's site.


Ascension

And if I go, while you’re still here…

Know that I live on,

vibrating to a different measure

behind a thin veil you cannot see through.

You will not see me,

so you must have faith.

I wait for the time when

we can soar together again,

both aware of each other.

Until then, live your life to it’s fullest

and when you need me,

just whisper my name in your heart,

…I will be there

by Colleen C. Hitchcock

http://www.colleenhitchcock.com/newsite/Purchase.html

[dodgegirl54435]

what a beautiful poem. Thank you for that. I still have not heard any updates as of yet with the date of the trail i will keep everyone posted

amy

[1911 guy]

I realize it has been three years, but things like this can take longer than that to heal. Sometimes they never do, you just move on with it. I'm sorry that your Dad was killed by two cretins. I hope your Mom and younger siblings are getting on as well as you seem to be.

Ka50, I'll be sure to walk on by if you ever need a hand. I'd hate to be Mistaken for a nice guy. :fire: I think someone didn't learn common decency as a little kid.

[veloce851]

I wonder if KA50 would mind coming back and explaining his comment.
I don't entirely understand what was meant by that? It was rather rude.
At least that is how it read to me.
I kind of doubt it was deliberate to add insult to injury, perhaps a better explanation to Amy for that comment would be appropriate.

Amy, please allow me to extend my condolences as well.
Your family is in my prayers.
Arnold sounds like the kind of guy that made this nation great.
Perhaps if "ash" and "murdax" ( :rolleyes: ) had an uncle or a brother or god forbid a father that was just 1/10th of what Arnold was.
They might have made different choices in their lives, and Arnold would be here being the great man he obviously was.

God bless you for keeping his memory alive and well.
We need more everyday heroes like Arnold (when I say hero I refer to his acts of kindness and his involvement in his community...the true sign of a hero)

[dodgegirl54435]

thank you all so much for being such caring and understanding people.
Yes March 1st will been 3 years since he was murdered. The pain never does go away but it does get easier with time and it makes it better when you can talk to people about it and people are willing to listen.
As far as Ka50 goes, I would like it also if he/she came back and explained himself. And if not oh well I am a better person then they are if they have to say things that are as heartless as that. If it was not meant to be rude then my apologies but for some reason that does seem to be the only way to take that statement.
My mom and younger siblings are doing well they are all still in florida living there own lives and doing their own things. Some of which i aprove and some in which i dont. I know that my father would be proud of me and my life right now.

I hope that everyone has GREAT presidents day weekend, drink have fun and be merry!!!! Lets celebrate and have a glass of wine.!!!!

[dodgegirl54435]

hello to everyone. Today is 3 years since dads murder. Still nothing has happened with the murderers at this time. They sure take a long ass time to prosecute these ???????s as far as i am concerned. I think that they should get the death penalty. If you kill someone you should not be able to live

[johnnymenudo]

Amy,

I have been following this thread all along but really didn't know what to say since I have never been in a situation like yours. I know it was three years ago today that your father was killed, and I have been thinking about him, you, and your family quite a bit lately. I am finding myself very angry with these men, but most of all, I am very sorry for what has happened to your family. I wish you all the best from a fellow Wisconsinite. Thanks for keeping us posted.

JM

[Gunfire]

Originally Posted by dodgegirl54435
I know that my father would be proud of me and my life right now.

I'm sure he would! He sounds like a great man, husband and father. You know he still lives in your memory and no one can take that away. I hope you and your family are well on this day. Our thoughts are with all of you.

I didn't know your Dad but from how you describe him I think he would want the best for you. I would like you to think about how 'He' would want you to be living your life. Content knowing that he touched many people and lived a full and loving life however short or angry and vengeful to the scum that did this? I'm sure it's hard but try not to give another thought to his death. Our laws and justice will take care of those that are beneath out thoughts. Celebrate his life whenever you feel him in your heart. I think that's what he would want, don't you?

[dodgegirl54435]

Good evening all. I just to let you know that i think that all of u have been very sweet and supportive. I have to agree with you about living in my fathers eyes in a sence asking would he approve would he be proud so on.......i know that he would i am a damned good girl at 25 years old. i have alot of wants, but i know in time i may or may not get what i want. I bust my ass off and will always do that. I loved my dad dearly and know he is always with me I have to admit i miss hime more then ever but I know that that will never change but It has gotten easier. Crying not as often and so fourth. I DO however think of him every single day. a smell a song something someone says

[Zen21Tao]

My heart goes out to you and your family Amy. I live in Florida and really hope to open the newpaper one day and see headlines saying that the scum that killed you dad has been sentenced to death. It is truely sad when a good man is taken by scum that doesn't even deserve to breath the same air as you and your family. Again, my love and prayers are with you and your family.

[dodgegirl54435]

Just thought that i would drop a line and say hello to everyone that is still out there. I havent heard anything new in the regards of my dads shotters. As soon as I hear anything else I will let all of you know. Have a great easter.
XOXO Amy

[Stiletto Null]

Your dad's not really gone until people forget him.

[dodgegirl54435]

I agree with you 100 percent. I think of him everyday. Holidays and birthdays are the hardest

[Iggy]

Well, I reckon the Lord had a special need for a nice guy to do a job that needed done in heaven more than he needed one down here.

He just called a special nice guy home to fill the job.

Take care and best wishes to you and your family. I kinda figger the Lord and your Dad are keepin' watch over you..

[butterfly_2006_1983]

I just found this site..Hi Amy..I am amy's 23 year old sister Amanda...I have to say, i enjoyed reading everyything that everyone said, very nice...i actually started to cry...thank you to everyone...

[Leatherneck]

Hi Amy and Amanda. I'm sorry for your loss. While death is a natural part of life and we all have to go someday, to have your Dad suddenly taken from you by a couple of lowlifes is extremely sad. Try to keep on remembering the many good traits it sounds like your Dad possessed and pass them on if you're able to. We here at The High Road tend to think pretty highly of people like your Dad and you, and pretty badly about the men who killed him. Stick around, you'll probably fit right in.

TC

[dodgegirl54435]

Hey there sis :) Everyone has been very nice on here. With the exception of the KA guy and i was hoping to hear what they meant by it but they never wrote back. I know that he is watchin over us as i feel it daily in the things that i do.

[dodgegirl54435]

Well there was supposed to be a trial regarding the murder of my dad. It was supposed to be on mondaY. I though that would have been a great fathers day gift if they would have sentanced them murderers. Does anyone on here know why they would keep prolonging this and putting it off.???!!!??? this is at least the 5th time they have set a date for the trial and then went and cancelled it. I wish they would just have the trial and do what they have to do. It wont give me much closure but it will at least be done with :cuss: :cuss:
Amy

[BIGDADDYLONGSTROKE]

I am very sorry to here about your loss, he sounds like a very good man and its not fair that these things happen to good people. I will pray for you and your family. GOD BLESS and take care.

[Serendipity]

Typically, repeated postponements are defense attorneys' strategies. The good news is that FL is pretty tough on criminals...much tougher than in WI. Admittedly, due to the difference in demographics between WI and FL, there probably aren't as many criminals, per capita, in WI as FL.

Even if they get the death penalty, it'll be a couple of decades before they're executed. Most likely, they'll get life, without parole, unless there's some kind of spineless plea bargain.

[Freeze N]

Amy and Amanda. Thankyou for sharing your thoughts with us at THR. I just picked upon this thread, and had to read it all. My Condolences to you and your family.

This being father's day, I know your father is looking down with pride at his girls.

Hang in there for a while longer. Justice will be done.

[Ala Dan]

Hi Amy-

I'm deeply saddened by the loss of your father. May he forever rest in
the minds, the hearts, and souls he touched here on earth; and let his
good deeds shine down from above. May GOD speed to him, and
comfort you and your family at this time; and even for ever more~!

[Biker]

He's ridin' country roads somewhere, and proud as hell of his girls.:)

Biker

[DunedinDragon]

Well there was supposed to be a trial regarding the murder of my dad. It was supposed to be on mondaY. I though that would have been a great fathers day gift if they would have sentanced them murderers. Does anyone on here know why they would keep prolonging this and putting it off.???!!!??? this is at least the 5th time they have set a date for the trial and then went and cancelled it. I wish they would just have the trial and do what they have to do. It wont give me much closure but it will at least be done with
Amy

I'm truly sorry for your loss and I wish things had worked out better for you on this trial situation. I'm sure you'll just have to be patient. Hillsborough County is really a cesspool and the court system is really overtaxed, so it may take a while, but it will get done.

You can use the following link to stay abreast of the perpetrator's court docket:

http://207.156.115.81/oridev/criminal_pack.ins

The one thing you can take solace in is that Florida has developed a great system in terms of their approach toward guns and gun crime. Yes, we have a state that recognizes decent citizen's rights to own and carry guns. But that is balanced by very strict and unforgiving mandatory sentencing for those convicted of gun crimes, otherwise known as the 10-20-LIFE laws.

Jeb Bush and his Attorney General Charlie Crist have equally promoted reasonable gun ownsership laws while at the same time passed laws that are extraordinarily tough on anybody that misuses guns. Anyone that uses a gun in the commission of a crime is MANDATORILY sentenced to life imprisonment, no negotiations, no wiggle room, no flexibility on the part of the judge or jury. He will get that as a minimum. He could also easily face that death penalty.

The bad news for the perpetrator in this case is he chose the wrong state to do such a thing.

[armedandsafe]

I'm glad to see this thread back on top. I've been wondering about the situation.

While I've not lost any family to violence, I have lost good friends to scum such as these. It never stops hurting, but it does get easier to remember the good times, rather than the bad time. The good times are the ones which really count. Those are the times which give meaning to your father's life.

Pops

[Fred Fuller]

Amy and Amanda,

It's terrible that this is dragging on so long, that you still don't have any semblance of justice after all this time. I can't imagine how that makes you feel, but it's admirable that you keep hanging in there. I hope your day will soon come and the state will do what it should have done long ago.

Thanks for visiting, it's an honor to have you here. I hope you'll keep us posted on what happens.

Best wishes,

lpl/nc

[gunsmith]

Thanks for keeping us informed, I remember when you first posted and as someone who has lost family members in a similar fashion I can relate to
how you feel.

They never caught whomever shot my brother in law in 1980 in the Bronx.
The investigation revealed he fought back even after being shot 4 times but in NYC
regular folks can not carry a gun to shoot back at criminals .

[dodgegirl54435]

Wow, Thank you all for such a respose. At least I know now a little more then before. I have been thinking about the whole situtation alot lately and at first i wanted the death penelty for them becuase they killed someone. The more i think about it the more i think life imprisionment would be better because it isnt the easy way out. I will keep you all up to date on anything else that i hear. It just seems to drop off for a while until the trial comes up and then gats cancelled again. Thank you all again for everything.

Yes Ill bet he is driving his hydraglide right now:)

I always like to come in here and hear/read what people have to say. Good Or Bad. It is a nice way to think of my dad, and also have others think about him

Thank you all again
Amy :)

[gunsmith]

that resembles human.

first i wanted the death penelty for them becuase they killed someone. The more i think about it the more i think life imprisionment would be better because it isnt the easy way out.

Humans will often be reluctant to kill even when they have a good reason while garbage that resembles humans will kill without any reason.
I was going to refer to them as animals, but I am reluctant to insult animals by comparing them with the garbage that hurt your family....is it ok for me
to root for the death penalty?

[Inti]

I'd rather die than spend the rest of my life bored as hell in prison.

I consider life in prison a more punishing sentence.

[dodgegirl54435]

Just to update everyone!!!!
My mom went to the DA last thursday and the 2 guys should be sentenced by January. Or so the DA says. They are going for life in prision for the guy that shot dad and the drive will be getting 25-30years in prision. There was a 3rd person but they are not sure where he/she is as they wont tell anyone. This is all that i know for now and i am sure it will chabge before January but i will keep you all posted,
Amy

[gunsmith]

Make sure the DA knows people from around the country are watching
this case and want the garbage that resembles humans to remain in jail for as long as possible, no time off for "good Behavior" etc.

God Bless You!

[dodgegirl54435]

Hello everyone!!!
Long time no post huh.
Well There was nothing new to reply until now.
I guess the non shooted who was driving the get away car signed a plea bargain and is settling on 25 years in prision and 15 years of probabtion once he gets out. So I think he will be about 48 when he gets out of jail unless he gets less for go behavior which i dont doubt. But at least he will loose most of his life.
As far as the shooter goes there is still nothing that has been decided as of yet but hopefully in the next 2 months the DA said this should be all said and done.
Well that is all for now
I hope you all had a great holiday season
Amy

[gunsmith]

I guess that sentence is better then nothing, but I think he should have gotten way more.
He is just as culpable as the shooter, the criminal justice system tends to
minimize the impact on the victims. That in it self is a crime.

God bless you and please come back to hang out with us!

[Stainless Chili]

Hi, Amy:

You are very brave to be able to discuss this. Thanks for keeping in touch.

Most people, after thinking about it hard enough, would agree life in prison is a better punishment. Not to go off topic, but it is also much less expensive. Why give these scum the chance to appeal ad-nauseam, at the tax-payer's expense?

It just isn't fair that someone who was so good to have to leave the living before their time.

[dodgegirl54435]

I just want to let everyone know that after 4 long years they finally sentenced my dads killers. The shooter was sentenced to consecutive life in prision. The non shooter has 25 years in jail and 15 years probation. I guess there were a lot of witnesses. Come to find out they went to there girlfirends house after the murder and robery and were bragging they "got themselves a cracker" They made away with only 1700.00. Which was spent on Coke and whatever else drugs they could get. One of the girlfriends is the one that turned them in because they stashed the gun her house and she didnt want to be found with it. So she is the one that called 911 and gave them the information on that car.
I have found a few sights that posted the trail information. This all happened last week.

http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBOUJBXLZE.html
just to clear anything up dad was not following them he was just driving around the parking lot!
http://www.activeworlds.com/newsletter/0303/30313.html
dad is king christian and my granpa is harleydad

[lacoochee]

That's great news. I am glad Florida finally came through on punishing those evil men. Please accept my condolences, I am sorry your Father came here only to find his life so tragically taken.

[gunsmith]

it is hard to believe how long it took to get the sentences handed down, how does it take four years to convict the sub human garbage that kill for no reason?
25 years is not enough time for his devious actions, but I am sure he will commit more crime in jail and get more time.
God bless you for you patience and fortitude.

[Arkie]

Hi Amy and Amanda.

I'm glad that they finally sentenced them to prision and I hope that ya'll can find peace in your heart.

It's sad to have someone taken away like that and then the life we live in takes so long to do anything about it.

[JWarren]

Let me add my condolences as well, Amy and Amanda.

I can only imagine how tiring and painful this experience has been for you.


I am curious about one thing:

Come to find out they went to there girlfirends house after the murder and robery and were bragging they "got themselves a cracker"

Did the DA tack on a Hate Crime charge as well? It is my understanding that tacking on a Hate Crime will get the perpetrator an additional 5 years.



John

[GhostlyKarliion]

The shooter was sentenced to consecutive life in prision.

Shoulda got the chair

The non shooter has 25 years in jail and 15 years probation.

Shoulda got the chair too

My condolences Amy, prayers are with you and your family. Glad that justice will be somewhat satisfied.

[dodgegirl54435]

Thank you all for your support.
I was torn about the death penalty and the life in prision thing.
To me in a way i feel that if they were killed it would have been an easy way out for them There would be no punishment after death. Maybe to there familes if the families even want anything to do with them.
Then again I am thinking that if they are in prision for that long whos to say it will be all that bad for them. They might have a good time in there. I am not sure if they got anything for the Hate Crimes!! I would like to think so but i am not sure I will find out for you all tho!!
Thank you again!!

[CNYCacher]

That is excellent news, although I agree they should both have ridden the lightning. You have been very strong throughout this, I am sure your father is very proud of you.

Your dad's not really gone until people forget him.

A good point from someone we now have only with us in memory. Your dad will never be forgotten, not by you, and also not by many of us through you sharing your story here. I believe that you will see him again, and maybe we all will meet him one day as well.

[dodgegirl54435]

I have no doubt that he is proud. I know he is watching over us. I know I will see him again and I know you will all see him also. He is watching over every single one of you also. He knows the support that you have all given me. He will love each and everyone of you. Us kids were everything to him so he will be glad that I found this great sight and was able to let each of you know what was going on.

[Neocode]

My condolences Amy and Amanda. I hope that these scumbags getting a small measure of what they deserve is some help to you.

[DC-Loudsound]

Stay strong Amy ... your dad is still with you.
You'll feel him in your heart.

[jlbraun]

Amy/Amanda -

I've been following this for some time but didn't comment because I didn't feel like I had anything to say. Now I do. It's terrible that the trial process went on so long, because it meant that you went 4 years without closure.

Your dad is up there somewhere, on an infinite road with his Hydraglide. He sounds like a great man, the world will miss him.

:(

[Oscar Orum]

Hallelujah!! This has been a long road for the family and I hope justice has been done. It is said "all comes to him who waits". I question this, frequently. Patience is a virtue, on which I am short. My best to the family and may our Lord bless and keep you.

[yhtomit]

Thanks for letting so many people to whom you have no obligation know how things turned (or are turning out). I'm glad that the killers were at least sentenced to some hefty time, though as others have pointed out, there's no "adequate" length of time that would make things fair.

May things turn out for the possible best ...

timothy

[dodgegirl54435]

I definetly can see my dad riding his Harley around Happy as can be.
I know that he is with me every day and waching out for us.
If i find anyhting else out or hear anything else i will let you know. I have a feeling this is a closed case now. Feel free to email me any time. I will check in here from Time to time I really like this site.
dodgegirl54435@yahoo.com
With love,
Amy Klotsch:)