M-1 Carbine HP or SP for HD?


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1911Ron
January 10, 2005, 05:18 PM
Was wandering thru Sportsmans Warehouse, looking for 30 Carbine ammo and saw both soft point and hollow point bullets in 110g and was wondering if either one would be a good choice for HD? Has anyone shot these thru an M-1 Carbine and have good feeding results? I'm thinking that out to 100 yds it would be an effective hunting/SD/HD round.

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shep854
January 10, 2005, 08:01 PM
By my thinking, if you can get the rifle to reliably feed SP or SJHP, you'd have one dandy home-defence gun. It has good close-range power, pushing .44 mag numbers.

In my carbine, the soft lead catches on the lip of the chamber every three or four rounds. If I pull the bolt back and release it, the round goes on into the chamber. I'm looking for a 'smith who can polish that area for reliable feeding. YMMV

1911Ron
January 10, 2005, 11:39 PM
Thanks for the info, i think i'll look into getting the ramp polished it may be the answer.

oneshooter
January 11, 2005, 01:06 AM
Loving Wifes carbine feeds FMJ, SP, and HP equally well. She keeps a 30rd mag in the well and 2 15rd mags on the buttstock. Winchester factory JHP. :evil:

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

ChiefPilot
January 11, 2005, 10:39 AM
I've run 110gr SP ammo from Federal and Georgia Arms through my carbine, and they've worked without any problems whatsoever. From everything I've read about them, they seem like they would be a dandy close range defense round.

That said, the only downside that I can see is that there hasn't been much in the way of terminal ballistic testing done on these loads like there has been for the more popular pistol and rifle rounds. In fact, I haven't found any test data for the soft point rounds showing expansion, penetration, and/or weight retention. Therefore, the theory that it would work well as a defense round is just that - a theory. But I wouldn't bet against it :) .

Bwana John
January 11, 2005, 10:57 AM
My M-1 carbines would not feed anything but GI ball reliably.

Dave Markowitz
January 11, 2005, 11:36 AM
A good expanding SP or JHP would make an M1 Carbine a very good defensive weapon, since the ballistics of the .30 M1 are similar to .357 Magnum from a rifle. However, you need to ensure that your Carbine will reliably feed your chosen load.

E.g., last year MidwayUSA had a good deal on Magtech .30 Carbine JSP, so I picked up a couple of boxes to test in my Underwood. I had several failures to feed in the 1 50-round box which I tried so far. The same day, I ran ~100 rounds of GI Ball made by Remington in the early 1950s. The Ball was noticeably hotter and function was 100%.

The other factor is whether or not a JSP or JHP actually expands. You'd think that a JSP at M1 Carbine velocities would reliably expand, but I've read that Federal JSPs don't do so reliably (anyone with contrary experience please correct me).

Winchester makes a JHSP (jacketed hollow soft point) which by the looks of it, should expand. I plan to test some in my Carbine and would be interested to hear from anyone who has tested it for expansion.

Sunray
January 11, 2005, 02:02 PM
110 HP's work just fine out of mine. IMR4227 is your friend. Don't think I'd trust factory loads though.

Al Thompson
January 11, 2005, 03:37 PM
Georgia Arm's 110 JSP load expands well (juding by the exit wound) on the smaller SC whitetails. Witnessed this two or three times.

oneshooter
January 11, 2005, 05:27 PM
The Winchester 110gr JSHP load is what Loving Wife uses. It will expand at carbine velocities.

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

ChairborneRanger
January 11, 2005, 06:14 PM
The .30 Carbine is an okay round, however, much closer to a .357 Magnum than to a .44 Magnum. Try different SP/HP loads to see what will reliably work in your Carbine----personally, the only thing I would trust in mine are FMJ's----I wouldn't trust my life on anything else feeding reliably.

g56
January 11, 2005, 06:23 PM
I tried soft points in my M1 Carbine, they would hang up on the feed ramp, the soft points were extremely unreliable in my gun, I haven't had any problems with hardball.

MrMurphy
January 11, 2005, 06:25 PM
The JHPs should feed better than the softpoints.

I wonder if Corbon makes the Pow'rBall in .30 carbine? It feeds like ball.

DamnedDirtyApe
January 11, 2005, 07:37 PM
Doc GKR in the Terminal Effects forum at http://www.tacticalforums.com/ has recommended the Remington soft point as the best performer in the M1 Carbine.

He is the ballistics guru I choose to follow. YMMV

molonlabe
January 11, 2005, 09:40 PM
Diddo on feeding. Mine feeds jsp's with no problem and I use ww296 for powder. I've clocked them at 2000 fps so they make a formidable defense round.

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