CA Residents Feinstein is at it again!


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March 4, 2003, 09:44 PM
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Senator Feinstein Introduces Legislation to
Curb Sales of Powerful .50 Caliber
Sniper Rifles
February 24, 2003


Washington, D.C. - U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today introduced legislation to curb the sale of the powerful .50 caliber military sniper rifle, making it more difficult for terrorists, criminals, and members of doomsday cults to obtain these deadly weapons.


"Fifty-caliber sniper rifles are deadly, military style assault weapons, designed solely for armed combat with wartime enemies," Senator Feinstein said. "The guns enable a single shooter to destroy enemy aircraft, jeeps, tanks, personnel carriers, bunkers, fuel stations, and even communication centers. Despite their deadly power, these weapons are widely available to civilians and subject to less regulation than shotguns, machine guns, and handguns.

"This legislation would begin to change that," Senator Feinstein said. "It would place stricter requirements on the way in which these guns can be bought and sold, making it harder for terrorists, assassins, and other criminals to obtain these powerful weapons. This is not a matter of firearm safety, but a matter of national security."

Current law classifies .50-caliber rifles as "long guns," which are subject to the least government regulation of any firearm. The legislation introduced today, known as the Anti-Terrorism Military Sniper Weapon Reclassification Act of 2003, would impose far stricter standards on these weapons and reclassify them under the National Firearms Act of 1934. National Firearms Act classification would mean that:

Fifty caliber rifles could only be purchased from a licensed dealer and could not be purchased secondhand. This would prevent the sale of these guns at gun shows and in other venues that make it hard for law enforcement to track the weapons.


Purchasers would have to fill out license transfer applications and provide fingerprints to be processed by the FBI in detailed criminal background checks. By reclassifying the .50 caliber, Congress will be making a determination that sellers should be more careful about to whom they give these powerful, military weapons. This background check process takes approximately 60 days.

"If we are to continue to allow private citizens to own and use guns of this caliber, range, and destructive power, we should at the very least take greater care in making sure that these guns do not fall into the wrong hands," Senator Feinstein said.

The legislation is cosponsored by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Charles Schumer, Jon Corzine, Frank Lautenberg, Richard Durbin and Carl Levin.


.50 Caliber Rifles weigh up to 28 pounds and are capable of:


Reliability hitting a target at more than a mile away.


Piercing light armor at more than 4 miles.


Piercing a manhole cover, a 600-pound safe, or an armored car.


Destroying an armored limousine, a helicopter, or a plane. One advertisement for the rifle promoted the weapon as able to wreck several million dollars' worth of jet aircraft with one or two dollars' worth of cartridge.

Penetrating several inches of steel, concrete, or light armor. In fact, many ranges used for target practice do not have enough safety features to accommodate these guns--they are too powerful.

Examples:

.50 caliber rifles were used by the U.S. military in the Gulf War to take out Iraq's armored vehicles.


Recent reports indicate that Al Qaeda is in possession of .50 caliber sniper rifles--rifles that were manufactured in the United States. Nearly two years ago, Essam al Ridi testified that he acquired 25 Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifles and shipped them to Al Qaeda members in Afghanistan.


In 1998, federal law enforcement apprehended three men belonging to a radical Michigan militia group. The three were charged with plotting to bomb federal office buildings, destroy highways and utilities. They were also charged with plotting to assassinate the State's governor, a United States Senator and federal judges. A .50 caliber sniper rifle was found in their possession along with a cache of weapons that included three illegal machine guns.
One doomsday cult headquartered in Montana purchased 10 of these rifles and stockpiled them in an underground bunker, along with thousands of rounds of ammunition and other guns.
Several ammunition dealers were willing to sell armor piercing ammunition to an undercover GAO investigator--even after the investigator said he wanted the ammunition to pierce an armored limousine or to take down a helicopter.


According to news accounts, a .50-caliber sniper rifle, smuggled out of the United States, was used by the Irish Republican Army to kill a large number of British soldiers.

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Blackcloud6
March 4, 2003, 09:55 PM
>>Piercing light armor at more than 4 miles.<<

Simply a bald faced lie.

Standing Wolf
March 4, 2003, 09:56 PM
Feinswine is one of the reasons I left the People's Republic of California last year to return to the United States.

She's a leftist extremist totalitarian who has no business in government.

45R
March 4, 2003, 10:05 PM
I'm doing my duty as an American and writing her a lettter letting her know how rediculious this legisalation is.

I need some more facts for my arguements as I have recently started shooting last year and need more facts.

25 Barrett Rifles were sent to Afganistan at the request of the US government to fight the soviets in the 80's .....is this correct.

Airwolf
March 4, 2003, 10:12 PM
Check this link for info on the .50's

https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2047

Kahr carrier
March 4, 2003, 10:14 PM
Feinstein,Boxer and Peralta -The Prk version of the 3 Stooges.:neener:

4v50 Gary
March 5, 2003, 01:39 PM
Fineswine also wants the Assault gun and magazine ban extended. Ashcroft has replied that he supports the current law. :(

Duke of Lawnchair
March 5, 2003, 01:42 PM
And to think that these people have concealed weapons permits...

Nightfall
March 5, 2003, 01:53 PM
"The guns enable a single shooter to destroy enemy aircraft, jeeps, tanks, personnel carriers, bunkers, fuel stations, and even communication centers."

A single shooter, destroy a tank? An APC... a friggin' BUNKER?! Jeezus, what kind of load do you have to shoot to do that? "Super imaginary impossible penetration filled with 50 lbs of semtex rounds". You would think when a politician blatantly lies while introducing legislation, the law would be void. But, why let true facts get in the way of the step by step confiscation game. :fire:

spacemanspiff
March 5, 2003, 01:56 PM
One advertisement for the rifle promoted the weapon as able to wreck several million dollars' worth of jet aircraft with one or two dollars' worth of cartridge.

dont the cartridges cost more than a couple dollars each? so, only what? half a cartidge can destroy a jet aircraft?

p35
March 5, 2003, 07:49 PM
Let's remember that with Republicans in control of Congress and the White House the legislation is DOA. She's really doing this for the publicity and we should save our energy for issues where there's actually something to fight about/for, IMHO.

Standing Wolf
March 5, 2003, 09:02 PM
I'm doing my duty as an American and writing her a lettter letting her know how rediculious this legisalation is.

You're doing the right thing.

I used to send Feinswine, Boxer, and others lots of mail. All I got for my trouble was smart-alecky responses, junk mail, and spam.

Phyphor
March 5, 2003, 09:43 PM
Washington, D.C. - U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today introduced legislation to curb the sale of the powerful .50 caliber military sniper rifle, making it more difficult for terrorists, criminals, and members of doomsday cults to obtain these deadly weapons.

Oh, nevermind you have to LIVE OUT OF THIS GODFORSAKEN STATE, AND you have to go through the standard FFL process, meaning, IIRC, you absolutely have to be a citizen of the USA, with no felonies....


"Fifty-caliber sniper rifles are deadly, military style assault weapons, designed solely for armed combat with wartime enemies,

As opposed to what, PEACETIME ENEMIES?
:cuss: :cuss: I can't believe this idiocy.




" Senator Feinstein said. "The guns enable a single shooter to destroy enemy aircraft, jeeps, tanks, personnel carriers, bunkers, fuel stations, and even communication centers. Despite their deadly power, these weapons are widely available to civilians and subject to less regulation than shotguns, machine guns, and handguns.

ONE: The .50 CAN NOT DESTROY TANKS OR AIRCRAFT. You MIGHT disable an aircraft ON THE GROUND, if you shot it in the right area. I'm SURE that's gonna happen lots, really folks....

</sarcasm>

As for being 'less regulated,' that's not really true. You still have a magazine limit for the .50, not to mention the standard paperwork.

What a sack of....


"This legislation would begin to change that," Senator Feinstein said. "It would place stricter requirements on the way in which these guns can be bought and sold, making it harder for terrorists, assassins, and other criminals to obtain these powerful weapons. This is not a matter of firearm safety, but a matter of national security."

How about you place more weapons in the hands of the people? We've seen just how effective government security can be.
Plus, do we really need MORE hard/impossible laws to enforce on the books?


Current law classifies .50-caliber rifles as "long guns," which are subject to the least government regulation of any firearm. The legislation introduced today, known as the Anti-Terrorism Military Sniper Weapon Reclassification Act of 2003, would impose far stricter standards on these weapons and reclassify them under the National Firearms Act of 1934. National Firearms Act classification would mean that:

Fifty caliber rifles could only be purchased from a licensed dealer and could not be purchased secondhand. This would prevent the sale of these guns at gun shows and in other venues that make it hard for law enforcement to track the weapons.

Law enforcement doesn't NEED to be tracking these weapons, they need to be worrying about the frelling TERRORISTS.



Purchasers would have to fill out license transfer applications and provide fingerprints to be processed by the FBI in detailed criminal background checks. By reclassifying the .50 caliber, Congress will be making a determination that sellers should be more careful about to whom they give these powerful, military weapons. This background check process takes approximately 60 days.

"If we are to continue to allow private citizens to own and use guns of this caliber, range, and destructive power, we should at the very least take greater care in making sure that these guns do not fall into the wrong hands," Senator Feinstein said.


How about we KEEP THE WRONG HANDS OUT OF OUR COUNTRY?????????????

It's the PEOPLE, stupid! Not the tools!

The legislation is cosponsored by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Charles Schumer, Jon Corzine, Frank Lautenberg, Richard Durbin and Carl Levin.


.50 Caliber Rifles weigh up to 28 pounds and are capable of:


Reliability hitting a target at more than a mile away.


Piercing light armor at more than 4 miles.

BULL$417!!!!!


Piercing a manhole cover, a 600-pound safe, or an armored car.


Destroying an armored limousine, a helicopter, or a plane. One advertisement for the rifle promoted the weapon as able to wreck several million dollars' worth of jet aircraft with one or two dollars' worth of cartridge.

Better ban hammers too, because I sure could wreck a turbine-driven jet easily enough with one... just sling a hammer or 3 into the intake....



Penetrating several inches of steel, concrete, or light armor. In fact, many ranges used for target practice do not have enough safety features to accommodate these guns--they are too powerful.

Examples:

.50 caliber rifles were used by the U.S. military in the Gulf War to take out Iraq's armored vehicles.


Recent reports indicate that Al Qaeda is in possession of .50 caliber sniper rifles--rifles that were manufactured in the United States. Nearly two years ago, Essam al Ridi testified that he acquired 25 Barrett .50 caliber sniper rifles and shipped them to Al Qaeda members in Afghanistan.


I'd love to see how they'd get those over here.


In 1998, federal law enforcement apprehended three men belonging to a radical Michigan militia group. The three were charged with plotting to bomb federal office buildings, destroy highways and utilities. They were also charged with plotting to assassinate the State's governor, a United States Senator and federal judges. A .50 caliber sniper rifle was found in their possession along with a cache of weapons that included three illegal machine guns.

PERISH the thought! Who'da thunk it, the terrorists are actually carrying illegal, probably unregistered weapons?



One doomsday cult headquartered in Montana purchased 10 of these rifles and stockpiled them in an underground bunker, along with thousands of rounds of ammunition and other guns.
Several ammunition dealers were willing to sell armor piercing ammunition to an undercover GAO investigator--even after the investigator said he wanted the ammunition to pierce an armored limousine or to take down a helicopter.


According to news accounts, a .50-caliber sniper rifle, smuggled out of the United States, was used by the Irish Republican Army to kill a large number of British soldiers.

What 'news accounts' would these be?:cuss: :banghead: :fire:

twoblink
March 5, 2003, 10:36 PM
Ok, let's place Feinstein at 4 miles, and hand me a .50Caliber. How does that sound???

Crimper-D
March 5, 2003, 10:55 PM
About what one of these things can do to what target, and at what range:rolleyes: What REALLY Bunches the Liberal Elitest's Knickers is the target that they don't/won't mention = one of thosr 50BMG rounds will perforate a Stretch Limo End-to-End!:eek: :evil: :neener: And those aweful Limoshooters are in the hands of perfectly ordinary citizens:what:
Anyone of which might just decide to go Liberal hunting:fire: :evil:

bobs1066
March 5, 2003, 10:59 PM
Maybe these folks have been to birdman.org & took it for real.

http://www.birdman.org/products/Nuke50.htm :D

Phyphor
March 6, 2003, 02:36 AM
Oh god, hope they don't see the $30 .50 BMG "guaranteed to fire at least ONCE!" "weapon" there.

Maybe we could convince them to build one and test it........

:evil:

riverdog
March 6, 2003, 09:30 AM
Ashcroft has replied that he supports the current law. Ashcroft supports the current AW ban because it will sunset in 2004. Don't look for him to be a strong supporter of the next edition of the ban.

Carlos Cabeza
March 6, 2003, 01:06 PM
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ............................I really don't get the angle she is trying to make here ????? All the time she has devoted to this could be better spent on WHAT !!!!!!
Does she think she is making a difference or is she really building an empire. I/WE already have to jump through hoops to get a rifle EVERY TIME I/WE PURCHASE ONE....... Does anyone have information to confirm her accusations? I mean has there been an incident where a terrorist actually shot down a plane or an APC with one ????? You know I think CA is a nice place to visit but I wouldn't want to live there ! When the San Andreas decides to crack it will be too soon !

Jim March
March 6, 2003, 02:30 PM
Guys, she didn't introduce this bill expecting it to PASS.

:rolleyes:

She did it to make brownie points back home. It's DOA as far it's potential for actually making law goes.

That's why the odds are 99% you won't see an "NRA alert" on it, unless by some miracle it actually starts picking up a bit of steam. And then of course, the NRA's "lack of attention" on this stillbirth turd of a bill will be described as "traitorous inattention" by some loons out there :barf:.

spacemanspiff
March 6, 2003, 02:35 PM
define "doomsday cults"..... is that just any religious group that predicts the end of the world will be soon? if god is to bring about the doomsday, why be concerned if cult members obtain .50 cal rifles? why cant they enjoy the big booms like those who dont think the world will end soon can?

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