Norwegian members, step forward!


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NonServiam
March 5, 2003, 07:18 AM
Apart from my shooting buddy M67 and Kobun (who I haven't really talked to, let's do something about that!), I haven't seen many Norwegian members here.

All Norwegians, step forward and be counted!
This is the time to go from lurking to posting. (Don't let poor English language skills stop you, these Yanks can't spell worth a damn either :neener: )


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goosegunner
March 5, 2003, 08:12 AM
OK, I'll stop lurking

NonServiam
March 5, 2003, 08:24 AM
There's a non-lurker I had overlooked. :) Hei!

And judging by your e-mail address, a student at NTNU, if I'm not mistaken. "Akademisk Skytterlag", the shooting club at the University of Oslo, myself ...

AnklePocket
March 5, 2003, 08:30 AM
Spent some time in Narvik and Harstaad and in between. Phenominal country. Can't wait to go back one day.

NonServiam
March 5, 2003, 02:08 PM
Too true, AnklePocket. That's a nice part of Norway. In summer. :) I prefer at least to see the sun for a couple of hours a day during the winter ...

Should there be any other THR members from Oslo than M67 and me, we could have a "THR Norwegian chapter shoot"?

Colt46
March 5, 2003, 02:12 PM
Does that make me an honorary member?

NonServiam
March 5, 2003, 02:17 PM
Nah, Colt46, but we'll accept your dog ...

Mal H
March 5, 2003, 02:46 PM
I flirted at length with an absolutely gorgeous hostess from Norge last year at Epcot Center much to my wife's chagrin. I was just asking her questions about the Norwegian language - honest! Can I be an honorary Norwegian? :D

I believe UltimaThule on TFL was a very respected member from Norway, but I haven't seen him register here. See if you can get him to come on over.

CZ-75
March 5, 2003, 04:05 PM
UltimaThule = M67 ???

NonServiam
March 5, 2003, 04:24 PM
Come on Mal, if we were to accept any leery eyed American who drool over our blonde goddesses, do you think this would be a particularily exclusive club?

Yes, UT = M67. I still get a kick out watching him lecture Americans on parts of your history or political system. He knows his stuff.

Dannyboy
March 5, 2003, 04:36 PM
I had, um, relations with a Norwegian girl while in Australia and I have Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's autograph. Is that enough for honorary status?

Mal H
March 5, 2003, 04:47 PM
"UltimaThule = M67" Aha, good.

"... if we were to accept any leery eyed American who drool over our blonde goddesses, do you think this would be a particularily exclusive club?" Uh, no, you're right, I don't think it would be. You can probably replace "American" with "male". :D

NonServiam
March 5, 2003, 05:00 PM
As far as I know Dannyboy, the club you belong to for the first feat isn't quite that exclusive either. ;)

You'll get credit for the autograph though!

Kobun
March 5, 2003, 05:16 PM
Guess I have to consider myself counted. :)

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atek3
March 5, 2003, 06:34 PM
are all norwegians socialist? are their any libertarian (classically liberal) norwegians?

atek3
(grandfather was from norway)

M67
March 5, 2003, 07:17 PM
Hi there!

Don't you have anything better to discuss than my dark and rather uninteresting past? Myabe I need a sig-line to clarify things. Or maybe I shouldn't have changed my handle in the first place... Anyway, you may refer to me as the artist formerly known as UltimaThule :D

Honorary Norwegian-hood? That requires a certain amount of brown-nosing. This would among other things include telling us how wooonderful and beauuuuutiful our country is. Mal, if you are interested in the Norwegian language and want to be an honorary Norwegian, a good way of proving that you are serious would be to learn how to say "Ibsens ripsbusker og andre buskvekster" really fast.

Maybe a Norwegian THR-shoot is a good idea. If any foreigners show up, we can try to find you a reindeer-meat and goat-cheese pizza. :D

BogBabe
March 5, 2003, 07:26 PM
My father is from Norway, and I've got lots of family over there. His mother was one of 12 children and his dad was one of 10, so he's got LOTS of aunts and uncles and hundreds of cousins. You can hardlly walk ten feet down the street in Norway without tripping over someone I'm related to.

I've spent time in Bekkestua (outside of Oslo) and in Helgeroa, where we have a family cottage.

MountainPeak
March 5, 2003, 08:06 PM
My grandpa was a Swede and grandma from Norway on my dad's side of the family. I became a true MUTT from my mother's side.:)

Sven
March 5, 2003, 08:34 PM
Too bad about those Swede genes... nothin you can do to fix that buy marry a Norwegian and hope for the best. =)

98% Norwegian here, come over on the boat three generations back. My old family farm still exists... hope to visit someday.

NonServiam
March 6, 2003, 06:13 AM
Hi Kobun! Whereabouts do you come from? If in the vicinity of Oslo, how about that THR-shoot?

Yes atek3, all Norwegians are socialists. And all Americans are republicans. Seriously, there is a strong tradition of social democary in Norway, and I'm sure this inlfluences the way we think about polics. But we have a wide range of political parties ranging from flat out communists to laissez-faire classic liberalists mixed wih a bit of conservativism. And then there are those of us who don't feel at home in any of these and prefer to think out of the box ...

Bogbabe, Bekkestua is familiar territory. My father used to have his boat there.

Nice to see so many of Norwegian descent! Even with the occational Swedish gene. :p Don't worry, it'll water out eventually.

atek3
March 6, 2003, 06:23 AM
Why is social democracy a part of norwegian (and scandenavian for that matter) political tradition? Cultural, religious...?

I went to your governments homepage and read about the Storting. Facinating ****. However my statement was pretty fair, the socialists have a pretty serious majority. What are the different parties stances on gun control, and how are the laws re: guns in norway.

atek3

NonServiam
March 6, 2003, 07:21 AM
The first of your questions are a bit out of my league, atak3, but maybe M67 could help you a bit more. I'll give it a go though. After WWII, there was a large collective effort to rebuild the country after our unwelcome guests, and the Labour Party was in power for many years. I think their politics of solidarity strongly appealed to the population who probably felt a need for safety after the occupation. Since we started pumping oil in the '70s, we have also had the economy to suppprt a "welfare capitalism", a combination of free market activity and government intervention.

The socialists may have a majority in the Storting, but the current government is a coalition of middle-to-right parties. There are lots of issues dividing the parties across the traditional left-right scale. EU membership being one.

"Gun control" is not really an issue in Norwegian politics, but there are certainly parties more willing to tighten the firearms laws than others. The laws are stricter than most places in the US, but less strict than some. We are definitely better off than most other European contries. We can own guns for hunting and competition, and you need to be a registered hunter or member of a shooting club to buy guns. All guns are registered, and the number of handguns is limited based on your level of training/competition activity. The number of guns per capita is comparable to the US numbers. Our most influential rifle organisation (a mix of NRA and CMP) have 180.000 members. Out of a total population of under 4.5 million ...

I think M67 had a couple of rather wordy posts on the subject of Norwegian gunlaws over at TFL.

atek3
March 6, 2003, 07:27 AM
do you have IPSC and three gun? in other words can you own hi capacity semi auto's?

NonServiam
March 6, 2003, 07:31 AM
Yes, IPSC is popular. No limit on magazine capacity.

Suppressors sold freely to anyone with a registered gun. :cool:

atek3
March 6, 2003, 07:32 AM
so do people opt for comps or suppresors :)

NonServiam
March 6, 2003, 07:41 AM
Yes :)

Seriously, while both have their uses, you don't see all that many comps. Mostly on Open class IPSC guns. They are not allowed in the popular national "field target" shooting program.

Suppressors are naturally mosly found on rifles and .22s. I don't know many shooters with .22 rifle who don't also own a suppressor. Many of us own rather specialised .22 pistols for bullesye, and these won't accept suppressors as easily. For those with Ruger MkIIs, suppressors are a natural accessories. My supressed Beretta 71 is a sweet little gun. Important not to bother your neighbours with too much noise when at your cabin retreat.

igor
March 6, 2003, 08:01 AM
I did two semesters in Norway some years back and got a terrible dialect as a side-effect... would that earn me a bit of hob-nobbing points?

NonServiam
March 6, 2003, 08:30 AM
Should anyone be interested, here is a short history of Norway (http://odin.dep.no/odin/engelsk/norway/history/032005-990454/index-dok000-b-n-a.html).

Flying V
March 6, 2003, 12:10 PM
I like several Norwegian metal bands.
I would like to have a Norwegian 1911.

mrsMTN
March 6, 2003, 04:03 PM
I'm in the market for any Norwegian knitting patterns(in English!), especially Setesdals and Sirdals. Does that help?

2dogs
March 6, 2003, 04:14 PM
We're watching you............................:scrutiny: :)




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Hakan
March 6, 2003, 07:02 PM
Hey NonServiam..

Is citizenship good enough to be accounted for one?? or does one has to like fishballs and be lifetime ManU supporter also??;)

Oh..one more thing... If my memory serves me right,suppresors are not allowed to be used for cal.larger than .22 and lately they were considering to outlaw that also.

AnklePocket
March 6, 2003, 07:33 PM
During one of our rare hot meals (it was in the winter) we were served fish balls (a compressed fish) among other things. As the Norweigian LtCol was explaining, I took one look at the size of the fish balls and said, "that must've been one big fish". My CO had zero sense of humor.
Malmen's in Narvik rules.

Kobun
March 6, 2003, 08:11 PM
Compensators are used on competition long-guns and open class pistols(in IPSC).
Supressors are most common on .22's, but are catching on on other calibers as well.
No restriction on the caliber for supressor. If you have a license, you can buy a supressor for that caliber.

Owning pistols requiers membership in a club, and a 6 month "waiting period"/training period before first handgun.
Have to be 21 to own handgun, 18 for other guns (16 in some cases).
No restriction on mag capasity, exept on hunting firearms. No pistol or "military" type guns allowed for hunting.

Owning SUR's (Sporting Utility Rifles) (eg. AR's) is restricted. Only active members of clubs assosiated with IPSC, and to some extent, military reserve officers may aquire one.

NonServiam, nope, I'm not from Oslo.

As for guns allowed, look here. (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1135443)

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=43854

NonServiam
March 7, 2003, 07:24 AM
Flying V: I guess those bands are of the rather ... dark ... kind? We have some of those. Not my cup of tea, but understand they popular abroad.

MrsMTN: I called my mother, but unfortunately she didn't have any of those. They would have been in Norwegian, too. Maybe Mal H could give you some lessons?

2dogs: The CIA factbook is a good source of info. Use it alot myself.

Hey, Hakan! Love the CZ grips you make! Maybe I ought to get some for my Tanfoglio ...
What you refer to about suppressors were indeed suggested a couple of years ago, and I believe it was even passed. After protests and very good argumentation from the shooting organisations, it was dropped.

Nice collection there, Kobun! :D

M67
March 7, 2003, 10:41 AM
Regarding suppressors. Until a couple of years ago they were not restricted in any way at all, and why should they be? In Sweden, on the other hand, suppressors are regarded as "weapons" and require a license. When Swedish authorities realised (it only took them a hundred years or so) that any Swede could just walk into a Norwegian gun store and buy a suppressor, they started whining about it and requested that the Norwegian government should "do something" and close the "loophole". Does that sound familiar to anyone? So, after a couple of attempts by the bureaucrats to introduce some really stupid regulations, it ended with the system we have now. In order to buy a suppressor, you have to show the gun store salesperson your firearms registration - same procedure as when buying ammo. Not really that much of an inconvenience, but the moral of the story is: Blame the Swedes. :)

Hakan
March 7, 2003, 04:35 PM
I really don't understand how Swedes and their gun laws relates to our discussion about the "suppressors"...but I have the year 2000 booklet of Norwegian Hunting Association here with me...It states here on page 21 that they're outlawed...but you "might" still be specially permitted to use one by the police....so by law they're actually outlawed.

NonServiam,

Thanks a lot..as long as the Tang is 9mm...there is no problem to make grips for it..

M67
March 7, 2003, 05:11 PM
Hakan, your information is outdated. Suppressors were (almost) banned, not by law but by administrative regulation, in 2000. Then, still in 2000, before the regulations took effect, the department backed down and changed their minds. The Hunting Association was one of the organizations that told the bureaucrats where they could stuff their regulations.

atek3
March 8, 2003, 07:21 AM
wow, thats pretty cool that IPSC shooters can own cool guns. Even mr. squeky clean can't own the tools for threegun IPSC in ********** or Neu Jersey

NonServiam
March 9, 2003, 11:23 AM
M67, you sure about the role of the "Norwegian hunting association"? I thought they rolled over and exposed their belly? They are rather servile in all other matters ...

Anyway, silencers/suppressors are nice! Noise bad! (Well ok, noise can be fun too :) )

M67
March 9, 2003, 03:15 PM
I thought they rolled over and exposed their belly? You mean as in "I don't care about all them other guns as long as they aint comin' for my huntin' gun"? That just about covers it, I guess. Maybe the difference this time was that a few hundred thousand Norwegian hunters actually own suppressors for their .22s and suppressors for big game rifles are getting more and more popular. Anyway, in this particular case they didn't roll over.

Neu Jersey I've only been there once, some 20 years ago, but I thought the correct spelling was "Noo Joicey"? :D

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