Stevens .410 ID help needed.


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Chuck Dye
January 16, 2005, 05:26 AM
The Stevens .410 pictured below is believed to have been manufactured prior to 1920, is without serial number, and has tentatively been identified as a Model 40½. To purchase a replacement stock we must first be sure of the model. Can anyone help?

http://www.msnusers.com/c0hdkdio4jlaah0it2m2q9oh35/Documents/Stevens%20.410%201.jpg

http://www.msnusers.com/c0hdkdio4jlaah0it2m2q9oh35/Documents/Stevens%20.410%207.jpg

http://www.msnusers.com/c0hdkdio4jlaah0it2m2q9oh35/Documents/Stevens%20.410%204.jpg

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Jagermeister
January 16, 2005, 07:08 AM
Photos did not show on my PC

JM :cuss:

Chuck Dye
January 16, 2005, 05:44 PM
I have tried several times to attach the photos without success (have queried tech support,) here are the links:

http://www.msnusers.com/c0hdkdio4jlaah0it2m2q9oh35/Documents/Stevens%20.410%201.jpg

http://www.msnusers.com/c0hdkdio4jlaah0it2m2q9oh35/Documents/Stevens%20.410%204.jpg

http://www.msnusers.com/c0hdkdio4jlaah0it2m2q9oh35/Documents/Stevens%20.410%207.jpg

I will attach the photos as I am able.

stans
January 16, 2005, 08:06 PM
You have to be a member of Microsoft.net to see photos posted there and they do not allow direct linking like free picture hosts like Picture Hanger (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/?=SID) .

SgtMaj
January 17, 2005, 09:29 AM
Huck Phinn -
Please keep this thread active. I'm interested in what you find regarding this particular shotgun.

I've not been able to view your pictures yet but it sounds like my Grandfathers old .410 which he gave to me when I turned 14 (a long time ago). When I was young and foolish I took the stock and forearm off and 'made my own'. Now that I'm old and foolish, I realize that the gun deserves its original wood but after 40 years I can no longer find it.

Regards,
SgtMaj

Jagermeister
January 17, 2005, 09:38 AM
Send your photos to me by separate email, I will try and help you:

JM

JohnBT
January 18, 2005, 11:26 AM
I thought the Model 40-1/2 was a short pocket rifle/bicycle rifle in .22 or .32 rimfire.

I really need to keep a set of books at the office because my memory ain't what it used to be.

John

SgtMaj
January 30, 2005, 04:46 PM
Just bumping this back to the top. I'm still interested in whatever information can be obtained on this old shotgun and didn't want the thread to die.

Regards,
SgtMaj

BluesBear
January 31, 2005, 04:16 AM
The Stevens 40½ is a rimfire Pocket Rifle with a tang mounted sight. It was NOT made in .410.

The only .410 that Stevens made that is close to a Pocket Rifle was the Model 35 also called the Off Hand Shot Gun (1923-1929), later called the Auto-Shot (1929-1934) The auto refers to Automobile (as did the Ithaca Auto and Burglar).

Production of the Model 35 was curtailed due the the National Firearms Act of 1934.

I am not aware of a shoulder stock ever being made for the Model 35.


We'd like to help ID this piece but without photos it will be nearly impossible.

Flamingo joe
February 21, 2005, 01:49 AM
New member, just joined.
This also sounds like a Stevens .410 I inherited from my Grandfather about 40 years ago. Use it for .22 side matches in Cowboy Action Shooting. It has an external hammer and the release lever is so far back that if you are not careful when shooting, it will nail the web between your thumb and index finger. If someone can tell me how to post pics, I'll take one and try.

Joe

Chuck Dye
March 20, 2005, 10:13 PM
These hosted images should display for all viewers. I am still trying to get details of the roll marks. Sorry, the photography is not mine and, as the shotgun is a half day's drive away, access to make better photos is limited.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/HuckPhinn/Stevens.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/HuckPhinn/5127d2de.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/HuckPhinn/0fa2ad97.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/HuckPhinn/929664b4.jpg

SgtMaj
March 20, 2005, 10:25 PM
Huck Phinn,

Thanks for the photos. That is the same model I have.

I've not sent one on this forum but there should be PM headed your way shortly.

Thanks,
SgtMaj

BluesBear
March 20, 2005, 10:52 PM
That looks like a Stevens 100 series to me.

Possibly a 140?

The "or 12MM" markings on the barrel indicate that it's definately early 20th Century. So your pre-1920 estimate accurate.
Before it was called the .410 in America it was called 12mm in Europe.
However the longest 12mm shell I have ever seen was only 2".
I have seen several a couple of European guns with only 2" chambers but I have never seen an American made gun with anything less than a 2½".


Winchester didn't create the 3" .410 until the mid 1930s.

Flamingo joe
April 3, 2005, 10:49 PM
From the pictures, it looks just like mine.
Might be a Model 106. That was the first American made shotgun for the 2.5 in. .410, from what I have read.
I believe Stevens started making them in 1916.


Joe

ww23.8
April 20, 2005, 01:02 AM
I have this shotgun as well, and really hope someone can positively identify it at some point and let people know if its possible to get replacement parts.
I need the forward stock including the metal, i'm willing to buy another gun for parts if anyone knows of one for sale. Thanks very much for any help.

BluesBear
April 22, 2005, 04:42 AM
Try here >> http://www.e-gunparts.com/productschem.asp?chrMasterModel=089Zz107

http://www.e-gunparts.com/productschem.asp?chrMasterModel=089Zz107b

http://www.e-gunparts.com/productschem.asp?chrMasterModel=089Zz107c

Chuck Dye
April 22, 2005, 09:27 PM
I have been told that the variations in the roll marks on the Stevens are important to model and year of manufacture ID. Here are some (slightly) better photos I managed.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/HuckPhinn/a0008_8.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/HuckPhinn/a0009_9.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/HuckPhinn/a0007_7.jpg

All of the Stevens single shots which e-gunparts provides free schematics for have trigger guards that resemble omegas having screws at each end of the gurad. My friend's .410 has a trigger gurad that curves back on itself and has only the rear screw. Nothing I have found in print looks like it.

ww23.8
April 22, 2005, 09:47 PM
Thanks for the tip. Nancy at Numrich/e-gunparts.com identified this shotgun as a model 89 and I have ordered the parts I need, for under $50. You wouldn't believe how excited I am. She told me the parts would be original -how they could have original parts for a gun manuractured in 1917 is a mystery to me and i'm hoping I dont get a box filled with parts for some other gun. Here's the link she gave me:
http://www.e-gunparts.com/products.asp?chrMasterModel=089Zz89%20SHOTGUN&MC=

This gun was given to me by my Grandfather who got it from his dad when he was 16, he told me his dad traded another gun for it because it had a 36" barrel and therefore it would be hard for him to shoot himself with it!! he carved his innitials in the butt plate where you can still see em after 70+ years. The gun itself is completely worn down from years of use and is not worth much, Im sure, but its the only thing I have of his and it just means the world to me. He told me his brother borrowed it sometime in the 1950's and lost the forend stock, wich I know always bugged him. This shotgun always sat in the corner of his cabin and I know he must have shot thousands of squirrels with it over the years. I think he would be happy to know it will be getting some use again.
I hope to restore it and do some quail hunting. Now I just have to take the hunting class to get a liscense, which in California is 16 hours of class time!!
After the parts get here, ill post again to let people know if they turn out to be the correct parts.

Thanks again.

BluesBear
April 23, 2005, 02:13 AM
Congratulations ww23.8 !

I'm sure your grandfather is looking down upon you with a great big smile.

Numrich has always been great folks to deal with. I first called then in 1967 looking for a small part for a gun my Father brought back from the war. We didn't even have any idea what brand it was. I described it to the gentleman on the phone and they knew right away. They sent me the part and it was a perfect fit. Their employees really know their stuff!

Two weeks ago the sear finally wore out on the early 1950s vintage Marlin bolt action .22 my Dad gave me back when I turned 13. Numrich sent me a brand spanking new one that works perfect. Hopefully it will last another 100,000 rounds.

I really don't know how long Numrich has been in business but I recall reading their advertisments in Field & Stream as early as 1960. They have spent years buying all of the left over parts from every company imaginable. If they made guns and went out of business you can bet Numrich probably bought all of the parts. They will also buy just about any old gun they can find.

I am always delighted when someone can restore an heirloom to working order.
Those old guns had so much soul to them. They're like a time machine connecting you with the past.

Now find a few old roll crimped paper shells and fire them just for the heck of it.

BluesBear
April 23, 2005, 02:18 AM
Now where are my manners.




Welcome Aboard™ ww23.8 !

deciple-of-keith
April 23, 2005, 02:49 AM
It does my Old soul a power of good to see, people who actualy praise the .410 .There was a time here in Auz that the .410 was the weapon of choice for youngsters Who went Ferriting!or just pigeon hunting .I think most of my Childhood friends including myself ,boasted about having a .410 as our first shotgun (there were those who were true Capitilists & had sxs or converted #3 enfields from India ,these were a 3shot bolt but most of us had singles).Then the .410 faded from popularlarity.In favor for 12g's .But I've got a little Boito .410 for my lad .We both get a lot of use & fun out of that Gun

ww23.8
September 2, 2005, 12:47 AM
As it turned out Numrich didn't have the parts I ordered in April, althought their web site continues to list them as available. A few days after my post on April 22 I recieved an invoice that listed all the parts i had ordered as unavailable and to try back in 30-60 days :banghead: Ive tried back a few times but they still didnt have them :banghead: just yesterday though, I got an email that the complete forend Iron was in stock, but not the wood. It was only $16 so I ordered it.
The plan now is to make the damn wood part myself if the iron comes in and is the right part, if that's what I end up doing, I may beg some of you guys with access to this shotgun to send me some detailed pictures of the forend stock and some guesses as to wood type.

the saga continues.............

Steven Mace
September 2, 2005, 04:27 AM
I would suggest contacting the people at The Small Arms Shop, www.savageparts.com. They specialize in replacement parts for older Savage & Stevens firearms. Hope this helps!

Steve Mace

ww23.8
September 9, 2005, 01:36 AM
The parts came in today and appear to be for the 12g not the .410...........................back to square one, well square two, at least we know the model number now. Life is what happens while your making plans......

William

Chuck Dye
January 14, 2006, 06:58 AM
Well, I finally got around to sending my photos to Numrich. Nancy responded as follows:

Dear Huck,

This gun is an early 94. If it has a 2" tang the stock is not available. If the stock is 2 3/4" I've attached the link for this.

http://www.e-gunparts.com/product.asp?chrProductSKU=149830G
If you have any further questions please feel free to contact me again.

Thank You,

Nancy
Web Services

ww23.8
January 17, 2006, 01:05 AM
Hey Huck,

The stock in the link doesn't look right to me, I could be wrong. Nancy had told me a while back that this shotgun is a model 89 and I think she was right then. I just recieved a forend from them on Friday which looks perfect, but unfortunately its for the 12G model not the .410 that Im looking for, so Ill send it back again. This is the second time they've sent me 12G parts when ordering .410 parts from their webiste. The last time, after I sent the part back they sent a note apologizing and saying they dont have the .410 parts and i should try back in 90 days....... I've also been watching ebay and a suprising amount of old Stevens shotgun parts turn up, but no luck yet, if I see the stock, I'll send you the link.
It doesn't hurt to order the part and send it back to them if its not right -you'll only be out the shipping cost. Good luck to you Sir and let me know what you find out.

William
From San Francisco, where if the city fathers have their way, I'll be expected to turn in my guns soon anyway.

ww23.8
January 17, 2006, 01:10 AM
Hey Huck,

The stock in the link doesn't look right to me, I could be wrong. Nancy had told me a while back that this shotgun is a model 89 and I think she was right then. I just recieved a forend from them on Friday which looks perfect, but unfortunately its for the 12G model not the .410 that Im looking for, so Ill send it back again. This is the second time they've sent me 12G parts when ordering .410 parts from their webiste. The last time, after I sent the part back they sent a note apologizing and saying they dont have the .410 parts and i should try back in 90 days....... I've also been watching ebay and a suprising amount of old Stevens shotgun parts turn up, but no luck yet, if I see the stock, I'll send you the link.
It doesn't hurt to order the part and send it back to them if its not right -you'll only be out the shipping cost. Good luck to you Sir and let me know what you find out.

William
From San Francisco, where if the city fathers have their way, I'll be expected to turn in my guns soon anyway.

Cave Man
January 31, 2006, 02:45 AM
Glad to see your gun. I have one exactly like it! It belong to my Dad. He picked it up second hand about 1920. He was about 16 years old. I had mine bored out for a three inch shell. It shoots like a rifle. I hope you find what you need to restore it. Mine is in very good shape.Right now I have no place to hunt , so my boy is using it in sand Point ID.:)

Major Spoons
February 1, 2006, 03:32 AM
Huck:

It looks like you have almost the exact shotgun as my fiancee. We have identified her's as a model 106, made between 1916 and 1930. We have a book which has pages from an original 1929 stevens catalogue which describes the model's 106 and 108 as the first American shotgun to use the 410 guage ammunition. They are also the only models in the catalogue to list the bore as "410 or 12mm". There are a couple of small differances between yours and our's however. Our model has less written on the barrel and no rear sight ridge. Those two differances lead me to believe that yours may actually be a model 108. The only major differance between the two is the fact that the model 108 has an automatic ejector, and the model 106 does not. I did noticed that someone posted to you that replacement stocks were not available. I believe that to be incorect. I have found them available at "gunstocks inc.". It is listed under the Stevens model 107 [short stock] unfinished for around $40.00. The web site for gunstocks inc is: http://www.gunstocksinc.com/web%20pages/indexcT_copy(4).html
Also if you need it a replacement buttplate is available through "Dixie gunworks".
I hope that helps. If I can provide any more info please dont hesitate to ask.


Spoons

Chuck Dye
February 4, 2006, 11:46 PM
Thanks, everyone, for continuing to reply. My friends .410 differs from every diagram and picture of Stevens single shots I have found in that it has a trigger guard shaped like a question mark or part of a musical G-clef. Every thing I have seen, so far, has a trigger guard shaped like a flattened Omega: Ω

Major Spoons, thanks very much for the Gunstocks Inc. link. I will try them with my photos. My friends shotgun has a 2" tang, so we are out of luck with the Numrich stock.

Major Spoons
February 8, 2006, 04:36 PM
Huck:

Judging by the photos you posted of your 410, the trigger guarde is that of a model 105-108. So your still on track for it being a model 106. The book that I got the best info from is titled "Savage & Stevens Arms collectors history fifth edition 1864-2003". The book is available through "Cory Stevens Publishing". The web site for them is: www.corystevens.com . I hope that helps.
On a related note, if you get the stock replaced, and the rest of the gun is safe you will have to go out and shoot it. I have fired ours and it is an absolute hoot to shoot. Easy point, no kick and suprisingly accurate. The old girl's just as sweet as she can be.

The Good Major

Chuck Dye
February 12, 2006, 05:37 AM
On viewing the photos, Ed, at Gunstocks Inc., sent the following:

Hello huck,
Your gun is a pre-model 94, model 107 sometimes referred to as a "short tang 94".
We manufacture semi-finished stocks for this gun, they are here on our website,
http://www.gunstocksinc.com/web%20pages/indexcT_copy(4).html
ED


My friend has cleared the purchase with the comptroller, She Who Must Be Obeyed, and we are waiting.

parkerbg
March 5, 2007, 06:58 PM
I'm late to this discussion board. Found it when I Googled Stevens 410 shotgun. I think I have a 410 of the style you all are talking about. I received it from my Grandfather when I was around 13 years old; ok, so I'm 62 now. Anyway, I'm very curious about it. It says J. Stevens Arms Company, Chicopee Falls Mass. U.S.A., Made in U.S.A. in lines delineated by the commas. It is completely orginal, execept for a manufactured firing pin to replace the broken one. [Anyone know where I can find and original replacement?] Can someone tell me how to attach a pic to this notes?

ww23.8
February 11, 2008, 12:49 AM
Still have not been able to get an original forend stock for this shotgun, But still looking. If anyone comes across one somewhere let me know. Looking for an original used forend stock and iron. Looks like from a previous post this gun also may be a model 108, had thought it was an 89. Any help greatly appreciated.

ww23.8
July 15, 2008, 11:21 PM
still looking for a complete replacement forend....................

screamNdemon
November 8, 2008, 04:00 AM
My Dad gave me an old Stevens .410 yesterday. Over the years I have seen this shotgun at his house and I know its old but not sure how old. Its a model 107B. Can anyone tell me about how old this shotgun may be? Thanks.

Steven Mace
November 9, 2008, 11:54 PM
screamNdemon, the Stevens Model 107 was a break open, single-shot shotgun with an exposed hammer. The .410 bore version will have a 26" barrel. These were made from about 1937-1953. Hope this helps!

Steve Mace

Scot77
October 31, 2009, 02:01 PM
Huck and Major;

I just received a shotgun, Stevens 410 12 M-M, that has the same guard as you describe Huck. It is original and I don't believe it needs parts but, I would love to know what model it is and what you finally came up with.

BR

Chuck Dye
November 8, 2009, 01:29 PM
Once I received the response from Ed at Gunstocks, Inc. that the shotgun is a Model 107 aka "short tang 94" (which fits, more or less, with the ID by Nancy at Numrich,) I passed the info to my friend and have not pursued it further.

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