Should Sex Offenders be Registered?
Skunkabilly
March 5, 2003, 03:13 PM
Should sex offenders be registered after serving their time?
Your thoughts?
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10-Ring
March 5, 2003, 03:22 PM
And castrated too!:cuss:
Sean Smith
March 5, 2003, 03:25 PM
I'd say that they shouldn't be alive to commit future offenses in the first place, which makes the thorny issue of "registration" go away.
Not that I am advocating this, mind you, but I am a little surprised that nobody has just looked up the registered sex offenders in their area, shot them all in the head, and then dared the local authorites to prosecute them. I have the sneaking suspicion that a "jury of my peers" down here would throw me a barbecue.
But then again, we are in a country where known celebrities can bugger small children all they want and not get arrested, and rape is OK if you are an acclaimed director. :rolleyes:
DeltaElite
March 5, 2003, 03:38 PM
Yes they should be registered.
Actually, they should have been executed for their crimes, but that is another flaw within our legal system that I have no control over. ;)
They can never pay off any debt to society, as long as they are alive, so they deserve no peace.
foghornl
March 5, 2003, 03:58 PM
Sex Offenders CANNOT be "re-habilitated", whatever that means. Their depravity knows no bounds.
CZ-75
March 5, 2003, 04:02 PM
No.
Throw away the key. :rolleyes:
TallPine
March 5, 2003, 04:02 PM
Well, I have to go against the tide here and stick my neck out and say "No, unless it was an explicit part of their sentence, or at least only if the sexual assault was commited after the law requiring registration was enacted'
Otherwise, it is an "ex post facto" punishiment prohibited by the Constitution (remember that silly little old piece of paper?).
That said, the punishments in general are way too light. Should be too old when they get out to ever be a hazard to anybody.
But then you also have to consider things like "statutory rape" where the act itself was consensual (like an 19 yo and a 17 yo) - I don't think those offenders fall into the same category.
Ebbtide
March 5, 2003, 04:11 PM
Okay all you "served their debt to society guys", let's hear why felons should not have guns and why sex offender should not be registered.
Yes, they should register. They can't be cured of this defect.
As I recall I think sex offenders must be labled a "sexual preditor" by the court in order to have to register. Those who are not actively on probation and or parole and were convicted prior to the act don't have to register.
s&w 24
March 5, 2003, 04:20 PM
I still think the best registration system for convicted sex offenders is with a surgical lead injection prosess for tracking the offender in all cases tried it's been 100%
DeltaElite
March 5, 2003, 04:33 PM
From a legal standpoint, Tallpine is absolutely correct.
When I think of sex offenders, I think of the true rapists, not statuory violations. I think of pedophiles and other sexual deviants, not some 25 year old guy that had relations with a 16 year old.
We can't get our DA to touch a "statutory rape" case unless the "victim" is under 16 and there is at least a six year age difference between the participants.
This is fine with me, as long as it a consensual sex relationship.
Under 14 gets prosecuted everytime, since they are not considered legally able to consent by state statute.
Even the psychiatric community has acknowledged that the only cure for sexual deviants is death. Castration does not work, only cessation of life signs works.
Sean Smith
March 5, 2003, 04:36 PM
Good point by DeltaElite; castration has actually been shown to make sex offenders more violent. After all, they have more to be angry about.
Ebbtide
March 5, 2003, 04:44 PM
25 year old guy that had relations with a 16 year old.
...and you don't see anything wrong with that? :confused:
I know you don't have any daughters:D
Interesting thing though, I attended a training a few months back that introduced a machine call a philsmograph (not sure on spelling or the name but it does exist) that is used to measure deviant sexual arousal in men.
It is designed as an "accurate" means of diagnosing sex offenders and a measure to see if treatment works. It attaches to the penis, then you are shown a slide show of deviant sex acts (and I mean deviant). When the offender gets aroused, feedback is provided via a real time evaluation on a PC.
In one case study, to confirm if one pedofile had a thing for children, the results indicated he just had a thing for roping people up. It turned out it was not the kids, just that kids were easier to get to go along.
Sick people out there folks, and an industry because of it.
ehenz
TheLastBoyScout
March 5, 2003, 04:57 PM
#3... but some kinds of sex offenders shouldn't be in prison... child pornographers, rapists and child molesters should be shot.
and maybe this is the 16 year old guy side of my brain speaking, but some statutory laws should be relaxed, a little anyways. It's not moral or smart (or legal in most states), for example for a 16 year old guy to be with his 15 year old girlfriend, but its not as evil as say a 30 year old sicko seducing a 13 year old girl.
DeltaElite
March 5, 2003, 05:06 PM
I do have a daughter. I pity her boyfriends, since they have to deal with me.
As for the age difference, as long as it consensual, I don't class it the same as in forcible rape and child molestation.
Of course each case has to be addressed upon its individual merits.
I don't condone it, but I don't see where it is the same as the sexual deviants that I usually deal with.
It may be my libertarian leanings, but consensual is not a big issue to me, since there are plenty of child molestors and rapists that need to be dealt with.
After reading my previous post, I realize it was rather poorly written, but it made sense in my head. :uhoh:
spacemanspiff
March 5, 2003, 05:08 PM
if the courts wont sentence death penaltys for sex offenders, than the rapists, child molesters, child porn, should all have their foreheads tatooed with "SEX OFFENDER". they should also have their arms amputated and be castrated. they shouldnt be eligible for any welfare or other social services.
the rest of their lives should be extreme agony and discomfort.
there is no such thing as "rehabilitation" for sex offendors, wife beaters, child abusers, etc.
Ebbtide
March 5, 2003, 05:16 PM
Delta,
No worries, just busting hump while I waste time until I go home. I knew what you meant. :D
ehenz
The Mayor
March 5, 2003, 05:49 PM
I think the tatooed forehead is best from a taxpayers point.
Twenty minutes and your done, versus hiring leigeons of social workers to maintain the database, maybe they could pay for them by upping trafic tickets or user fees for whatever favorite pastime you might have.
The tatoo will follow you no matter how many times you move or lie to a social worker.
Blackhawk
March 5, 2003, 05:51 PM
Yep, at the minimum.
schmo
March 5, 2003, 06:23 PM
If there's something about sex offenders that is uniquely dangerous (i.e.: can't be rehabilitated), why don't judges and parole boards know it?
Why is a "sex offender" so much worse than the average violent career criminal, as far as the system is concerned?
Smoke
March 5, 2003, 06:36 PM
They are here. It is even posted on the internet.
Texas Registered Sex Offenders Database (http://records.txdps.state.tx.us/soSearch/default.cfm)
rage
March 5, 2003, 06:54 PM
Can't be rehabilitated as of yet...repeat offenders within 3 months was the last research I read.
Post 'em high!:(
scottgun
March 5, 2003, 07:08 PM
Well if we can't give sex offenders the eternal dirt nap that they deserve, then upon release they should be registered and monitored. This goes against the basic principles of having served your punishment. However, based on evidence, sex offenders are never really rehabilitated. If you molest a child, you don't have any rights. The public needs to be aware that a sex offender has been released in to their community.
Sir Galahad
March 5, 2003, 07:12 PM
'll say they should be registered. In the obituary column!
telewinz
March 5, 2003, 07:16 PM
I work at a place were 45% of the inmates are sex offenders. You have to ask yourself...." would my sex drive decrease or change by being placed in a cell"? Most of these guys have other issues besides sex offenses.:barf:
P95Carry
March 5, 2003, 07:32 PM
Whether the explanation for their behavior is genetic, psychological whatever ..... I care not. Once a perv, always a perv I am afraid ...... it's one of them things where I really do feel registration is necessary.
They have transgressed once?? Every chance they will again. Sorry - it's special case and their rights have to go out the window ....... they relinquished those when they offended..
Ed Brunner
March 5, 2003, 08:42 PM
What good would registration do? It has been shown again and again that there are few if any reformed sex offenders.
Gordon
March 5, 2003, 09:04 PM
The fine judicial system of Ca. is getting ready to release yet another fine person who served 5 years in state hospital for raping 19 young boys. I wouldn't mind copying John Malvo on him!:fire:
Standing Wolf
March 5, 2003, 09:19 PM
As far as I'm concerned, people who sexually harm children should be hanged.
I'd give those who victimize adults a second chance, but not a third.
Phyphor
March 5, 2003, 09:31 PM
Yea, I heard about that, Gordon.....
Too bad all my guns are registered........ :fire:
P95Carry
March 5, 2003, 09:58 PM
What good would registration do? It has been shown again and again that there are few if any reformed sex offenders. Yes Ed ... but my interpretation of registration is exactly so, they will be ''marked'' ...... even to the point that they are know within a community. If that gives em a rough ride then tough sh*t .. cos they need to know they are watched ... and closely.
If that ''interferes'' with their lives then, again, tough sh*t ... they sowed, therefore they shall evermore reap. Strikes me that is way preferable to lettin em just ''integrate'' ... that's askin for trouble IMO.
DeltaElite
March 5, 2003, 10:17 PM
Registration creates a nice database that makes it easier to catch them when they strike again. I have seen it work to our advantage.
Makes me sick that all it accomplishes is a quicker arrest when they offend again, but it is what the "legal system" has left us in the wake of "offenders rights".
Of course if they spent life in prison or were executed, the problem would be solved.
Preacherman
March 5, 2003, 10:28 PM
I agree with some previous posters who pointed out that not all sex offenders are as bad as others - I'm dealing with quite a few "sex offenders" in the prison where I work, and in some cases their "offense" was as silly as an 18-year-old guy having sex with a girl who "looked" 18, but was actually 15. The guy concerned is now doomed to be registered as a "sex offender" for the rest of his life. Given that his partner (as emerged at the trial) had been sexually active since the age of 11, and was trying to reach 100 men by her 16th birthday in order to score some macabre kind of points over her friends, I can't help thinking that he's been wronged by this.
However, for true sex offenders (child abusers, rapists, etc.), I think that automatic, mandatory life imprisonment without parole should be the minimum sentence. Trust me, they don't enjoy their imprisonment! They are targets for all "sexually normal" men in prison who dislike the thought of their families on the outside being preyed upon by the likes of these scum. If this sentence were adopted, there would be no need for any registry - and no repeat offenders, either!
That being said, I think that if a sex offender is released, he should certainly be on a register, and I'd go further - his presence in a community should be published in the local news media. I'm afraid that the near-100% recidivism rate in such criminals makes it almost a certainty that they'll commit their loathsome crimes again. Time for a Neighborhood Watch, anyone - an armed watch? :fire:
Zander
March 5, 2003, 10:46 PM
Of course if they spent life in prison or were executed, the problem would be solved.I'm in favor of the latter. The one sure method of preventing further unspeakable violations is to remove the convicted sex offender from any possiblity of contact with our children.
The sordid history of certain states in regard to lessening valid sentences is clear...we can't depend on feeding and caring for such scum for their natural lifetimes; too often, the leftists and their most prominent enabler, the ACLU, defy the will of the people and the intent of the Constitution to arrange for such sub-humans to be set free in our communities. And have the temerity to suggest that we are "violating their rights" by forcing them to be ID'd and tracked.
Execute the predatory offender, male or female, and improve the gene pool.
P95Carry
March 5, 2003, 10:50 PM
Following your point there Preacherman, re an 18 yr old who is ''screwed (excuse pun) by an under age girl ....... then yes ... that is one exception I should have remembered to state in my earlier post. That is something that can happen to any young guy and is well outside the realms of what I personally regard as ''sex offender''.
That sorta case is actually tragic for the individual concered. That said .. the rest, such as you state re the ''real'' offenders ... I am still totally in agreement on .... they should suffer total incarceration yes.... harsh I know but .. recidivism is as you rightly say, near guaranteed.
Gordon
March 6, 2003, 12:47 AM
In our sick state we make 'sex offenders' out of people for 'urinating in public' and other innocous things like the school teacher in local news tonight who was accused by 5th and 6th grade girls of touching them on shoulders and arms when helping them in their studies. Yep thats as far as it went for 5-10years suspended and teaching carreer and life in the crapper. And the guy that raped 19 young boys gets out today after 5 years of 'treatment' in state hospital. You just know that pos is gonna do it again.:barf: :fire: :cuss:
Vladimir Berkov
March 6, 2003, 02:59 AM
Nope.
If you are so dangerous that you need to be registered, you shouldn't be out of prison.
S_O_Laban
March 6, 2003, 04:42 AM
I have to agree with Mr. Berkov. If
1) reabilitation has been shown not to work
(Does anyone have a link to this evidence?)
2) the perp has been convicted of deviant behaviour
why should they ever be let out?
That said, if they are going to let people go that we know are going to "do it " again, then a brand or tattoo should be the least we do.
Joe Demko
March 6, 2003, 11:35 AM
Until recently, I had a night job working with sex offenders. A more odious group of predators cannot be imagined. I never saw one of them display any genuine penitence. Register them? No. Never release them? Yes. We should do them the real kindness, though, of offering them voluntary euthenasia as an alternative. I think we should offer that because so many of them were victims of sexual abuse themselves. For that previous suffering, one tiny mercy.
CZ-75
March 6, 2003, 01:08 PM
Gun registration doesn't work.
Neither does registering sex-offenders.
Guns will still be used in crimes.
Sex-offenders will still commit offences.
Giving them an appropriate sentence to begin with, like life, or death, would make the point moot.
Marko Kloos
March 6, 2003, 01:31 PM
Intersting take on the issue from folks who are adamantly opposed to gun registration...
Let's see here. I currently carry a CZ-75. Let me write down the serial number, and hand that piece of paper to you.
What crime is this going to prevent now, and how?
One of my neighbors on 123 Elm Street is a convicted sex offender. Here's his name and address on a piece of paper.
What crime is this going to prevent now, and how?
Sex offender registration exists for several reasons, but "crime prevention" is not one of them. It exists so politicians can pat themselves on the back for "doing something", for blissninny soccer moms to "feel safe", and for righteous folk to feel good about knowing the deviants in their community so they can be properly ostracized and shunned.
I am against registration of anyone, be it gun owners, Catholics, Jews, sex offenders, tax evaders, or blacks. I am against registration of people because it has historically only ever served one purpose: when the time comes, the villagers with the torches will know which homes to visit.
If you can't trust a sex offender to live in society again without harming anyone, don't let him out. Same goes for any violent felon.
TallPine
March 6, 2003, 01:36 PM
lendringser:
You once again have displayed extremely good judgement and insight.
Ebbtide
March 6, 2003, 02:33 PM
Let's see here. I currently carry a CZ-75. Let me write down the serial number, and hand that piece of paper to you. What crime is this going to prevent now, and how?
One of my neighbors on 123 Elm Street is a convicted sex offender. Here's his name and address on a piece of paper.
What crime is this going to prevent now, and how?
I don't think this is a "I have not commited a crime, I'm just enjoying my rights, why must I register" issue.
If you shoot people on a regular basis I could tell my kids, neighbors, schools, and however else who will listen to stay away from you. I could even smash your face in when no one was looking (maybe you would think twice before you shot again).
If you are registered, the sheriff and local PD know where you live and your MO, it would stand to reason you would be less likely to commit a crime in fear of going back to jail (once again, this is equivalent to RTBA issue).
To take it a step further, since registration is public and includes a lot more info than a name on a peice of paper (pictures, MO, past crimes etc) would you want to move your family next door to a pedofile? That certainly would prevent the registered offender from vicimizing my family.
Not all registration is bad,
ehenz
Chris Rhines
March 6, 2003, 02:40 PM
Yes, all registration is bad.
Sex offenders should not be registered with any governmental authority.
I'm not a fan of life imprisonment, either. If you are so dangerous that you cannon exist in civil society (or you have committed a crime that is impossible to make restitution for) then keeping you alive serves no purpose.
- Chris
spacemanspiff
March 6, 2003, 02:42 PM
If you can't trust a sex offender to live in society again without harming anyone, don't let him out. Same goes for any violent felon.
but most would agree that there is no such thing as 'rehabilitation' for sex offenders. they are released and unless they really wanted to change their sick desires they will go back to committing sex crimes. prisons are already overcrowded and many criminals get released just to make room for criminals who commited crimes more recently.
a sex offender has already committed a crime, be it rape, molestation, etc. a gunowner has committed no crimes. theres a big difference there.
otherwise, how would you know if the guy who moved in next door has been convicted a couple of times for molesting young girls? maybe he decieved the parole board and got his release? what happens if he decides to make your daughter his next victim, and you would have known of the danger in advance had this offender been forced to register? of course, that means you would also have to keep up to date with the registry and devote your time to searching for offenders that live in your area.
TallPine
March 6, 2003, 04:08 PM
The ultimate solution is for the offender to expire rather suddenly with a surprised look on his face, after attempting to assault an armed would-be victim.
TheLastBoyScout
March 6, 2003, 04:25 PM
The ultimate solution is for the offender to expire rather suddenly with a surprised look on his face, after attempting to assault an armed would-be victim.
But the worst of them prey on a group almost completely unarmed under the law (minors).
Even I wouldn't trust the majority of 16 year olds I know with weapons, let alone younger kids.
Shalako
March 6, 2003, 06:25 PM
Why waste taxpayer money on these scumbags with a registration database, life sentences, and rehabilitation?
First time offenders get shipped to Turkish prison. Cheap, effective, justice.
Second time offenders get the old Apache treatment of starting a small fire on the abdomen of the effected party and tending it overnight or until the effected party expires. Cheap, effective, justice.
Gotta love the enthusiasm of those Apaches. :evil:
CZ-75
March 6, 2003, 06:33 PM
Stake'em to a fire ant hill & cover'em w/ honey?
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