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Dave Markowitz
January 18, 2005, 10:41 AM
Killing some time this morning before I go pick up my daughter to take her to the doctor, so here's some EBR gun pR0n:

http://www.building-tux.com/images/AR-180B_close_800x600.jpg

It's my ArmaLite AR-180B, wearing a Bushnell multi-reticle red dot sight in a B-Square mount, an L1A1 sling, and my home-brew brass deflector (that blob behind the ejection port). I made the brass deflector from a rubber stopper, shaped it with a sanding drum in my Dremel, and afixed it with JB Weld. Ugly, but it should work to keep me from getting pinged in the face by the empties (I'm a southpaw.)

I haven't tried it yet with the deflector or dot sight due to other stuff always coming up and keeping me from getting to the rifle range. :banghead:

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Onmilo
January 18, 2005, 10:56 AM
Like them or hate them, the AR180B is still a better rifle than all the 5.56 AK varients on the market.
Even better than my favored Saigas.
Good looking rifle Dave, enjoy it.

VaughnT
January 18, 2005, 11:36 AM
Sexy rifle, Mr. Markowitz. Have you heard if Armalite is going to come out with railed foregrips and collapsible stocks for this model?

I was thinking about buying one, but if I can't modify it to suit my tastes...

Definitely a pretty weapon.

Dave Markowitz
January 18, 2005, 11:52 AM
Have you heard if Armalite is going to come out with railed foregrips and collapsible stocks for this model?

From what I've seen in the AR-10 & AR-180B forum over on AR-15.com, no. ArmaLite sees the AR-180B as a less expensive alternative to their AR-15s. That said, a few creative folks have modified free float railed handguards to fit, and one guy posted a pic of his AR-180B with a barrel cut to 16" with a flash suppressor and what appears to be the butt of a Butler Creek folder mounted in place of the factory stock.

I may eventually get my barrel threaded for a flash suppressor and I could go for a way to mount a telestock on it.

Mulliga
January 18, 2005, 11:57 AM
From what I've read, the AR-180B is a heckuva gun - much better than a Mini-14 :neener: ;) .

DMK
January 18, 2005, 12:03 PM
From what I've read, the AR-180B is a heckuva gun - much better than a Mini-14 Just curious, how do they compare price wise?

fslflint
January 18, 2005, 01:22 PM
looking at it from my poiunt of view.

its cheap, its pretty (to me), it shoots well.


any way you look at it I think its one of my next guns.

LeadPumper
January 18, 2005, 01:31 PM
I got this one about (lemme think...) maybe two years ago. It was the first one I saw in MD, an early production number.

It had some gas problems out of the box, with the sights being three feet right at 25yrds. Moving the front gas block fixed the sight alignment, but turned into a single shot rifle.

A quick trip back to Armalite fixed that and it's been flawless ever since.

I bought it because AR's in general don't do much for me, the 'sproing' in my ear is a nuisance I can do without. And I do prefer the flat top design. I was considering a Bushy A4 until I stumbled onto this AR-180B.

Price was full retail (gotta pay to be first), seven hundred and change, I think. I've seen them lightly used as low as $500 though.

I'm happy with it as a plinker, thats all I need.

-LeadPumper

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v502/jgelner/Other/AR180B.jpg

Domino
January 18, 2005, 02:33 PM
Let us know how you like the Bushnell Trophy Red Dot. I had one on my M17 but I got too many fliers so I decided to get a 2-7X Compact scope for better precision. The Red Dot was definately cool though, and quick.

jacketch
January 18, 2005, 05:47 PM
ACE may be coming out with a folding stock (much better than a collapsible stock) and there are several QD rails available.

By the way, nice rifles guys. I really love mine. Until recently I had a 1.5-4.5x33 Bushnell on it that worked pretty well but have removed it and plan on getting an EOTech.

esskay
January 18, 2005, 07:55 PM
Here's one pictured on the ACE website:
http://www.aceltdusa.com/images04/gallery/180-1-440w.jpg

Personally, I prefer collapsible stocks, while not as compact overall, I like to be able to adjust LOP.

Mannlicher
January 18, 2005, 08:28 PM
I have had mine for nearly two years now. I have thought about mounting optics, but so far the iron sights have served me well. I agree, that shooting without that darn AR15 recoil spring twang next to your face is kinda nice.
My AR180B is as accurate as my other 223
black rifles', 1975 Colt AR-15 Sporter, Bushmaster and Armalite, but not in the same league as my Colt Match target HBAR.
I had some initial chambering problems , but the rifle finally 'shot in' ok, and is now ultra reliable.

Cortland
January 18, 2005, 08:28 PM
I e-mailed ACE a few months ago and was told that they will offer both collapsible and folding stocks for the AR-180B in the then coming year. I assume that means they'll make an AR-180B receiver adapter that will accept their modular stocks.

I have a Bushnell red dot on my 180, too. I have the 1 inch Armalite mount so I had to settle for the 1" single dot model (the multi dot is 30mm). I originally had a 1.5-4x compact scope on mine, but I like the red dot much better.

Lobotomy Boy
January 18, 2005, 10:53 PM
I contacted Armalite last year and they said they had no intention of offering the 180 with a collapsible stock or flash supressor. It seemed like they didn't want to invest any more money developing the gun.

I have the Bushnell Trophy on my Ruger PC9, and like it quite a lot. I like the adjustable reticle. The brightest setting is great for bright sunlight, and the lowest setting works great at indoor ranges. In fact, I don't shoot the gun as much anymore because the range I now go to is only 25 yards, and I can punch magazine after magazine through the ten ring at that range--it gets a little boring. Outdoors at 50-75 yards it's a lot more fun. It's the ultimate squirrel gun. I can pop the little buggers from all the way across my dad's farm yard. The 9mm might not be the ultimate round for stopping large mammals like humans, but against red squirrels it's like a .50 caliber Barett Light Fifty.

Cortland
January 18, 2005, 11:16 PM
When I contacted Armalite shortly after the expiration of the AWB, they said that they would offer a no-ban AR-180B with flash hider, bayonet lug, and fixed stock. I guess they've changed their mind? Too bad :(

KaceCoyote
January 18, 2005, 11:18 PM
Yeah I was waiting for the unban AR-180 to come out before I bought one. :( It just got bumped from my list.

Lobotomy Boy
January 19, 2005, 12:16 AM
My mistake. I went back in my email folders and found the email:

From: ArmaLite Info
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: Collapsible buttstocks on AR180B?


We do not have plans for a folding stock for the AR-180B rifles. We will offer the flash suppressors and bayonet lugs, but have no plans for the stock.

You are correct--flash supressor and bayonet lug, but no collapsible or folding stock. If I can get one elsewhere, I might reconsider getting a 180. But I'm still waiting for Dave's range report...

Oleg Volk
January 19, 2005, 03:14 AM
Nice picture. I played with it a little.

KaceCoyote
January 19, 2005, 04:09 AM
I prefer it in B&W personally, gives off more of that plastic texture. :)

Dave Markowitz
January 19, 2005, 07:11 PM
Oleg, Kace, thanks for playing with the photo. I spent a little time putzing around trying to lighten it up using The GIMP but couldn't get it to where I like it. Looks much better now!

KaceCoyote
January 19, 2005, 07:34 PM
hey my pleasure. :)

Bartholomew Roberts
January 20, 2005, 08:57 AM
I've had a bit of experience with an original Armalite 180 and one of the things that always annoyed me about it was the folding stock. I've never been a fan of loose, jiggly stocks even if Diane Feinstein also doesn't like them. Unless Armalite could improve substantially on the original design (and there may be some engineering reason behind this), I think they did the right thing in sticking with a fixed stock.

shoobe01
January 20, 2005, 09:27 AM
The stock hinge and latches are very much sturdy enough, and allow for a self tightening action, but it actually locks up against a poly buffer. This goes bad after 20-30 years, and doesn;t stick out enough anymore. Shimming it works fine. I put two layers of blue masking tape over the steel part and it never got loose again.

OTOH, I got rid of the gun for mag reliability issues. Still loved it and want something light and handy like that to supplement my FAL. All the 180-Bs I have handled just were not up to Armalite Costa Mesa or even Howa standards. Maybe Sterling.

Cortland
February 1, 2005, 06:40 PM
Flat top! Flash supressor! Bayonet lug! (I think!)
http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT2005/Day2/DSC06312.jpg

Maybe ACE will pony up with their folding stocks by the time the above hits the shelves.

KaceCoyote
February 1, 2005, 07:27 PM
Oh god please make then under 600 dollars!

corncob
February 2, 2005, 10:06 AM
So, how about those of us who shoot left-handed? I'm guessing that is the reason for the homebrew brass deflector. Can the selector switch be reversed?

Dave Markowitz
February 2, 2005, 10:20 AM
Corncob,

You're right, the reason for the homebrew brass deflector is because I shoot lefty and getting hot 5.56mm brass in my face really sucks. This came as an unpleasant surprise, since before buying my AR-180B I'd shot a friend's, and his ejects straight out to the right. But according to ArmaLite, my rifle's ejection pattern is more typical. :banghead:

I haven't tried reversing the selector. Ambi safeties for the AR-15 won't fit, because the AR-180B receiver is a little bit wider where the selector fits (this is according to ArmaLite). I''ve come up with an idea for making an ambi safety for the AR-180B using the OEM selector from my AR-15, which I replaced with a DPMS ambi unit. But I need access to someone with a tap & die set so that'll have to wait. For now I just use my left index finger to work the selector.

corncob
February 9, 2005, 10:40 AM
Is it true that the barrel and chamber are not chorme-lined? How does this affect break-in/cleaning compared to an AR-15? What about accuracy? Searching the archives I've seen a lot of folks put it closer to mini-14 territory than AR15 territory. Anybody who owns one of these things have actual numbers? (Especially with a hot barrel) Are they really any more reliable than an AR15?

jacketch
February 9, 2005, 11:51 AM
Are they really any more reliable than an AR15?
I have fired over 3000 rounds through mine with minimal cleaning and no failures.

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