[ETCss Phil McCrackin]

I'm at a loss as to why this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6505835077&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT) has not been pulled by E-Bay. With only his word that it does not fire, is that even legal?

[mondocomputerman]

Seems like a functioning pistol to me! Before the ban lifted, I posted a high capacity Glock 19 magazine and they pulled it.

[HarryB]

Its described as cannot be fired, what ever that means.

My BS meter is pegged though. Why would someone sell a father's war trophy and if it is a war trophy shouldn't there be capture papers that acompany it? The P-38 of my grandfather has such doumentation.

[SmershAgent]

The seller said there were SS bolts engraved on the pistol? Was it typical for the SS to brand their small arms in that manner? I saw a K98 for sale once for ~$600 because it had SS runes on the side. Needless to say, I did not take it home.

[El Rojo]

Well the good news is right now the winning bidder's name is "gayblackbuttercup". Yeah I know, off topic.

[RooK]

My BS meter is pegged though. Why would someone sell a father's war trophy and if it is a war trophy shouldn't there be capture papers that acompany it? The P-38 of my grandfather has such doumentation.

Not really. I have a Arisaka T38 my grandfather brought back from the Pacific in WWII (Phillipines to be exact). I have no documentation that it was a war trophy, then again he might have lost the papers.

[Diggler]

Heck, you could remove the firing pin and it 'wouldn't fire'.

Then send the firing pin later.

[ScottsGT]

I sent the following to the seller:

You do realize that you are about to commit a felony if you ship this gun via USPS?! Whether it fires or not, it is still a handgun, which BTW, is not allowed to be sold on E-bay. I am not going to turn you into the E-bay "cops", since it is not my job to do so. I just hope you do the right thing and ship this via UPS or FedEx and to an FFL (gun dealer) for a legal transfer. (responsibility of the buyer to find one in his area that will transfer) Good luck, and stay legal!

Personally, I'd love to see him get away with this by breaking E-bay rules! I just don't want him to get nailed by the ATF!

[Trebor]

The auction violates eBay's rules. That doesn't bother me.

The seller says they'll ship via US Mail. That's a problem. They also don't seem to know that they have to send it to a FFL holder. That's another problem.

I e-mailed the seller with that info. If they don't get back to me with a good answer, I'll contact eBay to have the auction pulled. I don't care that they are violating eBay rules, but the seller seems totally unaware of the law.


Btw, eBay would still pull a high cap mag if sold today. They are illegal in California, and eBay will pull them for that reason. The end of the fed ban is not relevant to them because of the CA law.

[Diggler]

Maybe he'll luck out and sell to a C&R holder.

[sturmruger]

WOW this guy is a real idiot! I can't believe he thinks he can just sell a pistol and then ship it to anyone he wants.

[HighVelocity]

I emailed the seller and asked him "what exactly keeps it from firing?" Will post his reply if I get one.

[deanf]

I didn't know that THR had turned into the eBay hall-monitor web page.

Let the guy run his auction unmolested. As long as he's not defrauding anyone, there is no victim, no matter who he sells it to, or how he ships it, functioning gun or not.

It's none of our business - let's leave him alone.

[Art Eatman]

deanf, you're presuming the buyer won't get busted for violation of transfer laws, aren't you? Possibly unknowingly, but then I'm a cynic. Even if the buyer is determined to be innocent, I can't help but think, "Legal fees".

Art

[2nd Amendment]

I love the fact he is rolling right through ebay's absurd in-house rules. Just get him to be certain to ship it correctly and all I can say is absolutely, more power to him. :)

[popeye]

The "SS" part I question. It looks more like the Eagle proof marks that were stamped on my P38. Marks meaning that gun was was tested with ammo 20% over standard. Looks like G.I. bring home, but not anything more special than that.

[fulloflead]

It seems odd that pro-gun people who normally hate gun laws are the first to turn a guy in for breaking them. Why is that? :confused:

My first reaction was to shrug my shoulders and say ,"Good luck with that", and mind my own business.

[Trebor]

No one has suggested turning the guy in to the authorities. Heck, no one has even suggested narcing him out to eBay for violating their rules.

There is a concern that the seller doesn't know he's planning on breaking the law. He could face problems, as could the buyer. No one has ratted him out to anyone, but a couple of us have contacted him to set him straight on the law and help keep him out of trouble.

Tell me again how that means we "turned him in?"

[Gewehr98]

Particularly this:

Heck, no one has even suggested narcing him out to eBay for violating their rules.

When just above, you posted this:

If they don't get back to me with a good answer, I'll contact eBay to have the auction pulled. :scrutiny:

I've sold several hi-cap magazines through e-Bay. I just call them 10-round magazines, as does everybody else who does so. The funny thing is, nobody ratted me out, although I received several messages commending me on making a mockery of e-Bay's in-house rules.

[ETCss Phil McCrackin]

Hey, I don't care if the guy wants to sell his 5 fully operational "Hiter's PERSONAL guns". I'm just trying to see if I'm as dumb as I look....

[hvengel]

The auction has been pulled. I don't know if the seller or eBay pulled it. He should be doing this auction on AuctionArms in any case since it has information on how to do this without getting into trouble and all of the buyers know what is going on as well.

[El Rojo]

I wonder why it got pulled? Nothing like a bunch of THR members to monitor eBay and enforce their rules for them. :barf:

[Psssniper]

Ahh..... Hitler youth
you vill follov zee rulez :D

[Gewehr98]

I'm just trying to see if I'm as dumb as I look....
That depends if you bid on it, or won the auction. ;)

Now it doesn't matter, I think El Rojo is correct. It looks like somebody took matters into their own hands, perhaps somebody from THR's own branch office of the ATF? :scrutiny:

[USP45usp]

Maybe it was an act of civil disobedience (okay, it's misspelled). I say, damn the laws and let them do it. If enough people get the balls to actually say that the rules and/or laws are not to be obeyed because they are wrong then let them be the test cases. It's more then what most here would do (not to insult, just the general impression that I get from the majority of folks).

I guess that Rosa Parks should have just shut up and gone to the back of the bus. Would have been unlawful to willfully disobey a law now wouldn't it.

Oh, and one last thing, who says that this person didn't have an FFL01? If I put on the gun auctions that I will ship USPS, what makes you automatically think that I don't hold an FFL and am unlawful to do so?

I do think that we have more busy bodies upon the board then we thought :evil:

Wayne

[deanf]

He should be doing this auction on AuctionArms in any case. . . .

Yeah Yeah! He should be doing what we say 'cause we know best for him! Someone git the rope! :barf:

[duck hunt]

I do think that we have more busy bodies upon the board then we thought

I get more of an Eddie Haskell vibe....."why hello, Mr. ATF man, that's a lovely nightstick you have there, sir!" :p

[sturmruger]

I am sure we have all done something that we didn't have to. Like watching out for someone's kid when they were about to hurt themselves.

This guy was a total idiot and was fixing to get himself raided by the ATF. A federal felony is nothing to sneeze at. I think whoever turned him in did him a favor.

[El Rojo]

This guy was a total idiot and was fixing to get himself raided by the ATF. A federal felony is nothing to sneeze at. I think whoever turned him in did him a favor.Right. I am sure he was high on the list of raids for next week. Man sells handgun on eBay. You are making some big assumptions that he was just going to sell it and not go through the proper channels. You know what assuming does? It makes you look foolish.

Try and defend yourselves all you want, but it looks to me like we don't need the Brady Bunch to keep an eye on us when we have plenty of people around here to do it for us.

[Trebor]

Gehwr98.

I stand by my statements. I never said I'd contact eBay because the auction violates their rules. I did later say I'd contact eBay if I didn't hear from the seller. But, it wouldn't be because the auction violates eBay's rules: It would be because the sale would violate the law if it went through without going through a FFL. I don't care about eBay rules. I do care that the seller and the buyer could face charges because of the seller's ignorance.

I will admit my posts weren't clear and it is a subtle distinction.

I see ads for 10+ round mags on eBay all the time. I don't care that they violate eBay's rules, because the mags are no longer LEO/MIL restricted.

In any event, evidently someone contacted either eBay or the seller wised up. I contact the seller to fill him in, but not eBay.

[Trebor]

Right. I am sure he was high on the list of raids for next week. Man sells handgun on eBay. You are making some big assumptions that he was just going to sell it and not go through the proper channels. You know what assuming does? It makes you look foolish.

The seller indicated the handgun would be shipped via US Priority Mail. There was nothing to indicate that the seller is a FFL holder. The gun is supposedly an inheritance and none of the other auctions for the seller were for anything remotely firearms related. If he's not a FFL holder, which seems most likely, then mailing a handgun through the U.S. Mail is a federal crime. The odds are that the auction was the result of ignorance by the seller. Unfortunately, that sort of ignorance can get people in serious trouble.

[quote] Oh, and one last thing, who says that this person didn't have an FFL01? If I put on the gun auctions that I will ship USPS, what makes you automatically think that I don't hold an FFL and am unlawful to do so? [/quote}

The seller said the gun was an inheritance from his father. That indicates that it is not from "dealer stock" at the very least.

The seller did not know much about the firearm. The description was vague and inaccurate.

The seller did not have any other firearms related items for sale. If the seller was selling a bunch of holsters and accessories, etc, then there is the possibility it is a FFL dealer trying to slip one past eBay.

The seller did not say they had an FFL and did not mention that the firearm would have to be shipped to a FFL or C&R FFL.

It just looks like someone who owned a gun that they didn't want and weren't familiar with either eBay's rules or, more importantly, Federal law.

[Art Eatman]

For the naysayers here: I don't understand what's wrong with trying to keep somebody--seller or buyer--from running afoul of the laws as they are written.

I'm not talking about eBay rules. I'm talking about the laws we're stuck with, and it doesn't matter at all whether we love'em or hate'em, we're stuck with them.

What's wrong with trying to keep a probably-ignorant person from potential legal problems?

Art

[duck hunt]

I think sending him an email that says "Hey, did you know...." is a fine and friendly thing to do.

Running to the Ebay hall monitor whining "Mr. Ebay! Mr. Ebay! Howie's selling guns and he's not shipping them to an FFL and I'M TELLING" is incredibly lame.

It all depends on how it went down.

[Psssniper]

Oh no! this guy may be selling a HICAP glock mag and not even know it!!
His picture are dark and you can't see the holes on the back of the mag. Some unknowing person from Kalifornia might buy this and break the law.
And the seller would be breaking the law by shipping it into Kalifornia
And to top it off read his Q&A !!!

Questions from other buyers
Q: how many rounds does this clip hold answered on: Jan-17-05
A: Sorry, but I am not too familiar with hand guns or its parts. Thank you for looking

We experts know that a G-23 has a capacity of either 10-13-15 rounds!!
I'm gonna email him and if he doesn't answer I'm calling the BATFEC&B
(Bunch of Alcohol, Tobaccy, Firearms, Explosives, Chips and Beer) :D


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36257&item=7128172870&rd=1

So how far do we want to take this? (tongue in cheek, sarcasm on!)

[Psssniper]

(sarcasm on) Looks like the "Hitler Youth" got this guy too........(sarcasm off)

Got suspended from Egay.... 30+ days

Posted By: Anon
Date: 1/20/05 11:18

I know I know you guys all hate Ebay,and will just tell me to sell my parts over here and over there.
I got 3 warnings to stop putting high capacity Glock magazines on there auctions.I never understood what they were talking about,since all my magazines were only able to hold 10 at once.
After every warning,I would relist it,and be even more spacific on my discription.Sometimes the mag would sell,and other times I would get another warning.The last warning I got it said that there were to be no more magazines on Egay that could fit an assault weapon,regardless of the capacity.So I then relist it with all the above and add this Glock magazine will not fit any assault weapons.BAM.... suspended for 30+ days for listing anything,leaving feedback,or getting feedback.
I was getting a little more for my magazines,and a few small gun parts on Egay,that's why I choose to sell there and not here.To me there's to much comp here.
Ive emailed them explaining to them what I had listed,and to what rules I broke.We will see what those little liberal XXXXXXX have to say

[Diggler]

Of course, maybe HE'S the spider and YOU'RE the fly...

[Bobarino]

all gone. eBay pulled it.

Bobby

[Ralphpeters]

I seen magazines on ebay. It said 10 rounds but i counted 14 holes. I thought the guy was an idiot that didnt know what he was selling, or he was running a scam. You know buy a magazine you thought was hi cap get a AWB mag, you cant complain you didnt get what you bid on.
Now i know. lol

[Diggler]

I think what you have to watch for is "This magazine holds ten rounds." Heck, my 30 round AK magazines hold 10 rounds... and 11 rounds.. and 25 rounds etc. If they said that it holds UP TO 10 rounds, that's different.

[patentmike]

Seems like an innocent enough seller, but before you jump all over the guy, think of the other side of the transaction. It's the kind of buyer that can only buy on ebay that can give responsible gun owners a bad name. Who knows what sort of frenchman, felons, or NBA players are bidding on the stuff? Of course, it could be a sting too. This looks like a heck of a deal too, but not if you go to prison.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7127996924&ssPageName=ADME:B:WN:US:1

[Gewehr98]

I guarantee they will hold at least ten rounds. All my customers have been very happy with their "10 round" magazines, too! :D

[Diggler]

This looks like a heck of a deal too, but not if you go to prison.
i could not get the part that attaches to the barrel loose and i did not want to force it so it goes with the barrel. Uh, you mean the RECEIVER?? :what:

http://i3.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/36/41/65_1_b.JPG

[El Rojo]

FELON! Everyone send an e-mail to eBay immediately and get this criminal off of the streets before some more children die! :D

[Diggler]

It's sad.

Because that's the way it SHOULD be... openly buying and selling. Could you imagine if you could buy an AR-15 on Ebay like you were buying baseball cards? No special shipping, no FFL's... just order it, and a few days later the brown truck delivers it to your door.

[Flyboy]

Could you imagine....

Imagine there's no Bradys
I wonder if you can
Nothing to fill out forms for
Just the rights of man