NYC makes manufacturers/dealers liable?

Here's the thread (http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38437.htm).

Anyone know how this effects purhcases and what the selling criteria is that manufacturers and dealers have to abide by?

How many gun dealers are in NYC? And since most firearms used in crimes are stolend I can't see how the dealer/manufacter should be held responable.

-Bill

Anyone know how this effects purhcases and what the selling criteria is that manufacturers and dealers have to abide by?

Dealer: I see you're buying two handguns. You aren't planning to sell these to some hoodlum on the street, are you?
Buyer: Nope
Dealer: And you aren't going to use them to commit crimes, are you?
Buyer: Nope
Dealer: And you're not lying to me, are you? You know I could get in a lot of trouble if you do something bad with these?
Buyer: I'm cool

:rolleyes:

Just another meaningless law that's going to create a lot of headache for honest dealers. It's much easier for the politicians in NY to pass crap like this and give soundbites about how they're "getting tough on gun violence" than to address the actions of the people who are actually responsible for said violence. In many instances, guns change hands legally multiple times before they end up in crimes. How far back does the "chain of culpability" go?

Mayor Daley is currently demanding that we adopt a similar measure here in the Republik of Illinois.

It just proves that Mayor Bloomberg is A Republican in name only. He actually used to be a Democrat then switched parties to get elected. Another law he passed was to ban smoking in bars and restaurants in NYC.

If New York ever grows up, it will realize violent crime is caused by criminals, not guns, gun dealers, law-abiding American citizens, et alia.

The odds on New York ever growing up aren't astronomically high.

boy these rinos suck, arnie , bloomberg. who else?

This isn't just about dealers in NYC, but anywhere. If someone buys a gun in Virginia that later ends up being used in a crime in NYC, NYC will sue the dealer in VA if they don't follow NYC's rules like not selling more than one gun to a person in a month.

We really need someone smart on the relevant Constitutional issues to address this issue. To wit:

How can a citizen of, say, Virginia, who sells a firearm or firearms in the state of Virginia, in accordance with the laws of Virginia and of the United States, be held liable fo violating the laws of the state and/or city of New York?

I don't think even the current SCOTUS would stretch the full faith and credit clause that far.

Langenator:
It's not about criminal charges, but civil charges. They're not trying to send the dealer to jail, they're trying to sue him/her. They're codifying the rules they want the dealers to follow, and if they don't they're subject to lawsuit.

And people wonder why I say things got better when I moved from NYC to NJ.

It's still a Constitutional issue: Can you sue me in NY for something I did in VA/SC/WA or any other state?

I would have to say that you can't do it. If you want to sue me for violating Bloomberg Edict #3000, I have to have violated the Edict within the boundaries where said Edict is law.

I know of a case involving a well-known handgun manufacturer. Many years ago they sold some pistols to a police department. Eventually the police department purchased new handguns and as part of the deal traded in their old guns to a distributor. The distributor sold them to various retailers in full compliance with all applicable laws. A retailer sold one of the pistols to an individual, again in full compliance with the statutes. But an unknown person stole the gun from the legal owner. Years later the gun was used in a shooting where a police officer was killed.

So now the officer’s survivors are suing the gun manufacturer, and possibly the distributor and retailer involved – but not the police department of course.

What the anti-gun advocates in New York, Chicago and elsewhere what to do is encourage civil lawsuits against the firearms trade – manufacturers, importers, distributors and retailers - in hope that the ungodly expense of defending themselves will bankrupt some of them. The civil suits will of course be filed in a New York, Chicago or wherever court rather then a court where the respondents are located. It is unlikely anyone associated with the gun industry will get any justice there.