A thought in Mickey D's ........
P95Carry
March 5, 2003, 07:55 PM
Ok, this is a speculative ramble ... bear with me!!
Last week I stopped off at a Mickey D's on way home .. hunger got the better of me after some trap and skeet. As I sat, ''attacking'' my wings and the like, I watched a guy come in alone, and something about him was slightly ''unsettling'' ..... observational paranoia in fact as it happened .... he ordered and left but ....... as one does, watching people discretely, now and again some ''stand out''. It's just being ''aware''.
It occurred to me tho that, in the unlikely event he had been packin and was gonna rob the place ...... I was VERY uncomfortably aware of my very greasy and thus slippery hands .... and if I had had to draw, real quick ..... I doubt the grip on my gun would have been too useful!!
Yeah, I know ... pretty far fetched sorta deal to worry about but - did make me stop and think of those situations, temporary usually, where for one reason or another, you are hindered from acting as you would normally expect to be able to. A similar deal might be workin under the car hood .... oil on the hands etc ....... may not be much time to wipe hands!!
So -- if you were ''caught out'' ....... what's your answer?? Do your best I guess .. or don't eat chicken with your fingers!!:D
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Double Naught Spy
March 5, 2003, 08:06 PM
There is a very good reason to have a gun like a 1911 with 20-30 lpi checkering and the tips left on. At 20 lpi, the points are almost painful, but once gripped and the points pressed into the skin, chicken grease, water, or blood isn't going to cause you to lose your grip. Stippling and vertical serrations won't do much good at all and heaven forbid you have a polymer gun like a Glock with one of those rubber band grip enhancers and have a greasy or bloody hand. Those things are terrible!
P95Carry
March 5, 2003, 08:23 PM
DNS ..... you made an excellent point there ....... and makes me realize in fact that perhaps another very likely ''sticky'' problem could well be from blood .. thru an injury or aquired from an assailant.
Actually, after this odd piece of thinkin, I did check out my grip ability on the P95 with oil on hands ..... and surprisingly, it was not as bad as expected .... but I certainly see your point re the chequering on a 1911. makes me think!!
krept
March 5, 2003, 08:32 PM
I hope my first instinct would be to wipe my hands on my shirt or pants on the drawstroke (or even wipe them as soon as you ID trouble). That should help some and you don't have to go looking for a napkin.
agony
March 5, 2003, 08:40 PM
Always grab a bunch of napkins, and wipe those greasy hands!
Also, a napkin spread out on your lap, helps bring a concealed pistol into action whilst keeping it hidden from view.
sm
March 5, 2003, 08:53 PM
Thats why I stress the "gun fit" idea so much.
I also have been criticized for shooting in rain, cold, mud, and snow. I want to know how my gun will 'fit' and work in all sorts of conditions.
Mickey D's should be ok for me...checked out greasy hands from BBQ ribs at the range...appalled some I'd handle a nice 1911 that way...shot fine...skateboard tape and rubber grips works for me.
'sides it ain't right eatin' ribs any other way--not in the South anyway...
PerfectGlock
March 5, 2003, 09:40 PM
That's why I eat everything with a fork or spoon.
Since you eat "uncivilized:neener: ", checkering would be a good idea, or at least some skateboard tape.
AR-10
March 5, 2003, 09:55 PM
Napkin.
I like the novel fork and spoon concept, too. You could throw the fork and stab the dude, or throw it behind him and distract him.;)
Sven
March 5, 2003, 11:19 PM
My options would be more limited - I can't carry a concealed weapon, as I live in California.
P95Carry
March 5, 2003, 11:36 PM
I can't carry a concealed weapon, as I live in California. That really sux .... I truly feel for you Sir.:(
cheygriz
March 6, 2003, 12:09 AM
I find that any of the stippled rubberized grips, such as those on my Sig P239 work well even with slippery hands.
10-Ring
March 6, 2003, 12:29 AM
Not too far fetched when you consider all the shootings in fast food locations in the past. Crime is possible anywhere! That is why you should always be aware of your surroundings & place yourself in a more defendable location w/in the store or eat in your car ;)
arinvolvo
March 6, 2003, 03:44 AM
This is the EXACT reason I started training to draw my weapon with my left foot....
I know, I know....I SHOULD be training to use BOTH feet....but right now, the left dog is getting all the attention.
And you may be thinking, "But Arin, why would I want to shoot my pistol with my foot?"
And my answer is this: When was the last time you had chicken grease on your feet?:)
sm
March 6, 2003, 03:58 AM
quote: "Since you eat "uncivilized ", checkering would be a good idea, or at least some skateboard tape".
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I'll say again, my guns fit, have and continue to shoot in wet, cold , rain and snow...been known to have blood on my hands also...blood is an interesting fluid when it comes to grip. I kept shooting, kept gun downrange...in real life I won't be able to yell "time out". Skateboard tape, rubber grips on 1911. My niche gun works well as is.
I take your comment in the spirit of fun. I choose to practice very seriously.
Seriously--in the South, its a sin to eat ribs with utensils...used to be a hanging offense...might still be in some parts...;)
sm
March 6, 2003, 04:11 AM
Situational Awareness is crucial anywhere.
The next evening I was toting my 1911 IWB at one of the Country Clubs. Coat and tie, clean shaven and all. Knew which was the lemon fork, used the correct fork for the salad. Used the soup spoon correctly (away from me ) . Handled the prime rib and lobster just fine.
Only problem was --two other couples--we all wanted the 'seat' to where we could read the room. All of us CCW. I might add something sexy about a lady in black with a inside thigh holster...
COHIBA
March 6, 2003, 09:49 AM
next time your at the range try this.
25 yard sprint to a bucket of soapy water dunk both hands draw engage target w/ mag change.
if you can do it wing sauce wont be a problem.
Mike Irwin
March 6, 2003, 01:37 PM
Obviously you need to invest in some tactical wet naps...
jmbg29
March 6, 2003, 02:23 PM
Yo quiero Taco Bell!:p
yzguy
March 6, 2003, 02:27 PM
Obviously you need to invest in some tactical wet naps...
do those come in black??
:)
TheFrontRange
March 6, 2003, 02:28 PM
Obviously you need to invest in some tactical wet naps...
...and they could be easily and conveniently carried in one of a photo-style vest's myriad of pockets! :) (Hey, I wear those things sometimes so I can kid about them...)
Jesse H
March 6, 2003, 02:39 PM
Nice to know that I'm not the only person that thinks about these things.
Sometimes I'll have hands covered in 10w30 and I tell myself, dang I'd hate to have to draw now.
tobeat1
March 6, 2003, 06:00 PM
SKATEBOARD TAPE! This stuff is awesome. Even after cleaning my guns, lubing them down the gun still sticks to my hand. Cheaper than checking and wont tear up you clothes.
Blueduck
March 6, 2003, 09:28 PM
Every time I see a stuff about skateboard tape and checkering I recall seeing how Jerry Miculek prefered smooth woods grips for fast and furious shooting and even rubs corn starch on his hands to make it even slicker. Guess fit is as big an issue as traction...
JohnKSa
March 6, 2003, 09:40 PM
Jerry Miculek prefered smooth woods grips Heard him explain why the other day. It's to allow him to slide the grips around in his hand in case he takes an improper grip during the draw.
PerfectGlock
March 6, 2003, 11:32 PM
Seriously--in the South, its a sin to eat ribs with utensils...used to be a hanging offense...might still be in some parts...
Sorry, I'm a Yankee:). I eat everything with utensils. Candy bars, chicken wings, you name it. I don't like getting my hands dirty in case I need to use them in an instant.
By the way, that comment was directed to P95Carry, I didn't scroll down far enough to see your post.
Kahr carrier
March 7, 2003, 06:09 AM
I always take my food to go .:D
GlocksRock
March 7, 2003, 12:41 PM
Has anyone around here ever tried A-Grip from Brooks tactical? I have never personally used it because I find it to be ugly, but supposedly it works great with wet/sweatty hands so I figure it would be ok with greasy hands too.
Serpico
March 7, 2003, 05:16 PM
Gun or no gun....proper etiquette says to use a napkin to hold those items....
Topgun
March 7, 2003, 06:26 PM
That's why I had a bayonet put on my CCW gun, a S&W 640.
I eat with the bayonet part.
Best part is.....do I ever get SERVICE!!!!!!!!!
:D
DonGlock26
March 7, 2003, 06:47 PM
My G-26 is dishwasher safe, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.:D
denfoote
March 8, 2003, 01:12 AM
Get Agrip (http://brookstactical.com/Pages/whtsagrp.html) !!! I had it on my ex-G30 and it works!! My wife has a set on her G26. Wet, greasy, it don't matter!!
Aikibiker
March 8, 2003, 04:21 AM
Why waste time drawing your gun?
Just pelt the bad guy with those McNuggets. They are quite lethal and already in hand.
Or just keep a few extra napkins handy.
Serpico
March 8, 2003, 01:20 PM
If someone help up the place at the same moment I was licking BBQ sauce from my fingers, I would take it as a sign from above that my best recourse would be to observe and not engage...possibly saving bystanders from gunfire and myself from a class acton suit from the employess should the fry kid take a hit...sadly, these are the things we must think about in the times we live in...
Lone Star
March 9, 2003, 08:14 AM
If you're eating in McDonald's, the only difference in whether a holdup man kills you or the food does is one of time...:)
Lone Star
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