How should you train?


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nsf003
March 5, 2003, 10:13 PM
I shoot boxes and targets in the backyard about 1-2 times a month. There are no ranges near me. LFI, Frontsight, etc.. are too expensive right now. How can I train for the possibility of a self defense shooting?

nsf

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Blackhawk
March 5, 2003, 11:25 PM
Pulling the trigger is one of MANY things that make up an SD shooting. There's situational awareness, drawing, speed, target acquisition, and a pile of others.

Outline them all, then practice them all individually, then all together. A mirror and video camera help. You'll be awkward. Get smooth and fast. Then practice at a range with live ammo or in your backyard, you lucky sucker! :D

10-Ring
March 6, 2003, 12:33 AM
As silly as you might feel in the beginning, remember to strive for perfect practice. You will perform like you practice! Getting the repetitions in & building the muscle memory is important. Dry fire practice will help you out as well. Then when you can get to the range, the time spent there will be more productive.

Duke of Lawnchair
March 6, 2003, 12:38 AM
10-ring's approach is the approach I'd take. Wait, matter of fact, it WAS the approach I took!!

trapshooter
March 6, 2003, 01:10 PM
For the average joe (non-LE), knowing when to shoot is real important. Mind-set is something you can work on. But, marksmanship is a key element. You really want to hit what you shoot at, assuming everything else is cool.

You can practice marksmanship by dry-firing, or live shooting at any target small enough to make things interesting. Just because you don't use a 'range', doesn't make it ineffective.

WESHOOT2
March 6, 2003, 03:29 PM
Train your mind.

blades67
March 6, 2003, 10:04 PM
Every day. Like your life depends on it (you never know, it just might).

Texas Bob
March 6, 2003, 10:11 PM
Nothing beats competition for training. Find just one friend and an electronic timer and the two of you can shoot it out at opposing targets in your backyard.:)

P95Carry
March 6, 2003, 10:21 PM
Nothing I guess replaces practice .. never will. havin said that .. over the many years I shot competitively .. much of that from the leather ... there is still a good imprint, despite my practice bein too infrequent these days.

Much has to do with the ''instinct'' ... and for newer CCW's I would sure emphasize the practice. For ole farts like me .. it is still very important but ... there is still that aspect of having once learded to ride a bicycle .. you never forget. get a tad rusty maybe but .. years of shooting do leave their effect.

Still ... must get to range again, real soon.!! Dry fire has it's limitations.

Edward429451
March 6, 2003, 10:48 PM
Good advice so far but I'd add to not try to be fast. Go for smoothness and 'economy of motion'. Pay attention to your draw and watch to see if you can trim your movements down to minimum required to get on target. Practice the minimum movement draw a couple thousand times and the speed will come by itself!

Its not practice makes perfect. It's perfect practice makes perfect. I like that!

I've been training double taps COM but late breaking info indicates I should be training on the 'failure to stop' drills also ( DT COM followed by a head shot) in case the DT dont stop them!

Haven't in a while but used to train some drawing and putting a DT or TT on target (3-4 ft.) while falling to my back. (in case the are on top of me)

Some guy, Rick something? in G&A used to do a colum on different drills. Pretty good stuff if you dig thru some old issues and find some.

nsf003
March 6, 2003, 10:49 PM
I guess that's what I'll be doing this summer.

nsf

CWL
March 6, 2003, 11:58 PM
If you are going to train by yourself (and we'll assume ALL SAFETY precautions are taken), practice movement.

Hang targets at an angle, partially obscured is also good. Practice shooting failure drills while moving.
Move forward while shooting, move backwards while shooting, sideways, etc. Learn to move while crouched, learn to take proper heel-toe forward and toe-heel backwards movement, crabwalk sideways. Speed of movement is not as important as steady movement. -If you can set up a moving/swinging target, then do it, but if all you can do is move yourself, then this is as good as you can do.

Then practice how to change magazines while moving, never stay still when changing mags -actually, never stay still during a gunfight (unless barricaded).

If you can swing this safely, then try this at night with flashlight.

I don't think you need to practice at greater ranges than 15 yards to start, you may want to increase this distance after a few thousand rounds of practice.

This said, I suggest you find some local trainers to teach you these basics before doing them yourself.

nsf003
March 7, 2003, 12:55 AM
What is a failure drill? I shoot a Taurus 357(main gun, the one i shoot most), a Ruger 9mm(parents gun, must be proficient with all), and a Taurus 22(backup). Does a failure drill pertain only to semiautos, meaning a jam?

nsf

Texas Bob
March 7, 2003, 05:31 PM
Revolvers can fail, anything mechanical can fail. Try loading one blank(spent shell) and close the cyclinder so you don't know where it is. When you encounter the blank, KEEP PULLING the trigger. It never ceases to amaze me to see a newbie stop and "stare" at their firearm when everything does not go as planned. This "spent" shell drill will tell you if you are flinching.:)

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March 7, 2003, 06:43 PM
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Coltdriver
March 7, 2003, 07:23 PM
I think most of the above constitute good advice.

I would suggest you do some homework on the WWII OSS (Office of the Secret Service) studies on self defense shooting.

They uncovered some timeless attributes of humans during a life threatening situation. They also came up with ways to blend your training and actions with the instinctive reactions you will have in those situations.

If you train with these instinctive responses in mind, your effectiveness in an actual situation will be multiplied.

If you don't learn about these things you may find yourself hindered by your own instinctive actions in a way that you did not anticipate and in a way that may be contrary to all of the training you have spent time on.

CWL
March 7, 2003, 07:53 PM
By 'failure drill' I mean what is also known as a 'Mozambique' or 'El Presidente'.

It means two shots COM followed up by one in the head.

Of course throwing a few random dummy loads into your practice would be good FTF/FTE practice.

Woodchuck
March 7, 2003, 09:36 PM
You need to practice every day. Get some snap caps so you can dry fire. Practice target aquisition, speed. Drawing from many positions. The main thing is to practice, practice, practice. If you ever need to do it in self defense, it should come naturally. In a tight situation, you should not have to think. It's the difference between life and death. To practice shooting accurately, shoot a .22 long rifle handgun or pelletgun/bbgun handgun so that you can practice everyday. The cost is minimal and with a bb gun you can practice indoors if you have to. To get a steady hand for shooting, you need to build strength. A friend of mine who was an exceptional handgunner used to hold a one gallon milk jug filled with water at arms length for several minutes every morning. He used to do it while sitting on the john. I have never seen anybody that could hold a hangun so still as he. It is thge biggest secret of all good handgunners. They can hold the sight picture indefinitely.

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