[444]

Two years ago, I ordered a Ruger 10/22 with an integral suppressor. I found out today, my dealer got the barrel/suppressor and nothing else. He said that he would order me a factory 10/22 and install the barrel onto the new action.
OK, so this got me thinking. Should I go ahead and let him get me a regular 10/22 to use for an action or should I consider getting one of those aftermarket actions from Brownells ? The ones that are really made out of stainless.
Trigger: I am going down tomorrow to a different local shop and buying a Kidd Trigger that they have in stock.
Stock: Another dilema. This rifle is going to be a "sporter" rifle. Not a bench rifle. I want something that is practical to carry around, not some huge piece of lumber or something with an adjustable cheek rest. I have always been partial to the Hogue Over-Moulded stock myself, but don't have any real experience with it.
Scope Mount/Rings. What is the hot set up in scope mounts and rings ? The last good aftermarket scope mount I bought was a one piece mount from Jack Weigand. The problem with that set-up is that it doesn't offer enough clearence for a large objective lens (the rings are machined as one piece with the base).
Optics: I want to put a fairly large magnification scope on this rifle. Right now I am thinking along the lines of one of the higher end rimfire scopes vs. buying a Leupold from Premier Reticle that has the parallax adjusted to 50 yards.

Again, this is a fairly high end project. I have over $900 invested in the base gun/suppressor. I am not interested in flea market Chinese optics or any kind of low budget parts. I want the good stuff.

[Otherguy Overby]

STI Guns make some really trick 10/22 stuff

www.stiguns.com

http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Model22/Model22.html

I'm quite sure they'll sell individual parts, too

Georgetown, TX 78628
512-819-0656

Call 'em on the phone and ask for Chris

Let me/us know what's said.

[boohsdad]

444 I have 3 10/22 they all carry the houge stock 2 are build bymyself and one is a Clark. as to the regular receiver or the stainless dont see a big advantage. scopes use both weaver and leupold they do a great job.

I see you are in Vegas and you are welcome to try the ones I have. If it took me as long to get the parts from my dealer as it did you I would not want any further work from them.

Roy

[George S.]

This sounds like quite a project. You might get some help over on Rimfire Central http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/ They have 4 separate sections devoted completely to the 10/22 and components.

For a stock, you might want to look at Boyd's Ross Thumbhole stock. I have one on my 10/22, and it works fine on a rest and you can add sling swivels to carry it around. It doesn't weigh a lot but is just large enough to hold comfortably but not feel like a bench rifle. The barrel channel is set up for a .920 bull barrel and with mine, I didn't really have to do any inletting.

Jack Weigand makes excellent mounts, so how about his rail with something like a set of Burris Signature Zee rings in the High size. You should be able to mount a scope with a 50mm objective lens.

The factory Ruger receiver is aluminum on both the "blued" and "stainless" rifles so the steel M.O.A. receiver looks like a good deal but you would still have to have a bolt installed and properly headspaced. It looks like that receiver costs as much as an entire basic 10/22 carbine :eek:

[Cindog]

Sounds like a great project. I have read alot about the Kidd triggers and they seem to be universally loved by everyone that has one. As for optics, I would seriously consider a Sightron SII624x42 (http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/776273) or a Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x40 Mil Dot (https://secure.theopticzone.com/webstore/shopping.htm) if you want to save a few bucks over buying a Leupold and still get excellent quality. I would use either the VQ Base (http://www.rimfiresports.com/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RSC&Product_Code=VC10BM&Category_Code=R1A) (if the barrel is already drilled and tapped for it) or the Power Custom Receiver Scope Mount (http://www.staffordsales.com/internals.htm) with Burris Signature Zee rings. Good luck and be sure to post pictures when it is done.

[Fumbler]

If you are going all out get yourself a MOA Stainless reciever, they have two mounting lugs which is far superior than any typical 1 screw reciever.

The KIDD trigger is a great choice.

As far as stocks, get what you want and have it nicely bedded. Extra work would be required to fit a MOA rear lug.
If you have the money, and it sounds like you do, get yourself a McMillan.

Weigand makes a good mount, but I like the felxability of normal weaver rails. Power Custom makes a nice thick and sturdy reciever mounted base, so does Volquartsen.

[Matt-man]

Another suggestion: Send off your bolt to Randy at CT Precision Chambering (http://www.ct-precision.com/) and have him work it over. The KID trigger is superb; there's nothing else like it for a 10/22.

[esskay]

How about one of these RB Precision stocks (http://www.rbprecision.com/id72.htm):

http://www.rbprecision.com/5fb58dc0.jpg

And a Volquartsen (http://www.volquartsen.com/product.asp?pid=130) receiver:

http://www.volquartsen.com/images/RECEIVER.gif

[Fumbler]

If you're going all out don't send your bolt to CPC, just get a Volquartsen.
http://www.volquartsen.com/images/bolt.gif

It has a round firing pin, much better than the inconsistent factory slot and flat pin (which CPC can fix by staking the pin, but it's still not as cool).

[Matt-man]

Yeah, but it doesn't have the jeweled surface!

[Fumbler]

I personally don't like jeweled finishes.
It wouldn't cost much to have a smith jewel a bolt anyway, it's like a $10 operation.

[444]

Some great stuff so far. I haven't had time to look at them much, but definitely some stuff I didn't know about.
I had CPC put me together a rifle a few years ago. Barrel is screwed into the action, trigger job, jeweled bolt, Boyd stock with pressure adjustment to the front end, Weaver T36 scope (I don't remember what mount and rings I used right now)............................
At that time, I was reading a forum on 10/22s: I think it was called Gitz's or something like that. I think the forum mentioned above is the more recent version of that forum. At the time, the rifle I put together was state of the art. I haven't kept up with the 10/22 game since then. And, I think I shot that rifle once.

[zahc]

Stock: Another dilema. This rifle is going to be a "sporter" rifle. Not a bench rifle. I want something that is practical to carry around, not some huge piece of lumber or something with an adjustable cheek rest. I have always been partial to the Hogue Over-Moulded stock myself, but don't have any real experience with it.

Boyd's drop in stocks. I have the smart stock and it is very functional and also pretty.

As for the scope I myself have a custom Leupold from Premier Reticles with a fine crosshair, target turrets, and extended focal range. They are very reasonable and I reccomend them 100%.

[Master Blaster]

I just built one with a B&C corelight stock, its inexpensive and light, and it feels good.

I have bought stocks, accessories, and barrels form this gent and service is fast and prices are good.

He stocks the STI and Volquartsen trigger groups and may have a better price than your local store.

http://hornetproducts.com/default.asp

[owen]

If you ever shoot with a tight sling, I would skip the Hogue overmolded stock. It is VERY flexible, and contacts the barrel.

Owen

[444]

The fact that it contacts the barrel is the reason I have shyed away from it in the past. If feels great in the hands and I think it looks good, but I always wondered if you were giving up a lot of accuracy with it.
As I mentioned, I haven't kept up on the current state of the art in 10/22s, but the last I read, the thing to do was to bed a pressure pad into the end of the stock foreend that exerts pressure on the barrel at that point. That is the purpose of that screw I have on my Boyd's stock. I have also read that if you try to float a heavy barrel in an aluminum 10/22 action, that you will eventually crack the action from the weight of the barrel and the fact that it is acting as a lever due to it's length.
I don't know how heavy my barrel is going to be. I believe it is .920" diameter, BUT keep in mind that it is an integral suppressor: the barrel is far smaller in diamter than the OD of what you see.

[Fumbler]

That's why you should get the steel MOA reciever, it's steel so it's more durable and it has two lugs, so you don't have to bed the barrel in any way.
The guys who put pressure pads in the forarms are doing it to support the barrel weight. With a rear lug on the MOA reciever you wont have that problem.

[owen]

I haven't looked into it since I foo-fooed mine, but when I was investigating custom 10/22's the conversations on rimfirecental.com and benchrest.com were about glass bedding the whole barrel in front of the clamp, and floating the action. Glassing the Hogue Overmolded would stiffen it up alot, but there is MUCHO space to fill on that stock. I am guessing glassing the whole forend would add 2-3 lbs. I also don't recall how they were sucring the gun in the stock with the action floated.

Have you thought about the heat from the suppressor? I don't know how hot a suppressed .22 would get if you decide to do some hosing. IME, it takes about a half a magazine before the MP5SD suppressors become untouchable. That may be another reason to shy away from the overmolded stock.

The other issue I have with the stock is that the comb of the stock is way to low to use with the heads up type sights. I have a Hakko on my 10/22, and I had to pretty much put the side of my chin on the comb to center the dot.

Regardless, it's still hell on a plate rack. :-)

[444]

This may sound like a contradiction, but I am not trying to squeeze the last little bit of accuracy possible out of the 10/22 system. I want to keep the rifle light and agile. I want this rifle to be more at home leaning against the wall to pop the occasional varmint out in the yard rather than filling a role on a benchrest. I want this to be a rifle that would be a pleasure to carry when out walking the dog. I want this rifle to be something that you take a pot shot out the window of the truck when you are off-roading. I am probably not going to be bedding the stock and all that. I am much more interested in good optics in a good mount. Good trigger, although on second thought the Kidd might be beyond what I envision for this rifle. I might take the Kidd and put it on my heavy 10/22 and put the trigger that is presently on that (trigger job done by CPC) and put it on this suppressed 10/22.
This is not to say that I don't want the best and coolest possible outcome. But, I don't want to get away from the fact that I don't want to end up with a heavy, cumbersome target rifle.
On that heavy 10/22 I own, accuracy is the point. That was the goal in building it. This new 10/22 is going to be a field gun.

[Fumbler]

In that case look for a synthetic stock (Bell and Carlson, Volquartsen, McMillan), they're much lighter than laminates. If you like the rubber feel then go with the Hogue. See if you can handle one first, I have one and don't think the grip is the best.
Also, just get yourself a standard 10/22 carbine. IMHO the largest fault of the 10/22 design is the single take down screw. The inside of the reciever is a little loose, but the aftermarket recievers can't improve it but so much and I don't think the amount of improvement is worth the price.

[Master Blaster]

Here is my 10/22 build I wanted light and handy with excellent acccuracy, but not a heavy 10 lb target gun. Mine started out as a standard 10/22 carbine $149 from Dicks

No supressors allowed for us Delawareans:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=119809&highlight=10%2F22

[WhiteKnight]

Hmm, a couple products that you could look into are -
A lightweight Clark barrel
A McMillan sporter stock

Leupold RF compact 4x or 2-7x
Burris Zees (low)

With these you could keep the weight down (even further if you got the Clark barrel chopped to 16") and have a very accurate + handy combination.

[Fumbler]

He already has a barrel, and integrally suppressed one ;)

A McMillan sporter would be nice.

[WhiteKnight]

Doh! That's what I get for only skimming the post... :banghead:

[SDC]

Ironwood Designs has got some pretty neat stuff for the 10/22, but one of the most useful gadgets I've ever seen is their "Dual Action Lever"; this acts as both a magazine-release and a bolt-hold-open device. http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/2Aprodpage/11022prod.html

http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/IWDlever/IWD%20lev1th.JPG

[444]

I finally got over to the dealer and got to fondle both guns today. I also picked up the paperwork, so tomorrow I have to drop all that off at the sheriff's office for the CLEO signoff. Then, who knows how long it will take to get back from ATF.
The pistol is what really pulled my chain. It is cool as hell. Here is the link to both of them:
http://www.advancedarmament.com/products/rimfire/phoenixp.asp
http://www.advancedarmament.com/products/rimfire/phoenixr.asp

As I mentioned, the rifle actually came as just a barrel. It looked like a heavy barrel and there is really no outward sign that it is in fact supressed. Same with the pistol, it looks just like a MK.II with a big barrel on it. Both are stainless in the white.

I ordered these two guns, and paid for them in November of 2002 and am just now getting close to taking them home. After seeing the pistol, it was worth the wait. The dealer says he is never dealing with this company again because they are so slow. His theory is that they make the vast majority of their money on government contracts and the civilian stuff takes a backseat to all that: thus a two year wait.
For what it is worth, I decided to go with this company after reading an article in the Small Arms Review magazine about this particular rifle.

Now I want a suppressor for an AR15: both 5.56 and 9mm AR15s.

[444]

I made it down to the other shop and bought my Kidd trigger.
Wow, I freely spend money on guns, but that trigger was expensive.
Now for the scope mount.
I am going to look over the suggestions on this thread and see what looks good.