[nwmanitou]

I'm so infuriated at what the antis are trying to pull in Washington State. I'm particularily upset at the way the media is covering it. This article really got me upset. There is an email at the bottom, let him know what you think about his comments insinuating that Gun owners have IQ's lower than room temperature and equate us with red neck pigs sqeeling because we can't get to the trough.

"As you might expect, the NRA is squealing like a pig that can't get to the trough. "

"The best source of protection around legislators is common sense and an IQ above room temperature. I realize that excludes some NRA types, but certainly not all"

Here's the link to the article:Ken Shram says you are dumb, loose cannon, pigs (http://www.komotv.com/kenschram/story.asp?ID=35009)

here's his email: Ken Schram (kenschram@komo4news.com )

We better let him know that his opinions and those of the gun banners are in the minority, no matter how loud they seem or how much they slander and misrepresent those of us who actually care about freedom and liberty.

For those of you wondering, the Senate in Wa just proposed several bills that would severly restrict ALL semi automatic Guns as part of a new AWB, out law .50's, and create several more venues closed to CCW.

[sigman69]

I emailed him...he is truely a misguided fool....

[Shorts]

WA state antis gripe about everything. Its constant. :rolleyes:

[gigmike]

I love how they portray the NRA as this big monolithic organization that's somehow evil. They forget that the NRA simply represents the will of its members.

[R.H. Lee]

http://www.komotv.com/news/images/schram_021904.jpg

[Old Dog]

I suspect even the most loyal KOMO-4 News viewers hit the channel-changer on their remotes when Shram's bit comes on ... I don't know anyone who can stand to listen to his diatribes. He enjoys trying to create controversy where none exists.

[Shorts]

I just sent him an email as well...stupid "send messages" option was turned off so can't post what I wrote :rolleyes:

But it was basically along the lines of disarming yourself when in fact you can and should be arming yourself. Moron :neener:

[boofus]

When he gets an American Mensa membership offer and joins, then mensan to mensan, he can lecture me on how low my IQ is. Otherwise he should take VP Cheney's advice and go f--- himself.

[geekWithA.45]

As one legislator aptly put it: "We do things that piss people off every day."

Personally, I think that legislators should consider their vulnerability each and every time they set out to piss off the people.

[R.H. Lee]

Personally, I think that legislators should consider their vulnerability each and every time they set out to piss off the people.
That was when we had a representative form of government. Now there's just them-the ruling class- and us- the cash cows.

[Andrew Rothman]

More flies with honey, and all that.

Mr. Schram,

I'm not the NRA, but I'm not too happy, either, with your commentary.

You write, "Right now, anyone with a concealed weapons permit can pack a pistol into the legislative building," but you never explicitly define what the problem is.

The fact of the matter is this: Carry permit holders are an overwhelmingly law-abiding bunch -- more law-abiding, in fact, than another population: police officers.

Have you seen a lot of shootings by permit holders in Olympia? Any at all? In fact, any criminal use of a weapon, anywhere in the state, by a permit holder?

Yes, legislators ofter piss off voters. Heaven knows, my legislators have pissed me off time and again.

Still, I've never considered shooting any of them, any more than I've considered socking them in the snoot.

And as if your faulty reasoning were not enough, I must say that your rhetoric is as disappointing.

I somehow doubt that you'd use the pig simile or the aspersions of low I.Q. to refer to, say, the NAACP, the ACLU or NOW (although the NRA has a greater membership than those threee groups put together).

That's all the NRA is: a group of Americans who share common interests and goals.

Your use of ad hominem attacks and your lack of factual basis render your opinion piece nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction, not a thoughtful consideration of the issue that one might have hoped for.

You can do better. Please try.

[Bobarino]

i emailed him last night too. last time i emailed him, he actually responded. several times. i was hoping for the same this time, but it looks like that won't happen due to the number of responses. good on all of ya that responded.

Bobby

[Henry Bowman]

Have you seen a lot of shootings by permit holders in Olympia? Any at all? In fact, any criminal use of a weapon, anywhere in the state, by a permit holder?
Actually, Port Angeles, Washington, is the location of the only known incident of a CCW holder killing a police officer (although it was with a rifle from his house).

You can do better. Please try.
Actually, he can't. I listened to his prattle for 11 years when I lived out there. This is standard fare for him.

[George S.]

Ken sometimes doesn't research his facts or at least doesn't care about the facts when he goes off on his high horse

Fact is, there is no legitimate reason for guns to be allowed in the legislative building, or any other government building in Olympia.

It is ONLY the Legislative Building where firearms are premitted by law. Carrying a gun in any other building on the Capitol Campus is specifically prohibited by law. I worked my entire career with the State of Washington in the buildings on the Campus and all employees are told that possession of a gun in the building and in the underground parking garage is illegal.

What I have found interesting, is that of all 5 Senate bills that were introduced, this is the only bill that Ken has commented about (so far!). The proposed Assault Weapons bill is much more of a concern and so frightening in its concept compared to carrying a gun in the Leg Building. In all the 29 years I worked on Campus, I don't think I went there more than a few times. Too scary! The WA Legislature has done more harm than good to us. And it doesn't seem to stop.

[Double Maduro]

My response,

Mr. Schram,

Your article regarding concealed weapons in the capitol building is not very well thought out.

There are several reasons why a person would choose to carry a concealed weapon into the building. The most obvious is the reluctance to leave it unatended in a vehicle.

Your loose cannon remark is also insulting. In order to get a concealed pistol permit in the state of Washington, I had to have my background checked by the local, state and federal authorities. Yes, the FBI did a check and determined me to be of upstanding character and a law abiding citizen. I wonder how many who serve in that building could pass the same scrutiny.

The fact that there have been guns allowed for all this time and no one with a concealed pistol permit has chosen to commit a crime there should show you that this is a law that isn't needed.

As a matter of fact, I believe that anyone, with the intent of causing harm to one or more of our lawmakers, would be more likely to think they could get away with it if the citizens are unarmed.

I believe that, if you care to investigate, you will find that in every state that has enacted concealed carry, crime has gone down. The blood bath's that were predicted haven't happened.

This is a law that is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Thank you for your time,
Richard Lambert

PS. I am not a member of the NRA, but your article has made me think that perhaps it is time to join.


DM

[Justin]

Ken Shram can imply that I'm a pig, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a goose-stepping cryptofascist.

No implication needed on my part.

[GlenJ]

Glad I live in VA here's what I wrote.

I hope you realize by the outcome of the November elections that your views are not in line with mainstream America and I find your comments about the intelligence of gun owners very offensive. I also want to thank you for reminding what the liberal agenda is about so I'll never forget when election time comes around.

[Missouri Mule]

Hell I don't care!
I have been called much worse by a much higher mamalian specie than some knuckle draggin idiot named Ken schram! :rolleyes:

[drone23]

Actually, Port Angeles, Washington, is the location of the only known incident of a CCW holder killing a police officer (although it was with a rifle from his house).

Well he was aiming for Schram but the cop stepped in the way at the last second. :neener:

-D

[FPrice]

Does anyone have a link to the bill in question?

Thanks.

[drone23]

http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2005-06/Htm/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5475.htm (http://)

[DarkKnight01]

This guys calling NRA members pigs.... Has this moron looked in the mirror lately?

I dropped him an email as well...

[oneshooter]

With this one, as with most. Just consider the source!!!

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas

[Standing Wolf]

Ken Shram can imply that I'm a pig, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a goose-stepping cryptofascist.

Are you sure about the "crypto-" part?

[ruger270man]

Heres my email:

Ken,

Noticed I called you by your first name. I don't show respect to those who don't show me respect. I'm an NRA member, yet I am not a pig, and my IQ is 130, which is far above average. I'm sure none of this matters to you, but a writer of your stature should know to investigates stereotypes before writing them off as fact.

Regards,

Patrick -. -----

[Texian Pistolero]

(my email to Ken)


Dear Ken,

I have not been a member of the NRA for over 12 years.

But, thanks to your article,

I was reminded of my civic duties.

Accordingly, I have mailed a check to the NRA for a life membership, just to put the matter to rest, once and for all.

It is so important that you dedicated journalists keep the public eye upon what is truly important.

Keep up the good work, Ken.

Again,

thank you sir.

(name deleted)

[ruger270man]

Texas Pistolero, thats good!

shouldve put the :neener: at the end !

[calzoom]

Schram has been pi****g people off for several years around here. He lives across from some very good friends of mine and most of his neighbors can't stand him either. We pretty much consider him an idiot and go on. Seems his whole life is to stir up s**t and make peoples life misserable. NOW if you want to have some effect, go after KOMO TV in Seattle. I think its komotv.com They are the people who hand him the pay check.

[rdbrowning]

" Right now, anyone with a concealed weapons permit can pack a pistol into the legislative building.

That doesn't set well with lawmakers, who've been known to irritate people on occasion.

As one legislator aptly put it: "We do things that piss people off every day."

So the Senate has introduced a bill to ban guns in the legislative building. "


Maybe instead of introducing a bill to ban guns in the legislative building they should focus on not pissing off the folks they are supposed to repress, I mean represent.

[BluesBear]

Ken Schram is one of the reasons I watch the News on King5.

Here is the e'mail I sent to him.


kenschram@komo4.com

Subject: Swine at Room Temperature.


Dear Mr. Schram,


I am not a pig. I do not squeal or fight for my place at the trough.

I do carry a concealed pistol every day. Why? Because the State of Washington in conjunction with the FBI has decided that I am intelligent and trustworthy enough to do so.

In short it has been determined that I obey the laws.
It has been shown time and time again that ordinances and laws don't deter lawbreakers. They just inhibit the action of us honest folk.

Now as a rule I don't visit the legislature. But I do vote. I do write real letters with real ink. I also send e'mail and make telephone calls to my elected officials.
I do not resort to name-calling, nor do I launch ad hominem attacks.

If I were to drive from my home in Edmonds, down to Olympia, and if I were to choose to enter a legislative building I would be forced to remove my legally carried handgun and leave it inside my vehicle. Now that is not a real problem because as you well know no one ever gets his or her car stolen or burglarized in Olympia.
There is no crime in Olympia because there are laws preventing it.

And of course I won't even mention the recent occurrence of a high ranking police official losing a handgun in the burglary of his unmarked police car. Maybe we need a law against breaking into police cars? I know it would prevent me from doing it.

You said, "Never mind that a concealed weapons permit won't let someone carry a gun onto an airplane, or into a courtroom, or into any federal building."
Well there's another problem. IT SHOULD. The safest place in the entire world for my legally carried pistol is on my person. Under my control.

If I and thousands of other people legally licensed like me in Washington State in addition to those several millions of other law abiding, licensed, responsible gun owners were allowed to carry everywhere there would NEVER have been a huge hole in the ground in New York City where two infamous towers once grandly stood. Nor would there have been ANY loss of life in our nation's capital that fateful day in September 2001.

Of course there might have been four airplanes full of heroes that just might have survived instead of hundreds of heroes who perished.

Mr. Shram. you interact with dozens of CPL holders every day and don't even realize it. Do you know why? Because we follow the law and we believe that concealed means concealed. Statistics show that we are much less likely to ever commit any sort of crime than the general population. We are, as a rule, a very polite, respectful segment of the population.

So please take a moment and consider my words the next time you wish to categorize some group or organization as pigs. Or when you choose to critique my IQ.


Respectfully, your fellow human being,

G. Bear Drury
Edmonds, WA