Hi Caps and Political Reality
Zip06
January 31, 2005, 11:24 AM
Like everyone else I was very pleased to see the AWB go away. Now that it is gone, here in Oregon and next door in the State of Washington, the local Democrats are trying to institute statewide handgun restrictive laws which are similar to the AWB.
Is this just happening here or is it a nationwide push?
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Chupacabra
January 31, 2005, 11:33 AM
It's happening in Washington too.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=122030
:cuss:
VaughnT
January 31, 2005, 11:33 AM
I think that any locale that has a strong liberal population, like LA and Seattle, is going to see a push from the locals to do what they couldn't on a national scale.
Example: California instituted draconian laws regarding what pistols could be sold in the state. Now every manufacturer is redesigning their lineup so that all of their guns meet the standards.
What the SOBs couldn't accomplish nationally, they are getting in through the back door. How many makes are now incorporating an integral locking mechanizm? South Carolina sure didn't require such an animal!
Fight the good fight.
NoHarmNoFAL
January 31, 2005, 11:40 AM
They are starting this crap here in Kolumbus, Ohio. They say that there is now a massive influx of assult weapons now the the AWB is gone and they must protect the sheeple. The sheeple didn't know nor care that these same weapons were here all along. To top it off every time they show what the evil assult weapons look like, they show FA M-16's and FA AKM's. :cuss:
SmershAgent
January 31, 2005, 12:03 PM
They've been trying for years in Illinois.
Standing Wolf
January 31, 2005, 08:08 PM
Is this just happening here or is it a nationwide push?
Having failed abjectly at the national level, the leftist extremists are trying again in selected states known to practice anti-Second Amendment bigotry or believed to be susceptible to it.
G1FAL
January 31, 2005, 11:36 PM
NoHarmNoFAL, did you go to the latest public hearing? I remember reading about it, either here or maybe FALFiles or AR15.com. I dont live in Columbus, but a good buddy of mine does. I wouldnt live there, or in Tuh-lee-DUH...well, any of the major cities. Columbusomalia and Tuh-lee-DUH are both about a little over an hour or so away, and thats still too close.
Last time Fingerbutt tried to push an AWB on the state level, it got shot down in flames, IIRC. Luckily we seem to have a few decent people in the .gov down there. My rep (Gilb) was against it. My senator (Wachtman) is a useless sack of pus, he doesnt even bother to respond to mail. Not even a form letter, sent by an aide and signed by a machine. No acknowledgement of your existence.
You see how there was a state legislator that was trying to get Vermont-style CCW about the same time as Fingerbutt was trying to push thru an AWB? Amazing part is, the good guy in this case was from Sinsinattababwe, surprisingly enough.
Justin
January 31, 2005, 11:45 PM
I've seen several statements from anti-gun groups that they have given up on passing new federal legislation and will instead focus on passing state laws.
jefnvk
February 1, 2005, 12:03 AM
Someone proposed one in MI. I was assured by my state senator that it wouldn't make it out of comittee. It went far enough to ban pump rifles :what:
NoHarmNoFAL
February 1, 2005, 08:35 AM
G1FAL , no I was not able to attend any of the meetings, my work schedule prevents me from attending many of the meetings. I did down load the scheduled meetings and there were no citizen comments allow in any of the meeting until the night of the vote. These people need to get a pretty strong wake up call. Sort of like "Hey your candidate lost, your party lost and you do not have a mandate here and we will not sit by and take it." Unfortunately precious few care here and even fewer know what is going on. :cuss:
RCL
February 1, 2005, 09:41 AM
The AWB never went away here in New York State. Our REPUBLICAN gov made it permanent before it could.
Estela216
February 1, 2005, 11:32 AM
As an appointed member of state conservation advisory group, I can say in speaking with various lobbyist groups that in Connecticut, there will likely not be any new legislation with rattling effects. That is the word on the street. There is basically a mutual agreement between the progun groups and the antigun groups. If the antigun groups come out in force, the progun groups will counter their effort with something "one up" and so on and so on. Right now, a major push here lies in new hunting/fishing regs.; not new firearms laws.
An FYI, here in Connecticut, the Fed. Anti-Crime bill of '94 has not changed much as of this Sept. except allowing us to own leo mags and full capacity. We are one of the states that has a state ban on the same firearms. That doesn't look like it will change.
alan
February 1, 2005, 11:59 AM
Funny thing, at least it strikes me as "funny", is as follows.
The Browning Hi-Power or Grand Puissant first hit the commercial market in 1935, perhaps 1936. In 9mm Luger persuasion, the largest number were so chambered, the pistol's FACTORY STANDARD MAGAZINE HELD 13 ROUNDS. During WW2, same pistol, made in Canada came with magazines holding 14 rounds. How many sun rises and sun sets has the world experienced since 1935, despite that most terrible of man's devices, the "Hi-Cap Magazine"?
Having gotten past that point, one needs to remember the following. That the often stated and unchanging goal of the anti's is the total proscription of firearms. If you remember that, all else fits quite nicely, into their "master plan". If you remember nothing else, remember that.
Logan5
February 1, 2005, 12:02 PM
Well, at least non residents benefit by having a place where they can sell off their bayonet lugless, flash hiderless, pinned in place folding stocked whatevers at something closer to full ban period retail price. :rolleyes:
R.H. Lee
February 1, 2005, 12:11 PM
What the gungrabbers fail to enact nationally, they attempt, and succeed on local and state levels. That's why it's important for you libertarian types to work at the 'grass roots' (God, I hate that phrase) level, especially if you intend to become a national political force.
DigitalWarrior
February 1, 2005, 03:13 PM
www.freestateproject.org.
Roland of Gilead
February 1, 2005, 04:22 PM
In Alabama (where I grew up and my parents live and my business is based)we don't have money for teachers, and if we did, we'd spend it in court fighting about a Ten Commandments rock anyway. The gun grabbers can't make much headway in a place like that.
In Tennessee, (where I live now, 3 miles or so from the state line)we are run by Bill Frist and his :cuss: american taliban. Being disarmed is the least of our worries.
Well, at least non residents benefit by having a place where they can sell off their bayonet lugless, flash hiderless, pinned in place folding stocked whatevers at something closer to full ban period retail price.
Yeah, it sucks also for those of us who came of age during that BS. I had to give $425 for a used "pre-ban" Mini back about 2000. Now, even with a flash hider and folding stock, the MFer only is worth about $375-$400. Oh well, karma is, and I did vote for Clinton (the 2nd time, I was still too little the first) :)
tulsamal
February 1, 2005, 05:23 PM
Is this just happening here or is it a nationwide push?
Well, Oklahoma and Texas _usually_ consider themselves "part of the nation" and it sure isn't happening down here! Politicians spouting those "New York City" types of ideas don't last long down here!
Gregg
brian roberts
February 1, 2005, 05:38 PM
i hope by "don't last long here..." you mean you keep th' chains oiled & th' pickem-up gassed(JUST kidding.....even if'n it ain't a bad idea) :eek: :cool:
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