Sig 239 or Glock 26? Cant decide.


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Weezer
March 6, 2003, 11:22 PM
I cant make up my mind. This will be my first carry gun. The glock 26 is so small and carries a lot of ammo, but I think I'd feel nervous carrying one in the chamber. (See other thread) The Sig P239 I'd carry one in the chamber(because of the long DA first pull), but is a considerably larger, and holds less ammo. There is my dilema. Would getting a NY trigger on the Glock make it a little more "forgiving" if my finger accidently bumped it in a defense situation? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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BAD_KARMA
March 6, 2003, 11:30 PM
Having shot both side by side I like the glock simply because it sits lower in the hand.

Ian11
March 6, 2003, 11:33 PM
I personally would not like a heavier trigger in a Glock pistol for the same reason I don't like DAO pistols in general. Just harder to shoot. If it came between the NY trigger and the DA/SA SIG I'd choose the SIG.

Get what you're comfortable with. They're both excellent guns. I feel the G26 (w/o finger grooves) is a much better gun for CCW but you might feel more comfortable with the first heavy DA trigger of the SIG.

But you can't go wrong with either.

dj53
March 6, 2003, 11:36 PM
I have a Glock 26 and and Glock 19. The triggers pulls are identical. You needn't worry about "bumping" the trigger. There is a little plastic "thingy" in the middle of the trigger that must be compressed in order for the trigger to be pressed to the rear. Plus, it takes some effort to pull that trigger, a lot more than on a tuned SA pistol.

My only complaint about the Glock 26 is that the magazines are so short that doing emergency reloads, it is easy to miss the mag well or get the fleshy part of your palm pinched. I prefer the G19 for the ease of mag changes. However, no question, the G26 sure does conceal better! When I have worn the G26 for a while, and I put on the G19, it feels like a cannon!:what:

longeyes
March 6, 2003, 11:36 PM
Weezer,

You might consider getting a Saf-T-Blok for the G26 if you want to put the AD problem to rest. I don't carry mine (SoCal) but that would be my solution if I were.

Lone_Gunman
March 7, 2003, 12:15 AM
If you carry your Glock in a satisfactory holster, there is nothing to worry about.

Try a kydex or plastic holster, they are great.

GunNut
March 7, 2003, 12:33 AM
Both my Glock 27 and 19 have 3.5# Connectors, and I am very comfortable carrying either or both. I carry with Sidearmor IWB, and have no fears of the trigger ever being touched.

But that's me.

If you are not going to carry with a round in the chamber, don't waste time buying/carrying that gun.....

Unless, you can overcome your fears of the Glock, then buy the Sig.

Steve

10-Ring
March 7, 2003, 01:27 AM
From personal experience of shooting both, I prefer the SIG 239.

Kahr carrier
March 7, 2003, 06:37 AM
They are both nice ,But I would pick what you are most comfortable with. I like the 239 in 40 or 357Sig.:)

Dave Williams
March 7, 2003, 08:34 AM
I'd get a two tone, and get some Hogue grips for it. I hate Hogue grips on any other gun but the 239. Carry it in an Alessi Talon, or a Comp-Tac Gurkha. Nice set up.

Dave

David Park
March 7, 2003, 03:35 PM
I love to shoot the Glock, but I bought SIG as my first-ever handgun. My reason, like others mentioned, was that the SIG didn't make me "nervous" for carry like the Glock did. Not only does the SIG have a longer, heavier trigger pull, but it has an exposed hammer that you can put your thumb on when holstering so you'll feel if the trigger catches on something. I doubt that the SIG is really "safer" but I'm more comfortable with it, and I think that's important with your first carry gun. (When I first got the 239, I carried it around the house for a few weeks unloaded, until I was reassured that it wouldn't fire all by itself. :) )

Ideally, if you have the cash, buy both. :D

cslinger
March 7, 2003, 04:52 PM
The SIG may be a tad bit bigger but it sure as heck is thinner which makes it easier to conceal IMO.

Both are great guns. I don't care for the Glock trigger and I am more comfortable with traditional double action / decocker guns.

Oh yeah and I am a bit of a SIG nut. SIG single stacks rock. Accurate, reliable, nice looking, easy to conceal, absolutely wonderful firearms.

Like I said the Glock is great too. I think the SIG is a better gun for a new shooter because it is more forgiving in it's manual of arms and you don't have to pull the trigger to disassemble. These are not a huge deal but can be for a new shooter.

Chris

Weezer
March 7, 2003, 05:19 PM
I think I'm going to look into the P239 a little more. I have a Glock 17 thats a ball to shoot, but for some reason I am a little nervous to carry it. Is the Sig fairly easy to conceal in the summer with shorts and a baggy T-shirt? ( I'm 6 foot, 190 pounds.) Should I carry IWB?

Thanks for all the advice.

cslinger
March 7, 2003, 05:58 PM
The SIG is extremely easy to conceal. It is so thin that a tee shirt is all you need to cover it up.

I love my 239.

Chris

Weezer
March 7, 2003, 08:12 PM
Do you wear it in a IWB holster? Could you give me a link to a decent one please? Also, what do you mean by "manual of arms"?

Is the Two-tone the way to go? I take it it's stainless steel, right? Thanks again!

Safety First
March 7, 2003, 10:06 PM
I purchased my first handgun nov 02.I too had narrowed it down to the glock or Sig P-239. I purchased the Sig and have no regrets. It is 1.20 inches wide and the weight in 9mm is only 25.2 ounces. The main thing I was considering other than reliability of course was how well it conceals. I purchased a Wild Bills "Undercover" IWB holster and belt as well as mag carrier..One thing you really want to do is be sure you have a very adequate belt and holster or you will regret it..I know Glocks are excellent guns but have you ever heard anyone say a Sig wasn't reliable? I am also very new at this but like I said I researched thoroughly before making my decision. Good Luck...

cslinger
March 8, 2003, 12:08 AM
I'm sorry. What I mean by manual of arms is just how you work a particular gun, shoot, decock, load, field strip etc.

The Glock doesn't allow much room for stupidity and we all get stupid from time to time. For example in order to field strip the Glock you must pull the trigger. Many a careless person has shot themselves because they didn't unload the gun properly. The same with the trigger. It is relatively light and many a person has shot the gun while reholstering because they don't keep their finger clear enough.

Now I am not saying that having the SIG excuses anyone from the responsibility of safe firearms handling but for a relatively new shooter it allows a little more margin for error. For example the trigger pull is heavier and more deliberate. The way the gun breaks down actually requires you to rack the slide and lock it back ensuring an empty firearm.

cslinger
March 8, 2003, 12:11 AM
I'm sorry. What I mean by manual of arms is just how you work a particular gun, shoot, decock, load, field strip etc.

The Glock doesn't allow much room for stupidity and we all get stupid from time to time. For example in order to field strip the Glock you must pull the trigger. Many a careless person has shot themselves because they didn't unload the gun properly. The same with the trigger. It is relatively light and many a person has shot the gun while reholstering because they don't keep their finger clear enough.

Now I am not saying that having the SIG excuses anyone from the responsibility of safe firearms handling but for a relatively new shooter it allows a little more margin for error. For example the trigger pull is heavier and more deliberate. The way the gun breaks down actually requires you to rack the slide and lock it back ensuring an empty firearm.

I am not saying you cannot handle a Glock and I am not trying to patronize anyone I am just giving my opinion on why I think SIGs are a bit better of a gun for a new shooter. Besides they have much more snob appeal.

Glocks are great guns that are very safe when you as the user respect them and know how they function.

Once again please do not think I am trying to belittle your skill. I just got the impression that you would be more comfortable with the SIG. I know I am.

The SIG dissapears IWB and is thin enough to not even know it is there.

So far I have used a Kramer IWB and a cheap Uncle Mikes to try it out and both seem to work well enough. Everybody raves about the Millt Sparks Versa Max and Watch Six though.

I like the two tone gun and it is a stronger finish. It is actually a nickle plating I believe. My 239 is a two tone and I love it. Nitron black would be just fine though. Just make sure you wipe it down after wearing it. I like CLP and have never seen an once of rust.

Hope this helps.

Chris

Newton
March 8, 2003, 01:24 AM
SiG P239 in 9mm. Load out with Ranger T in 127gr or 147 grain, failing that use Golden Sabre bonded in 124gr +P.

It may just be the finest CCW handgun there is.

Having tried 3 Glocks, I found that 2 of them jammed consistently on me and one of those was a Glock 26. The P239 is the MOST reliable handgun of ANY type I have ever fired with the possible exception of a Makarov.

Newton

Weezer
March 8, 2003, 02:35 AM
CSLINGER;

Very well put. Everything you said makes a lot of sense. It was the push in the right direction I was looking for.

:)

cslinger
March 9, 2003, 02:29 AM
Let me know how it turns out for you. You might want to head over to the sigforum.com and check out the classifieds there. You can usually find a 239 of some type or another.

Good luck on your purchase. You do know that you will have a Glock too at some point right? Better to be at peace with that thought early on.:D

Take care and shoot safe.

Here is a pick of my modest SIG family. My 239 is on the bottom.

Chris

http://www.hunting-pictures.com/members/cslinger/Sig%20Family%20January%202003%20smaller%20001.jpg

denfoote
March 9, 2003, 04:30 AM
My lovely wife keeps a G26 under the bed. It has the minus connector and reduced power trigger spring. I have no fear of an AD, because she knows to keep her pretty finger off the trigger!! :D If she can do it, so can you!! :rolleyes:
Now, go do the right thing and get that Glock!!! ;)

Phyphor
March 9, 2003, 04:36 AM
Yup, I own a Glock 19, it's been the most dependable pistol I've owned, right next to my Ruger P-85, (which is damned reliable of it's own right, )

Personally, I'd go with Glock...... Despite their :cuss: up (apparently) politics.....

Weezer
March 9, 2003, 11:07 AM
Thanks for all the info. I do own a Glock allready. A model 17. I absolutley love it. It was my first handgun. My wife bought it for me for Christmas a year ago. (Pretty cool wife, huh?) Since I also like Sigs a lot, I guess I'm going to have to find a range that rents both, and fire them side by side. To be honest with you, I should have titled this thread, which one do I buy first, because I'll probably have both of them before the years over. :D
Anyways, thanks for the input, I guess I cant go wrong with either one, they are both great guns.

Thanks!

Weezer
March 9, 2003, 11:10 AM
Cslinger, Thats a great collection you have there! I really like the two-tone. Does it hold up to holster wear better than the black ones in your opinion?

bpisler
March 9, 2003, 11:34 AM
I owned a 19 and a 26 for about a year and become a decent shot with both.The first time i rented a 239 at the range i shot it better than the glocks.So the glocks went and now i'am looking for a 239.

cslinger
March 9, 2003, 03:13 PM
The holster wear isn't necessarily better but different.

The nickle plating does scratch or something to that effect and is noticable close up. It does seem tougher than the nitron finish though. Even when worn or scratched it is still the same silver color. When nitron wears it gets more obvious because the black suddenly has light or silver wear spots.

To be honest it probably is probably about the same wear just a different look to each. I would think the nickle would be more rust proof, but I have never seen an ounce of rust on any of my guns stainless, nickle or blue. About every couple of months they get a CLP bath and I let them sit in it for 15 or 20 minutes. This really seems to work for me because I have yet to see any rust.

Ok so I did sort of wait a day to clean a Mauser after shooting corrosive ammo and I did get a tiny bit of rust on the end of the barrel that cleaned right of but that is it and I have said my Hail Marys, prayed to JMB and bought other guns to make up for my indescretions. :D

cslinger
March 9, 2003, 03:16 PM
One other thing. In my experience with Glocks their finish is about as tough as it gets but you will still get holster wear. The tenifer is a chemical process that for lack of a better word baked into the steel with the black just covering the real protection. So Glocks will get holster wear high spots also.

I do have to say that Glock Tennifer finish and the other firearms that use it seem to be about the most abuse resistent firearms I have ever seen short of an AK-47 and those will still look like crap if you abuse them enough.

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