Glock 38 and 39 45G.A.P.


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sig&wesson
February 3, 2005, 09:52 AM
i was just at books a million and got the yearly Glock annual like i do every year and i noticed on the front covor the new g38 and 39 has anyone on here saw the guns in person yet? are they at the gunshops? im not too big on new rounds until they start make a few different factory loads and i like to make sure somthing isnt just a flash in the pan but a g38 fully loaded sounds like a good ccw to me any one else? loaded with 9 rounds of 185 sthp or hydra shoks . sounds kinda like the commander version of a 1911 which i dearly loveand have carried many hours and miles im just worried that the G.A.P. round might end up a flash in the pan . what is ya'lls thaughts?

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Obiwan
February 3, 2005, 11:04 AM
There are pics from the shot show available online

While I have been slow to accept the .45Gap, the range of weapons now available speaks well for its continued success.

I am weakening now that there are 3 different sized Glocks..S, M, L available

S/A even came out with some 1911's

tony4311
February 3, 2005, 10:10 PM
Second row fartherst on the right. There's a few more after it.
http://www.custom-glock.com/shotshow05/Page1.html

Ash
February 3, 2005, 10:19 PM
Well, one must discount the number of Glock models chambered in GAP as that is their baby and to justify its existence. Other models offered by other manufactures should be the gauge of what is and is not successful.

Ash

Obiwan
February 3, 2005, 11:43 PM
Steady Ash.....your bias is showing ;)

As ammo becomes more available and platforms become more available...

Calibers become more popular...Glock didn't come out with the 38 and 39 because they were not selling 37's

And S/A has NO interest in propping up Glock sales

The best one I heard lately.......

" Well they (LE DEPT) just switched to .357 Sig so they probably won't jump on the .45 GAP"

Never mind that .357 SIG was the last "it will never last" caliber

Gordy Wesen
February 3, 2005, 11:58 PM
Can't decide.
Might be having a GAP attack.








:scrutiny:

10-Ring
February 4, 2005, 12:58 AM
I have a shooting buddy that has changed his tune now that the mid-size & compact GAP guns are soon to be available. Me, I still don't get it, but maybe if & when my buddy has one to actually shoot, he might win me over :scrutiny:

Bopleo
February 5, 2005, 01:32 PM
I remember last year when this caliber was announced and we were all promising to hate it so it would fail.

Now after looking at the specs and ballistic comparison to the .45 ACP, plus the advent of the glock model 38 i am changing my mind on the 45GAP.

Kilroy
February 5, 2005, 01:49 PM
Glock with three guns, Springfield with three (two XD and a micro 1911).

Five companies loading ammo for it...

Winchester with six loads
Cor-Bon with four
Speer
Federal
Remington with two loads (230 gr. FMJ and JHP).

denfoote
February 5, 2005, 02:11 PM
I kinda like the G39!!
Any specs out yet??

Edmond
February 5, 2005, 04:04 PM
When will they be available in shops? I would like to rent one before thinking about buying one.

denfoote
February 5, 2005, 11:27 PM
When will they be available in shops?

I would not even bother looking for at least six months!!
The Shot Show is where makers show off their prototypes!! The G36 went two years, I believe, between SS and production!!

fastbolt
February 5, 2005, 11:49 PM
I wasn't initially interested in the caliber, for the sake of the caliber ...

Then, I was given some advance pictures and info about the pending release of the G38 & G39 ...

I like the G26/27 size platform, even if the capacity is 'only' 6+1, although an 8+1 G19/23 size platform has some small amount of appeal ...

Then, a couple of the ammunition companies figured out a way to offer 230gr bullets in the shorter case. I prefer 230gr weight bullets more than 185gr & 200gr bullets when it comes to .45 loads.

Now, after the beta-testing has been done, in the hands of owners/users for a while, I can see myself getting a G39 ... because of the size of the platform and the availability of the 230gr bullet weight (which is apparently offering identical ballistics to 230gr bullets fired from .45 ACP cases at standard pressures).

The platform size and bullet weight would attract my interest ... not the 'specialty' of the caliber itself.

I mostly require reliable functioning & accuracy in the weapon platform which meets my size and caliber requirements, and in some instances the design & operation of the platform itself may make or break my decision to use it.

The G39, and perhaps the G38, is tentatively interesting ... and I was one of those folks who initially thought it was a waste of time in the full size platform.

Never say never ...

Preacherman
June 26, 2006, 02:31 PM
I agree that the G38/39 are interesting: but Taurus' PT145 (10+1) and PT745 (7+1) are the same size (virtually to the millimeter) and hold .45 ACP. I've had a PT145 for some time now, and am very satisfied with its reliability and accuracy. Worth considering for those looking for a baby .45 . . .

Vern Humphrey
June 26, 2006, 02:44 PM
Other models offered by other manufactures should be the gauge of what is and is not successful.

You're right -- if other gun manufacturers don't pick up a new cartridge, it usually dies.

Edmond
June 26, 2006, 03:01 PM
Have any of the other firearm makers decided to pick up the .45 GAP cartridge?

Personally, I won't consider the cartridge until H&K and Sig come out with a pistol for it.

lunde
July 2, 2006, 10:16 AM
Some snapshots of my G38 and G39...

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/g38-left-full.jpg

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/g38-right-flat.jpg

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/g39-left-full.jpg

http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/photos/g39-right-flat.jpg

More are here: http://www.praxagora.com/lunde/glocks.html

denfoote
July 3, 2006, 12:24 AM
Those really are some nice looking Glocks, Dr. Lunde.

How does the G39 shoot compared to, say, the G36???

XDKingslayer
July 3, 2006, 08:23 AM
I wouldn't worry about .45 GAP being a flash in the pan round. Tons of people talk it down either out of ignorance or because any .45 without ACP behind it is unacceptable to them.

The gun world is becoming so far behind the times technology wise and it's because of mindframes like this. The end user has become so stubborn that anything outside the box is totally unacceptable.

Ignore the myths about the .45 GAP round when it comes to power and availability and price. Do your own searching, educate yourself and you'll find that not only are they myths but this round has potential to be a reloaders dream. The thick case webbing will stand up to numerous reloads.

Each and every new round that has come out since the dawn of time has had it's naysayers. I'm sure everyone looked at the creator of the .45 ACP like he was an idiot.

I love my XD .45GAP. After the last trip to the range and watching it outshoot two Kimber Deserts it's a keeper.

SouthpawShootr
July 3, 2006, 09:26 AM
Have any of the other firearm makers decided to pick up the .45 GAP cartridge?

Para-Ordnance has committed to a small frame .45 GAP. Should be interesting. Springfield said they were going to produce a 1911 in GAP and never followed through beyond a few prototypes at the Shot Show.

Personally, I won't consider the cartridge until H&K and Sig come out with a pistol for it.

Don't hold your breath, I don't think it will happen. If they haven't announced anything by now, nothing is in the works. Maybe if GAP takes off, but I don't see H&K and Sig getting involved.

Edmond
July 3, 2006, 11:28 AM
How long did it take for the .40 S&W and the .357 SIG to gain popularity? The GAP should definitely be given a chance to see if it can grow like those cartridges have grown. Look at those two cartridges, they are amongst some of the favorites in the LE community and personal defense sector today.

I'm already on the .40 S&W cartridge and I think the .357 SIG is next for me.:D

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