[Jim PHL]

I just handled nice older M36 and M60 for the first time today. I used to own a newer (mid-90's) model 640 .357 and until today, thought this J was pretty much the same size and weight as the older ones. I got rid of the 640 a while ago so maybe I don't recall correctly but it seemed that the older original j-frames made for .38 Spl are much smaller and lighter than the current ones designed to handle the magnums. (I know, "duh" on the cylinder length but it just felt smaller and lighter overall.) Am I nuts? I have been considering a 642/637 because I considered the 640 too big/heavy for pocket carry but these two seemed small and light enough to fit the bill for me. If I am correct about the size difference between the older and newer J's here's another question: Is a newer J-frame 637/642 the same size as a newer (magnum) jframe or the same size as the older 36/60 j frame?

[SnubbyMan]

The .357 mag version of the 640 is a little larger than the 442/642. The 442/642 is more similar in size to the older 36s. On S&W's site, the 442/642 has a "Small" frame designation, while the .357 640 has a "J-Small" designation.

The 640 weighs 23 ounces, while the 36LS weighs 20 ounces.

[WT]

In one of the late S&W catalogs, they referred to them as 'J frames' and 'J-magnum frames.'

The J-magnums have longer frames and longer barrels.

[Mike Kerr]

There are many physical differences, albeit small, in many of the models, series etc.

Regards,


:) :) :)

[Sistema1927]

My 642 is a tad wider and "beefier" than my 1980 vintage 37. Even so, the 642 conceals better than the 37, since the 37 is a square butt.

[Standing Wolf]

In one of the late S&W catalogs, they referred to them as 'J frames' and 'J-magnum frames.'

That was just to be consistent with the K magnum frame.

[Jim PHL]

Sistema, I had the same impression when I checked out a 37 a few days ago. (Same impression meaning the 37 was smaller than a "current" j frame.) At some point did they start making the 37 with a round butt. I don't recall exactly but my impression was it was round.

[SnWnMe]

You observed correctly.

The J Magnum frame, introduced in the mid 90s, is the standard small frame size. It is slightly bigger than the old J frames (for obvious reasons)

All the current J frames regardless of caliber are built on the J Magnum frame.

[Sistema1927]

Jim, I believe that S&W made both Square butt and Round butt model 37's concurrently.

[Erich]

(Ahh, there's something about a square-butt J-frame.)

[Jim PHL]

SnWnMe, You state all the current J's are now "J Magnum". I assume that includes the current crop of airweights, even if they are not .357's?

[SnWnMe]

Yup. All of em regardless of construction or "body" style.

[mjb]

I have a S&W model 49 and have recently put a Colt Cobra on layaway. :D I like them both.

[Jim PHL]

Is there a way to tell, (a model # "-" dash something) that I am looking at an older "j-small"? I guess it would be easy with the steel versions because an older M60, 640, etc would be a .38, not a .357. If I'm not mistaken, though, S+W has made the 642/637 since before all J's were J-magnums and they've always been .38's. Unless you're holding both, I wonder how obvious the difference is? (especially in the airwieght)

[Erich]

The differences are not super-obvious. If you're not a S&W geek, you probably wouldn't even notice. (I'm a S&W geek. :) )

[SnWnMe]

The SCOSW will tell you what dash numbers were built on the J Magnum frame.

J frames are everywhere. It shouldn't be hard for you to find a 60s, 70s or 80s gun. Look for the flat latch models, or pinned models or models with the old style thumbpiece and you should be ok.

[Sistema1927]

Hey Erich,

How is that 36 that you bought in Santa Fe?

[BluesBear]

Yes S&W model 37s (as well as 36s) were made in both round and square butt versions at the same time.


The easiest way to spot the difference between a J-frame and the J-Magnum-Frame is the Magnumframe has the elongated cylinder stop while the J-frame has the older round one.

I have made a poster that illustrates various S&W identifying features. You can see it HERE (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=1452318&highlight=poster#post1452318).

[dinosaur]

The little guns have a certain charm. :) Watchng the old movies or detective shows our heroes usually carried a J frame Smith or the Colt D. :cool:

[CB900F]

Fella's;

And then there were the S&W I frame guns. The Terriers & such.

900F

[Ala Dan]

My latest acquistion is a '93 model S&W 37, round butt built on the
standard J-frame. Weighing only 15 ozs, this gun competes favorably
with the alloy S&W 637 with one exception; its blue instead of the
more popular stainless. I wore this 'lil gem at work all day last Sat,
and I couldn't even tell I had it on. :uhoh: :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[Erich]

Sistema, thanks for asking. It is a lovely little square butt 36 with perhaps the nicest trigger pull I've ever felt on a J-frame. Not the most accurate J-frame I've shot, however. I've only tried one type of ammo (WWB 130-grainers), but it would only group 1.75" at 10 yards - really a one-inch group with one consistent flyer. I'll have to try it with some nice wadcutter reloads, but I don't think it's going to be setting any records.

On the other hand, a touch-up blue job has brought it back to looking really lovely. The square butt points really well for me and feels wonderful. I had to have some adjustments made on the sights of the Glock I usually carry the other day, so I carried this 36 and a 36-1 3" instead . . . oddly, carrying the old steel wheelies was more psychically comforting than the ultramodern plastic wundernine. :)

And my wife thinks the 36 is pretty. :D

[Jim PHL]

ALA DAN,
Do you shoot +P's in your M37? If so, do you know in what date range it became OK to do so?

[unspellable]

This question comes up with the K frames too. I've always heard it said that the K frame for the 357 Mag was a little beefier in the area around the barrel threads and where the upright of the yoke rests as compared to a K frame for the 38 Special. I've never been able to detect a difference though.

[Sistema1927]

Erich,

Have you been able to determine if the "one consistent flyer" is coming from the same cylinder hole?

If so, then I wonder if somebody slipped while boring it.

(BTW, do you know who is offering a reasonably priced NM CCW class? My Dad asked me today about it, both he and my brother want to get permits. Zia doesn't have anything scheduled anytime soon (where I did mine as a member), and I have heard that Calibers wants $300!!)

[Tacoma]

As noted the Jmagnum frame was phased in during 1996-1997 and is now the standard J frame. It was done to introduce the 357 flavor mod 60 and +P capable 38's. Grip size are still the same. Weight and size is about 10% higher. I have old and new J frames in both sizes. The older ones obviously conceal easier and weigh less. The extra beef of the new J magnums tend to make them shoot better IMHO.

[Ala Dan]

Att: Jim

My S&W model 37 is +P rated, and I do carry them for self D' work.
However, I would shoot only non +P ammo for training purposes; as
there is NO need to shake this little gem loose! :uhoh: Not singing my own
prasies, but I'm very confident in my ability to hit any target, so I"m
not going to shoot it much at all.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[Jim PHL]

ALA-
The one I'm looking at is a 37-2. +P OK?

[Jim PHL]

Sounds like the "J" and "J-Magnum" is similar to the "K" and "L" medium frame differences.

[BluesBear]

No the L-frame has a noticably larger cylinder window than a K frame.
The S&W L-frame is almost the exact same size as the Colt I frame (Trooper/Python) which Colt referred to as their .41 frame. (as in .41 Long Colt NOT .41 Magnum)

The S&W K-frame is closer to Colt's D-frame (Police Positive Special/Diamondback) which Colt reffered to as their .38 frame.

[Ala Dan]

Att: Jim

Yes, the S&W 37-2 is +P rated, however I would stay away from as
many of these rounds as I possibly could. I would say, just enough
to familiarize yourself with the gun and ammo combination is O.K.;
but don't give it a steady diet of +P's. :uhoh: :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[Jim PHL]

Do different ammo weights 'inflict' more punishment than others? (On the gun, not the shooter, I mean.) It makes sense to me to practice with a standard pressure 158 gr. load if I plan to carry (and shoot occasionally) the 158 grain +P. It seems the most common practice loads (RNL and FMJ's) are 125 and 130 grain. Are the lighter bullet weights less punishing? Or is the wear and tear created by the pressure, making all standard pressure loads equally damaging?

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