Anyone carry in no-gun zones, despite the law?


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Pylon
February 3, 2005, 07:45 PM
What i mean is does anyone ever carry in resturants/bars type things? Or places where there is a sign clearly posted that no weapons allowed?

I frequently find myself carrying into these places anyway because i don't feel its worth my trouble to remove my protection at the expense of owner (or goverment) stupidity.

Now i do remove my weapon at certain places whereit would just be way too much of a hassle if i got caught. Like school. I never carry when going to school. Same with the post office, altough i don't remember the last time i went to the post office.

But local stores like the furniture store near me American Signiture has a no-gun policy on the door. Ya well i went in there the other day, spent about an hour with the sales lady. Everything was very polite, i didn't go crazy and shootup everyone in the store, and then i left. Nobody was the wiser that i was carrying.

So, anyone else do something simliar? Or am i just a rebal?

Edit for clarity: I never drink. Ever.

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Kamicosmos
February 3, 2005, 07:58 PM
You say you find yourself frequently carrying in places like restuarunts and bars, and you mention you don't carry in school. To risk sounding like an old man:

PLEASE tell me you're not carrying a weapon into a bar?! And, I would hope it goes unsaid that even if you are that you are not drinking?

Edited to add: For what it's worth, I simply don't go in 'gun-free' zones. They don't want my business, so I don't give it to them.

Pylon
February 3, 2005, 08:01 PM
No i never drink, but yes i do carry into bars.
Its no different then carrying anywhere else. I buy my regular unhealthy bar food, a Dr. Pepper, chillout with friends.

If something happens in there because someone wants to be stupid with me, i'll be the first to leave the bar, unless otherwise restricted. If its going to be between my life and some loser who decides he wants unprovoked confrontation with me, i'm going to make sure i leave that place the same way i came in....dispite what the law says.

carebear
February 3, 2005, 08:01 PM
Kinda off topic but...

Gun in a bar isn't illegal in some places. And if you are not drinking, the location is kind of irrelevent.

Since I don't go to bars (too smoky) unless I plan to drink, the above is academic for me.

spacemanspiff
February 3, 2005, 08:07 PM
now why would anyone admit to breaking policy or law?
:scrutiny:

Pylon
February 3, 2005, 08:09 PM
"now why would anyone admit to breaking policy or law?"

Its just discussion, nothing more. And i would really hope no lawyer would take hearsay they read on internet forums totally serious.

Frandy
February 3, 2005, 08:12 PM
Well, where I live going into a place that serves alcohol or a place that posts a no-guns sign with a concealed weapon is against the law. Period. I may not like it, but i don't intend to go to jail for it.

lee n. field
February 3, 2005, 08:17 PM
And i would really hope no lawyer would take hearsay they read on internet forums totally serious.

What you say on the Internet definatly has the potential to come back and bite you.

Standing Wolf
February 3, 2005, 08:25 PM
Or am i just a rebal?

You seem to have rebelled against ordinary spelling.

Deavis
February 3, 2005, 08:30 PM
To risk sounding like an old man

Nah, you don't sound like an old man, just an unrealistic alarmist. I'll never get over how insane people get when discussing alcohol and guns, it reminds me of trying to talk to a liberal. It doesn't matter what you say, they just close up and go into crazy defense mode.

"If a drop of alcohol touches your lips you will be completely unable to function and kill everyone around you, don't do it!"

The simple truth of the matter is that carrying a gun in a bar is no different than carrying a gun anywhere else. I would argue, depending on the type of bars you frequent, you might actually be, statistically, in more need of a lawfully carried gun in a bar than at a furniture store.

I've worked at a shady bar and I understand why lawmakers put those clauses in. They are falling for the same stupid stereotypes that most people on here fall for. However, I would bet that most people on here, plus many of those who get CHLs in the first place, aren't the same idiots who "pull they piece cause somebody be lookin at my baby momma wrong." <-- stereotype!! Regardless of the law, those people are going to be packing and I like to even the odds. If someone can't control their drinking, they will most likely lose the right to carry via a DUI anyhow.

Drinking while carrying a gun is just like drinking and driving. Both driving and shooting are skills that suffer when you drink. Only you know your limit and if you can't judge your drinking limit when carrying a gun then, in my opinion, you shouldn't ever be carrying a gun. Determining whether you can imbibe a beer and stay in control of a situation is no different than determining if you can control a situation by drawing your weapon. Both involve an honest assessment of your situation, capabilities, and expectations. If you have assessed your capability aren't comfortable having a drink, then don't do it. Just quit the tired old nagging and stop acting like someone enjoying a well-planned, controlled amount of alcohol is going to instantly become incapable of functioning with their weapon.

No, I don't carry in bars when it is properly posted according to the law, which is not very often, and I never carry when I exceed my "carrying limit". If I even think about it, it goes back into the lock-up box for the remainder of the evening.

psyopspec
February 3, 2005, 08:36 PM
Depends on what you mean by no-gun zone. If you mean a place that has a non-legally binding sign up, then yes I do carry. If you mean a place where it would be illegal, then the answer is no, nor would I admit it if I did.

thorn726
February 3, 2005, 08:37 PM
The simple truth of the matter is that carrying a gun in a bar is no different than carrying a gun anywhere else. I would argue, depending on the type of bars you frequent, you might actually be, statistically, in more need of a lawfully carried gun in a bar than at a furniture store.

i'd call this true as long as , like poster said, he doesnt drink.

if you think you can shoot as well, make as good judgement after drinking, you need to rethink that.

maybe one drink doenst make you drunk, but haven't any of you ever heard the
"I am NOT drunk!" coming from someone obviously wasted??

get mad about it all you want. if you have been drinking , you shouldnt be driving , and you shouldn't be shooting.

as far as carrying in places you are not allowed, ehhh, i say if you feel confident of your skills, and feel you need it, do it.
everyone complains till you save someones life or take out a BG.

from the way of your post, you sound pretty responsible, i like the idea of people being armed around me in case of real trouble.

saltydog
February 3, 2005, 09:11 PM
I'm taking the 5th.... :)

Lobotomy Boy
February 3, 2005, 09:14 PM
In Minnesota if you carry in a place with "No Firearms Allowed" signs all that happens if you are made is that you would be asked to leave. I doubt that Big Brother would be scanning Internet sites trying to nail people for a crime in which the penalty is that they would have to not be in a place they already aren't in. Would they take you back to the scene, gun and all, then ask you to leave the scene? Seems a bit wasteful even for government work.

I could see disobeying "No Firearms" signs in certain circumstances, say going to a downtown theater and having to walk the crackhead gauntlet on your way back to your vehicle after the show.

Pylon
February 3, 2005, 09:16 PM
Salty dog said "I'm taking the 5th.... " - good answere. lol

geekWithA.45
February 3, 2005, 09:18 PM
Taking the 5th on invoking the 2nd...and nobody gets to see what's in my pants for free. :neener:

deej
February 3, 2005, 09:21 PM
Designated driver = designated shooter. What's the problem?

Hawkmoon
February 3, 2005, 09:24 PM
Its just discussion, nothing more. And i would really hope no lawyer would take hearsay they read on internet forums totally serious.
"Hearsay" means third hand, as in "John told me that Fred said _____."

"Yes, I carry where it's illegal" is NOT hearsay.

Why would an interested lawyer (or LEO) not take it seriously? Did you not expect to receive serious answers when you asked the question?

crt360
February 3, 2005, 09:53 PM
I don't carry in bars when it is properly posted according to the law, which is not very often

Licensed carry in a bar (51%) in Texas is a third degree felony, whether the bar posts a sign or not.

ยง 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the
license holder's person:
(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or
license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic
Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its
income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for
on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic
Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;

. . .

(g) An offense under Subsection (a), (b), (c), (d), or (e)
is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the offense is committed under
Subsection (b)(1) or (b)(3), in which event the offense is a felony
of the third degree.

Mark in California
February 3, 2005, 10:34 PM
My major beef is not going un-armed, at times, but having to leave my weapon unsecured in my car so I can go into building. I hate leaving my weapon off my body anywhere but in my safe.

If I know I going somewhere that does not allow weapons, I leave it at home.

I wish all "firearm free" buildings had to put in gun lockups like they do for police officers going into a jail or other areas they can not carry in.

Preacherman
February 3, 2005, 10:47 PM
At the request of the thread starter, this thread is being closed.

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