Need .40 Titegroup load


February 4, 2005, 09:35 AM
I have 180 gr. Berry's plated RS bullets ready to load in my .40 S&W. I need a target load for Titegroup. Hodgdon doesn't list a load for these bullets.

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Black Snowman
February 4, 2005, 12:11 PM
Here's what I do when I can't find specific load data for a type of bullet or combination of bullet and powder.

Find all the relavent load data you can (180 gr bullets with Tite-Group), also check the data on Rainier Ballistic's site for their plated bullets. Look at all of them. Find the one with the lowest starting charge and start with that. See where it chronos. That should give you some vague idea of where you are in pressure. Find the data that most closely supports your chrono results and use it as a guide for maximum charge.

If you don't have a chrono, just start and end with the starting charge. It's probably going to be target ammo anyway and unless there's functional issues not much reason to bump up the power level.

February 5, 2005, 12:37 PM
You can also start out with the lead data and work your way up. Plated bullets shoot more like lead (they are really soft) than they do like jacketed bullets. I chronoed a few plated before I moved away from them (MGB in bulk are so cheap) and they lined up fairly well with the lead data I used.

February 5, 2005, 08:30 PM
Thanks for the replies. I emailed Hodgdon & was told that they don't recommend using lead orplated bullets in .40. That explains why there are no loads listed for Titegroup using plated bullets.

C. H. Luke
February 7, 2005, 02:00 PM

Hodgdon's is just mouthing the "high pressure .40" warning to you. Have gotten the lecture over the phone from them also.

Been using Titegroup & either WC or Berry's in .40, 9mm, .45 & 10mm since the stuff hit the market.

Don't know about their being "target" loads, if you mean accurate or light loads? The following are very accurate out of an STI Trojan & a Glock 20 with .40 KKM bbl.

Chrono'd at ca. 40 degrees so vel. would be higer at 70, etc.

Loads are to make IDPA Power Factor. Have gone as high as 4.2-4.3 with no problems or loss of accuracy.

4.0 TG, 180 Berry's RNFP @ 1.15" OAL, Avg. 915 fps in 5" STI.

4.0 TG, 180 Berry's RNFP @ 1.15" OAL, Avg. 877 fps in G20.

If you mean a "light" load you can go very light with TG due to it's exc. "position insensitivity". Many of the local IPSC/IDPA guys use TG in 9 & .40. It is accuraate and has very low velocity variation even with mild loads.

Haave run in excess of 10K of TG & Berry's 124 RN thru a Glock at ca. 1,100 fps with exc. accuracy.

TG article from The Blue Press:

February 8, 2005, 09:29 AM
Thanks C. H.,
I went to the range yesterday with 10 rds each of 3.6, 3.8 and 4.0 of TG at 1.127. All worked well, but I really liked the 4.0. Very clean and accurate.

July 12, 2007, 07:43 PM
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Darth Muffin
July 13, 2007, 06:51 PM
I use 4.4gr with Rainier 180g bullets, which are also plated. It makes about 960FPS in my 5 1/4" HK, about 174PF. I wouldn't go much more than 4.7gr. For a practice load, 4.0-4.1gr is really nice.

December 20, 2010, 10:08 PM
Originally Posted By C. H. Luke:
Chrono'd at ca. 40 degrees so vel. would be higer at 70, etc.

Cool Hand Luke, how temperature sensitive is TiteGroup?

December 20, 2010, 10:16 PM
I have shot plenty of plated bullets in .40, including 180, but haven't used Titegroup with them. Pick out something in the 75% range of jacketed 180 Gr Titegroup data. Go slowly from there.

December 20, 2010, 10:19 PM
TG due to it's exc. "position insensitivity".
In big cases with plenty of room for the powder to get away from the primer, Titegroup is average as far as that goes, and yes, I have tested it, along with numerous other pistol powders. Good news is in the little .40 case it won't be a big deal.

evan price
December 21, 2010, 06:06 AM
Y'all know this is almost a 6-year-old thread, right?
Last bumped- before hrt4me- 3.5 years ago?

hrt4me, in pistols, it doesn't seem to mind temperature. But it's a very hot powder.

December 21, 2010, 07:18 AM
Dang, missed that.......

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