Issue with Playing with Airsoft Guns


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AZ Jeff
February 5, 2005, 01:06 PM
My 14 yr. old son and his neighborhood buddies have taken to playing with airsoft guns in the park behind my house. They have certain rules they follow, like not engaging innocent persons not involve in the activity, and always wearing eye protection, etc.

One of the busybody mothers in the community was aghast that this activity is going on. (She has previously indicated to me that she does not like firearms, toy or real, and prohibits her 14 yr old son to play with them.) Even though this person does not even live near the park, she has circulated the following email amongst some of the other parents, presumably hoping to garner support for some group action, I suspect.

Your comments and thoughts are appreciated. (I would love to fire her back a response to this email, but I did not receive it directly, and was given a copy by a sympathetic parent.)

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It has come to my attention that a group of teenage boys are shooting air guns (BB guns) in the park (the main park).

I have contacted one of the parents of these boys and apparently they have NO PROBLEM with their son shooting a gun in a park with our kids running around! Not to mention there are TONS of small BB pellets in the grass everywhere.

I contacted the Town Police and they said BB guns are considered firearms and it is obviously illegal to shoot any type of firearm in a public area! If you see these teens using BB guns CALL THE POLICE. They will come out and take care of the problem.

Protect our kids!!!


FOLLOW UP INFORMATION--My local PD says that airsoft guns are NOT firearms by city definition, so it's NOT illegal to discharge them, as long as it's not done in a malicious or vandalistic way. So....I guess her plan to call the police on the airsoft shooters will not necessarily result in any action, provided the boys are not shooting anyone or anything other than their opponents in the game.

MORE UPDATES--All the airsoft guns in use are either clear plastic, or painted a bright neon color, so as to not appear to be "the real deal". I also experimented with the range of these toys--they cannot be called real guns, based on the ballistic performance I noted. When fired from shoulder height, the plastic ball strikes the ground, on a windless day, about 60 feet from the shooter.

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El Tejon
February 5, 2005, 01:12 PM
How long have young boys been play shooting/fighting each other in recorded history? Several thousands years now? :rolleyes:

Well, are the boys doing anything against a city/town ordinance? Seems to me that one should ensure they are on solid legal ground before any response is made. However, I'm biased by the gig. :D

Kevlarman
February 5, 2005, 01:25 PM
Depending on your city laws, airsoft guns may not be regulated as BB guns, since the former does not shoot a metal projectile. As for the pellets in the grass problem, you can try to get the kids to switch over to biodegradables, which will disappear in a few weeks.

Justin
February 5, 2005, 01:37 PM
I would suggest an email educating her that airsoft and BB guns are not the same thing. Call up the local PD and ask if airsoft are regulated as firearms. Most likely they aren't. Be sure to include that in the email, too.

It'll probably just bounce off of her, busybodies don't usually let the facts confuse the issue.

Brick
February 5, 2005, 03:05 PM
Hello everyone.™

As for the pellets in the grass problem, you can try to get the kids to switch over to biodegradables, which will disappear in a few weeks.

Where did you get that info? If that happens to be verdad, I want to know so I can use them also.

See here (http://www.airsoftcore.com/postt16455.html) and here (http://www.airsoftcore.com/postt9019.html) for some interesting counter-info.

playing with airsoft guns in the park

Never play airsoft guns in a park. Ever. Technically, Airsoft guns are NOT BB guns.

Protect our kids!!!
:D

geekWithA.45
February 5, 2005, 05:05 PM
My advice is quietly gather the reactions of the folks she's sent the message to, and if it has any traction, to proactively get ahead of the woman with sound research and a distribution list.

One unnopposed biddy can stir up a hornet's nest of trouble.

Standing Wolf
February 5, 2005, 05:05 PM
Guns aren't toys. Kids should be shooting real guns under close parental supervision at ranges.

OF
February 5, 2005, 05:21 PM
If the game is leaving tons of plastic pellets around, I think the kids should move onto private property and/or be made to clean the place up. Also, if the game is keeping the neighboorhood from using the park and it's turning into nothing but an airsoft field, that's pretty inconsiderate.

As for the sheeple...they do bleat, don't they.

- Gabe

WvaBill
February 5, 2005, 11:08 PM
One unnopposed biddy can stir up a hornet's nest of trouble.

Just ask Madeline O'Hare.

standingbear
February 6, 2005, 09:30 AM
I had a neighbor that did the same thing back before airsoft was even invented .. mid 70s. These were toy revolvers that looked similiar to an old west sixgun cept the cylinders had a spring in each and launched a half inch crayon nicely out to maybe 10 feet,flipping the front site blocked the barrel. the thing was plastic and potmetal- loaded through a loading gate just like an original. We were playing in our own backyard and she called the police every single time, whom then got parents involved whom then told her to mind her own business. I suspect she was one of the original soccermoms...I wish I still had that thing.


Ive taken my son in our backyard and set up paper cups and shot my airsoft beretta copy numerous times.the neighbor saw us and now has my other one as his own.see him out there all the time with it.

geekWithA.45
February 6, 2005, 09:33 AM
These were toy revolvers that looked similiar to an old west sixgun cept the cylinders had a spring in each and launched a half inch crayon nicely out to maybe 10 feet


I had something like that!

If you held the trigger half back, you could spin the cylinder and turn it into a machine gun, splatting out 12 crayons/second!

45Badger
February 6, 2005, 10:54 AM
Guns aren't toys. Kids should be shooting real guns under close parental supervision at ranges.

I agree. My boys (9&6) have BB guns and the oldest has a .22 rifle and a Ruger Bearcat. ALL are used only under adult supervision, shooting at paper, reactive, and soda can targets.

Lack of proper supervision, combined with general "boyhood fun" when I was a kid resulted in me and friends accidently breaking a few windows, and raising a few welts (yes, we had BB gun wars). At 13, I hit a friend about an inch above his eye. That was a wake up for both of us, the BB gun wars ended. We paid for the damage, got grounded, etc, but really should not have been acting so stupidly, and were lucky no one was seriously hurt.

My older son shot an airsoft gun at a gunshow, and immediately wanted one. No way that's gonna happen. I do not want them ever thinking of any gun as a toy. That part of my "childhood fun" had extremely low value (when looked at from the ripe old age of 43) in my life, with very large, life altering possible outcomes.

Like they said in A Christmas Story, "You're gonna shoot your eye out" (or something to that effect). I don't care how "mature" a 14 year old is (or anybody thinks they are), too many hormones combined with too little sense of mortality and consequences is a bad mix.

Happy Sunday! :)

WEPS
February 6, 2005, 11:04 AM
Boys will be boys. Let them have there fun, just make sure they have protection. Over protective parents need to learn how to let their kids learn from their own mistakes.
I had a few BB guns growing up. I remember shooting a peace of rubber and the BB bouncing of and hitting me in the neck "ouch!!" after that i was more carefull at what i shot at. Some lessons you just have to learn on your own.

SUE ROVR
February 6, 2005, 12:50 PM
"I contacted the Town Police and they said BB guns are considered firearms and it is obviously illegal to shoot any type of firearm in a public area! If you see these teens using BB guns CALL THE POLICE. They will come out and take care of the problem."

Slander.

Sue.

landon74
February 6, 2005, 01:07 PM
Sounds to me like a midnight TP raid is in order....... :D

TexasRifleman
February 6, 2005, 01:12 PM
I would just ignore her and let her work herself into such a frenzy that she quits caring and moves on to something else.

If you fight her on this, she might not have anything better to do with her time than prolong the fight.

They are your kids, do what you think is right and ignore her. You've made sure you are on solid legal grounds, so you're done with her.

carpettbaggerr
February 6, 2005, 01:16 PM
Guns aren't toys. Guns aren't toys. Toy guns are toys. :)
Kids should be shooting real guns under close parental supervision at ranges. Ideally, yes. But they should be playing by themselves, too. Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, Soldier.

Hardly see kids playing outside at all anymore. Too many fat kids with overdeveloped thumbs. :uhoh:

TallPine
February 6, 2005, 01:34 PM
There's always a :cuss: busybody everywhere .... :rolleyes:

Geez! I would hate to be a kid these days :banghead:

IMO, kids (especially boys) need to play out like this to develop into healthy adults (men). We're going to have more and more "adults" suddenly "go postal" because they were NOT allowed to play like boys have always done.

PaulBk
February 6, 2005, 01:46 PM
I also come from the generation when kids played outside, sometimes with toy guns. We also played with wood burning kits, chemistry kits that actually had reactions, model rocket kits, and fireworks. Was this a good idea? Probably not, but most of us survived with all appendages intact ;)

My son and I played with airsoft guns indoors and on our property until he moved out a couple of years ago. Wearing safety glasses, it was great fun.

In today's world I would be less inclined to play shooting games outdoors, especially in urban public parks. Hopefully, the airsofts your son is using look clearly like harmless toys. Some do, some don't. Both of the pistols below are airsoft.

-PB

GlenJ
February 6, 2005, 01:51 PM
Hard to make a comment when you only hear one side of the story and I'm sure there are two sides of it. Every kid is an angel in there parents eyes. That being said how much are you back there watching what there doing?? The latch key kids that live all around me raise hell until there parents get home. Then they all same the same thing "NOT MY KID" It even went as far as when I told one parent his kid cut through my yard his answer was "you should put up a fence." As far as kids not playing outside enough I put that blame solely on the parents.

WvaBill
February 6, 2005, 06:53 PM
most of us survived with all appendages intact

Paul,

From the smiley, it looks as if you have harmed that eye though.

PaulBk
February 6, 2005, 07:26 PM
The eye was actually a popcorn accident a few years later. Always wear eye protection when popping corn!

-PB

Gifted
February 6, 2005, 07:49 PM
An airsoft pellet can be just as damaging as a paintball. They shouldn't be playing in the park with others around. I don't care how careful they are. Paintball takes place on fields with netting to prevent stray balls from going very far, and people to supervise the game. Even the people who do free games in the woods make sure they go somewhere where the chances of someone being around to catch a ball are minimal. Everyone should have the safety gear around the "battle". Beyond that, well, I had fun running around with toy guns.

Dionysusigma
February 6, 2005, 07:52 PM
I didn't grow up with guns, or even toy guns. Mom doesn't like her boys playin' with them, although she has a couple of highpower competition medals she won't talk about... :scrutiny: And Dad, well... he's a good shot, but he won't tell me how he got that way. :uhoh:

However, I went out one day (think I was 8 or 9), and cut down a small tree with an old dull axe. I used some leftover bailing wire to turn the sapling into a perfectly functioning longbow. Bought some cheap arrows from Wal-Mart, and both parents were fine with me shooting hay bales all day. :confused: At one point, I got good enough I could hit a section of ground 2'x2' from about 85 yards away in any kind of wind under 35mph. Knives were allowed under the strictest supervision until I was 13.

But guns? Never. Too dangerous. Even if they only shot rubber bands, it was the mere association that was feared. :rolleyes:

I still want a full-auto Airsoft Mac 10/11-9, though. :)

VARifleman
February 6, 2005, 08:33 PM
I remember a while ago when there was talk in England about banning "boistrous play" as they called it (playing with toy guns), there was a developmental psychologist that stood up against the ban citing her study that it would be detrimental to the boy's development. I played with cap guns when I was younger and I never had a problem distinguishing between real and fake. That woman would probably rather her boy stay inside and become fat like the a lot of Americans out there. So sad that they want to limit a good chance for the boys to excercise.

USP45usp
February 6, 2005, 10:20 PM
It has come to my attention (because I am a nosy bitch with no life) that a group of teenage boys are shooting air guns (BB guns) in the park (the main park).

I have contacted one of the parents of these boys and apparently they have NO PROBLEM with their son shooting a gun in a park with our kids running around! (because it's a game, and no, air soft are not BB's) Not to mention there are TONS of small BB pellets in the grass everywhere. (unlike my ciggarrette butts that will last 1000000 years yet the PLASTIC bb's will break down within months).

I contacted the Town Police and they said BB guns ( NOT AIRSOFT GUNS) are considered firearms and it is obviously illegal to shoot any type of firearm in a public area! (Now, if you all will come with me and make plastic pellets into BB guns and then make them illegal) If you see these teens using BB guns CALL THE POLICE. (because I'm afraid of my own shadow, so please, haresse these kids and make them criminals in life) They will come out and take care of the problem. (As in, take the busybody to jail for calling in a false report)

Protect our kids!!! (yeah, and make them criminals for having fun at an early age and ensure that they have no future, thanks, busybody *female dog*.)

Wayne

CAS700850
February 7, 2005, 10:21 AM
Here's my only concern with this situation:

"911. What is your emergency?"

Busybody: "Oh my God, I just saw a couple of boys in the park with guns! send the poliec. Fast!"

Police arrive on gun call, thoughts of Columbine in their minds. See a boy with an AK in his hands. Don't need much imagination to see where this could go, with a nervous cop and a kid with a realistic looking gun in his hands.

I'd suugest talking to the police about setting up some way of allowing the kids to play, while keeping them safe from such an incident, like a way of letting the police know the kids are playing, set times for games, etc.

nomadboi
February 7, 2005, 01:15 PM
As long as the police are told there are kids playing with toy guns and not real guns, the kids are probably safer that way. My main problem with airsoft is people mistaking them for real guns and shooting kids...

Andrew Rothman
February 7, 2005, 01:48 PM
Well, my city prohibits the firing of any projectile in public -- and it's a damn good idea.

Some airsoft guns can fire a plastic pellet at over 450 fps. Kids do lose eyes, hearing and receive other serious injuries from such weapons.

A public park is shared space; playing shooting games requires exclusive use of extensive space to avoid hitting "noncombatants."

This ain't rocket science: Move the shootin' games to the backyard, eh?

boofus
February 7, 2005, 02:00 PM
Airsoft and paintball belong on either isolated private property or in an area specifically designed for wargames. Playing either in a public area shows an amazing lack of responsibility.

No different than playing Nascar with your friends on the freeway. Ok on the track, but not on the public roads.

Sindawe
February 7, 2005, 02:08 PM
Airsoft and paintball belong on either isolated private property or in an area specifically designed for wargames. Playing either in a public area shows an amazing lack of responsibility.

Or on National Forest land, using the same rules as we do when we go out to the woods to target shoot or plink at old cans.

In a public park in an urban or suburban environment, yeah, that is just irresponsible and the kids in this situation should be directed to a more appropriate venue for such play.

trooper
February 7, 2005, 02:10 PM
Hmm. Of course all boys enjoy playing cops and robbers and it's just half the fun without the proper gear.

But CAS700850 pointed out a very valid problem which led to the death of a young man here in Germany. Some time ago a worried grandma saw a boy playing around with a life-like AK-47 airsoft replica in the park. She called the police and reported a man wielding a machine gun. The cops arrived and found a young man pointing an AK at them. They screamed at him to drop the weapon and opened fire when he didn't, killing him in the process. Afterwards it turned out that he was deaf-mute and could neither hear them nor explain that it was just a toy.

Toy guns should clearly be identifiable as toys.


Regards,

Trooper

AZLibertarian
February 8, 2005, 02:54 PM
In preface...
My brother and I both had BB guns as kids. We'd enlist all the other neighborhood boys into teams and have full-fledged 'Wars'. Sure, the BB's stung, but luckily, nobody got hurt. As young teens, we made 'Tennis-ball' cannons, and although we scared each other, we still didn't hurt anyone.
My son got a BB gun when he was about 8.
I've carried CCW for years. Somebody asked me how many guns I have, and in truth, I couldn't tell him.
This lady appears to be the definition of a bliss-ninnie.

All that said, pointing a gun at someone--even a toy gun--ought to be serious business and not laughed off as "Boys will be boys". I have a serious distaste for Airsoft and paintball games for just this reason. Shooting someone isn't a game, and teaching your sons (or allowing them to teach themselves) that it is, is wrong, IMO. If he wants to shoot something, take him to the range, or set up a BB gun range with paper plates and pop cans in your backyard. Shooting your friend shouldn't be a game.

sam59
December 23, 2005, 09:36 AM
I did the BB gun thing as a kid, no eye protection no less. Know that I think about it, that was stupid. I also had a full auto BB gun in the early 80's that ran off of 1lb Freon cans. It was not all that powerful but the Freon tended to frreze the BB's, thye were not only hard but really cold. Bottom line- I will not let my son do it without my supervision. I could not live with myself if he lost an eye or worse.

And thats all he wrote!

AnthonyRSS
December 23, 2005, 09:47 AM
I find it slightly amusing that some people think paintball and airsoft wars are wrong because you are pointing 'guns' at each other. Teach your kids to know the difference between toy guns and real guns. Like the difference between cartoons and real life.

The only problem I could possibly see is that of hitting anyone not playing, and there are airsoft guns that are fairly powerful.

Live Free Or Die
December 23, 2005, 11:27 AM
This is an interesting topic for me. I don't have any kids yet, but when I do I will have to decide whether to allow the gun-play. At the moment I'm leaning towards "no." I'm not convinced that (airsoft) gun-play is intrinsically dangerous or irresponsible, but rather I think there's a benefit to teaching a child about real firearm responsibility and marksmanship at a young age. I want to first-and-foremost instill values of responsible firearm handling and usage, and to the extent that airsoft gun-play muddles the issue, I'd prefer to avoid it.

I'm actually a bit of an airsoft fan myself. I use my airsoft pistols for target practice in my basement. With a decent-quality replica, you get to practice sighting, breathing, trigger control, etc. With some models you can even get a little recoil. It makes for fun and inexpensive training when I don't have time to make it to the range.

As for the blissninny neighbor who's threatening to call the police -- IMO she probably just hates guns period. No amount of reason or explanation will satisfy her need to have those boys stop playing with guns. To her, guns == evil, and apparently she feels the same way about toy guns. She might not even view them as toy guns, but rather "somewhat less dangerous" guns. I think her only valid points are: (1) it's probaby not a good idea to be running around shooting projectiles in a public area, and (2) it is pretty darn inconsiderate to litter a public area with (probably) hundreds of little plastic pellets.

V4Vendetta
December 23, 2005, 01:08 PM
Here's my only concern with this situation:

"911. What is your emergency?"

Busybody: "Oh my God, I just saw a couple of boys in the park with guns! send the poliec. Fast!"

Police arrive on gun call, thoughts of Columbine in their minds. See a boy with an AK in his hands. Don't need much imagination to see where this could go, with a nervous cop and a kid with a realistic looking gun in his hands.

I'd suugest talking to the police about setting up some way of allowing the kids to play, while keeping them safe from such an incident, like a way of letting the police know the kids are playing, set times for games, etc.



I agree. Let your kids go to the range with you & shoot real guns. I have never owned a BB gun however. I asked the clerk if they would kill a bird*. He said no way. I decided I would save up for a shotgun.


*I have a bird problem.

Polishrifleman
December 23, 2005, 02:54 PM
The time I shot out a window and my dad had me march over apologize and pay to replace it with money and my red behind giving me a lesson in respect for others stuff and the responsibility and consequences for my actions.

The first time I shot a bird wounding a robin and watching it die and listening to the other birds po'd at me. It was for no reason and what a waste. Another life lesson to realize first hand that you are taking a life and it will have an effect.

We can not protect everyone, and accidents are going to happen. Boys will be boys and girls will be girls. Teach your kids the life lessons you can and they hopefully with God's blessing learn the rest safely.

We have BB guns, airsoft, bottle rockets, potato guns, nerf blasters, bow and suction arrows, sligshots, funnelators, throwing stars, magnifying glasses, WD40 and a match, don't forget cherry bombs, pipe bombs forbid.

What we don't have anymore is space. There is and always will be a Mrs. Kravitz in the neighborhood or an overly protective (in your eyes) parent that is willing to comment.

My opinion is these people harbor a vast jealousy for those of us that still go outside with our kids or even let our kids play outside (alone) and instead of stepping out and smelling mother nature they want to keep you in.

Wow rant over abruptly before I spontaneously combust!!!:fire:

adaman04
December 23, 2005, 03:12 PM
Undeducated people are the one's that are afraid of guns. If I knew nothing about forks and just looked at one from a distance and had never used one, I could see how someone might impale themselves on it. AHHHHH! :uhoh:

When I was a youngster, my Dad built my sister a play house. It was nice and a scaled model of an actual house, not 4 pieces of plywood nailed in a square. I was jealous, so for my birthday he built me a MAN FORT over our dog pen. It was about 8 feet off the ground, the building was 8x8 probably, I had a 10x10 deck to shoot off of and a flag pole, waving Old Glory. Inside the fort, I had a toolbox like you would put in the bed of your truck. It was filled to the brim with toy rifles, shotguns, pistols, knives, grenades, crossbows, fake suppressors, hand cuffs, whaver the tactically oriented 4 year old may need.

Every one of those guns was black and looked real, if they didn't I didn't want them. Dad would help me paint them to add realism! I also learned safe gun handling with these up to age 5 when I started shooting .22's. I was the neighborhood Lord of War. :D The country ain't country no more.

ka50
December 23, 2005, 03:38 PM
My older son shot an airsoft gun at a gunshow, and immediately wanted one. No way that's gonna happen. I do not want them ever thinking of any gun as a toy. That part of my "childhood fun" had extremely low value (when looked at from the ripe old age of 43) in my life, with very large, life altering possible outcomes.



:rolleyes: I had toy guns, and BB guns since I was 10. Never considered gun a toy, even a toygun.

Explain to him the responsibilities. Buy him airsoft gear and mask and send him out airsofting. He'll thank you for that.

Or you think "others are not responsible enough" to handle arms... where did I hear that again?!! :rolleyes:

mbs357
December 23, 2005, 04:12 PM
WOWZ OLD THREAD.
I just read the first post and you mentioned a lady complaining about "BBS EVERYWHERE IN THE GRASS", get some biodegradable BBs for the kids, that'll shut her up quick, eh. =o

Kodiaz
December 23, 2005, 04:12 PM
The problem here is that a liberal has found this activity offensive. Feeling offended is very similar to feeling pain. If you add a new source of pain the old source doesn't seem to bother you as much. So what you have to do is offend this liberal even more by affixing a bayonet to a pistol and a shotgun and email her a picture of children holding these terrifying modified weapons. She will immediately forget about airsoft.

Kodiaz
December 23, 2005, 04:23 PM
Ok I should have read all the posts before I put in a standard offend a liberal post.

Talking about gun safety and shooting games (paintball airsoft). I'm 31 (I want my 2's back) so after years of hunting around my twenties I started playing piantball after years of the four rules and never ever point a gun at anyone. I still remember the first I went to shoot someone playing paintball, because I hesitated since I was well taught about not pointing guns at people that I actually looked at the paintball gun before I fired. Now the reverse maybe true you might want to take your son to shoot some real firearms and do some hunting. IMHO it is better to think about a paintball gun (or airsoft) as a real gun than think of a real gun as a paintball gun. On the painball field you can always tell who owns real guns because they follow the rules even with their paintball gun.

newfalguy101
December 23, 2005, 04:25 PM
I find it interesting that we (much like OUR parents) talk about the stupid things we did as kids and say NO WAY I will let MY kid do that.

I dunno bout any of ya'll, but MY parents (as far as I know anyway) Never knew about our BB gun wars.

My dad used to get almost giddy when talking about he cars he had when growing up, but he didnt think I should have a fast car, and he sure didnt want me to drive like I do now :neener: :evil:

My whole point is this: we did stupid things as kids, our parents did stupid things as kids and OUR kids WILL do stupid things, cuz they ARE kids, does that mean we shouldnt discourage stupid behavior?????? COURSE not, but c'mon get real, we cant ( and franky I dont like to think abut what kind of pansies we would raise if we DID ) watch them every single second of every day. We have to do our best to train our kids to not be foolish, but be ready when they come to us with a black eye or a welt from "trying to see what would happen if......."

As for the original post ( I got kinda sidetracked :D ) I agree with the posters who suggested directing these kids to a private play place and safety glasses surly couldnt hurt ;)

newfalguy101
December 23, 2005, 04:31 PM
I just noticed that this thread is nearly a year old.

How did this come out??????

jefnvk
December 23, 2005, 05:48 PM
I find it slightly amusing that some people think paintball and airsoft wars are wrong because you are pointing 'guns' at each other

That is about the way I feel.

Airsoft and paintball guns are designed to be shot at people. People that are wearing the proper safety equipment, that is. They are a step up from Nerf guns, a step down from BB guns on the 'real weapon' scale.

I have no problem with people shooting these at each other. IMHO, people screaming that they shouldn't be shot at people because that will teach kids that shooting guns at people is OK are no better than the people trying to ban violent video games.

However (and there is always a however), a public park is not the place to be doing this. Some isolated piece of woods (preferably private property, with the permission of the owner) is.

And BTW, I'd rather be hit with an airsoft BB than a paintball.

AZLibertarian
December 23, 2005, 09:19 PM
I find it slightly amusing that some people think paintball and airsoft wars are wrong because you are pointing 'guns' at each other.... and ...IMHO, people screaming that they shouldn't be shot at people because that will teach kids that shooting guns at people is OK are no better than the people trying to ban violent video games....

I'll try not to take this personally, but after 10 months, it does seem to be sorta aimed (no pun intended) at me...

I can't deny that I don't like guns pointed at me. I'm the same on the street, the range, or "at play". If we were talking about knife-fighting, I wouldn't want my kids playing with butter knives either. Simulating deadly action ought to be serious business, not kid's play. Of course, any of us are free to raise our kids according to our own standards. If you like airsoft/paintguns--fine. I don't, and we'll agree to disagree.

And FWIW, in case this was directed at me and not the nutcase lady in the article which started this thread, no-one was "screaming" here. Nor did I see anyone make any connection to video games. Although I'm mostly past playing violent video games, I have enjoyed them in the past. As realistic as today's games are, I see a clear distinction between the simulated actions on a video game, and the actions on a paintball field. The opponent on the video game is generally a well-done cartoon, and the consequences of shooting him amount to nothing. The opponent on the paintball field is a real, live human being, and it is only through the down-powered nature of the weapons that no serious injuries are incurred. I understand all about teaching kids the difference between the real and fake worlds, and real and fake weapons. However, I maintain that many (but not all) kids cannot fathom the difference between simulated wounds and real ones, so my kids have never owned either airsoft or paintball equipment. Instead of investing in kid's airsoft or paintball stuff, I've chosen to place those dollars into real guns and take the kids to the range as often as possible. I've done my best to teach them all about gun safety, markmanship, etc. Then, if they still wanted practical experience, I'd get them started in IDPA or 3-gun competition. But, for me, it has always been important that they never point a gun (even a fake one) at a human.

As with everything, YMMV.

hjaeger
December 31, 2005, 01:32 AM
Airsoft and paintball belong on either isolated private property or in an area specifically designed for wargames. Playing either in a public area shows an amazing lack of responsibility.

No different than playing Nascar with your friends on the freeway. Ok on the track, but not on the public roads.

Bingo. Isolated, private property is the way to go. Even if it involves a drive. Peace of mind is worth it. Even bystanders should be wearing face and eye protection.

Other than that, launch a fundraiser upgrade to Tokyo Marui AEGs.

My CA G36E just came the other day... Next to the FAMAS F1...

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jefnvk
December 31, 2005, 02:03 AM
I'll try not to take this personally, but after 10 months, it does seem to be sorta aimed (no pun intended) at me...


Not directing it at you at all. Just making an observation.

bigun15
December 31, 2005, 02:13 AM
I feel that, as a teenager who owns and uses an airsoft gun, has fought in many airsoft wars, and spreads and encourages airsoft, it is my responsibility to deliver the following message to the woman trying to shut out the boys and their airsoft.

Shut the F... up

svtruth
December 31, 2005, 09:05 AM
and their sisters, to the range.


and their sisters, to the range.

trueblue1776
December 31, 2005, 09:16 AM
tell the kids to use M-80's as hand gernades in their bb gun wars, that what some of our dads taught us anyway....:D

GEM
December 31, 2005, 01:04 PM
I'm on the private property side. Just like folks who think it is funny when their dog runs full speed at you in the park, growling. Said Fido was almost vaporized the other day.

I have little confidence that kids pay attention to the flight path of the balls or who's around them.

Sorry to be an old tool on this. Given some people have suggested telling the women to shut f up - I think this demonstrates youth maturity.

newfalguy101
December 31, 2005, 02:47 PM
I think this demonstrates youth maturity

Or lack of same ;)

280PLUS
December 31, 2005, 02:58 PM
I posted this over at the "Airsoft, ouch they hurt" thread but figured I'd put it here too...

Just recently I found myself literally in the middle of 3 guys (not kids) having a little airsoft war out in a parking lot behind the reaturant I was going into. When I saw the guns at first, I damn near began reaching for mine. Except it ain't no airsoft. I just walked on without saying anything because until I read this I thought they were virtually harmless. Should there be a next time, I'll be speaking up.

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There would have been three young men needing new drawers if I'd walked out into that, UNLESS I had happened to notice the little orange frontpiece.

It was a close one. Honestly, I don't remember seeing orange muzzles. All I saw was 1911 looking guns that came out of nowhere but they were just going "tick, tick, tick" when they started pulling the triggers. One had rushed his friend and was shooting him point blank. LIke I said earlier, I thought they were more like "nerf" guns and harmless. But I can see now how an accidental shooting could occur under those circumstances. It was literally a split second decision whether to pull my weapon or not. Fortunately for all concerned, I made the right choice.

WillBrayJr
December 31, 2005, 04:11 PM
Playing paintball is more dangerous than airsoft. Some people might not think paintball is dangerous because the markers don't look like real firearms. Any sport can be dangerous.

As long as it's legal to play airsoft and the kids play safely and responsibly, then who cares. Would you rather see kids drinking, doing drugs or hanging out with gang bangers. I don't like most sports, but if it helps keep kids on the right path than I'm all for it.

I like airsoft guns, I use them for target shooting and they're safer than american bb guns. Of course mine aren't the generic ones found at Wal-Mart. Mine shoot 100ft straight before starting to be drop.

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