Should former MP's be registered by Dept. of Homeland Security?


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OH25shooter
February 6, 2005, 11:45 AM
Ex-military police may find this interesting: http://home.pacbell.net/veterans/xmp.htm

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beerslurpy
February 6, 2005, 11:58 AM
Your link takes the amusing and unlikely position that the government doesnt know who has already served in the armed forces and it is somehow incapable of finding them if it needs their services at some later date. Perhaps you should tell that to the people currently performing a year or two past the ending of their enlistment thanks to Stop-Loss.

The only disturbing thing in there is that the only possible use of military police in a "civilan" role would be to impose martial law. Maybe that was your point. :D Sorry.

OH25shooter
February 6, 2005, 12:44 PM
beerguy,

I remember you from another hotpost, by you. Regarding the death of a Marine in Iraq. One that you did not respond or defend your comments. One that many other members wished you had. Anyway, I am not commenting positive or negative towards this current subject. I received the article from a former MP and I thought other former MP's would be interested. I'm just the messenger.

DMF
February 6, 2005, 01:16 PM
http://glocktalk.com/images/smilies/tinfoil.gif

Devonai
February 6, 2005, 01:25 PM
This website and survey questions are inspired by what condition or source, exactly?

Without some sort of history, this is nothing more than pure speculation. From an academic standpoint, there's no harm in discussing it, but proposing that this is actually something to worry about will indeed result in the donning of tin foil hats.

Blue Line
February 6, 2005, 01:36 PM
unless your gonna pull an Eric Robert Rudolph or hide on the Pakistan frontier, the govt can find you, its just a matter of time and how bad they want you.

OpenRoad
February 6, 2005, 05:07 PM
They can't track everyone, even with all the computers in the world, unless we are convinced that they can do so and allow them to. This article is just another piece of the conditioning propaganda. Trying to suck you into a phony debate.

Hawkmoon
February 6, 2005, 05:07 PM
The only disturbing thing in there is that the only possible use of military police in a "civilan" role would be to impose martial law.
I didn't see any mention of "martial law" in the article. Since martial law is, by definition, the substitution of military control in lieu of civilian control, your statement makes no sense whatsoever, and is not what the article was talking about.

OpenRoad
February 6, 2005, 05:43 PM
Hawkmoon, you can't see the foreshadowing?

Art Eatman
February 6, 2005, 06:01 PM
I didn't hunt around on that website to see what their deal is all about, but that particular "poll" seems to be another case of folks worrying about unlikely circumstances.

Somebody probably oughta start a club: Worriers of the World, or WoW! for short.

Art

Hawkmoon
February 6, 2005, 09:56 PM
Hawkmoon, you can't see the foreshadowing?
Of ...?

Kharn
February 6, 2005, 10:03 PM
If the military can call up former .mil doctors from years ago, I'm sure they'd do just fine calling up all the MPs they could want.

Kharn

Shaughn Leayme
February 6, 2005, 10:09 PM
If the government wants to reactivate you, then they will and unless you run under the radar, no credit, paid by cash, drive a vehicle registered in someone elses name etc, there are numerous ways and means of tracking you down, just takes a little time and money.

Honest people are easy to find, those less than honest take a little longer .......

Art Eatman
February 7, 2005, 12:00 AM
Aside from numerous voluntary social organizations for ex-military, there's always the VA and IRS. Plus, retirement checks gotta go somewhere, as do disability checks.

.gov gets what .gov wants...

Art

Jeff White
February 7, 2005, 01:58 AM
There is this big complex at 9700 Page Blvd in St Louis. Over the years it's been known as RCPAC, ARPERSON, National Personnel Records Center...There they have the files of everyone who has served in the Army in any capacity and been discharged. It's a simple matter to pull up lists of people who have served by MOS. No need for Department of Homeland Security to keep lists of anything....

Most military police and military law enforcement personnel serving in National Guard units receive civilian legal and constitutional training and orientation. Accordingly and not unexpectedly, the greatest number of civil rights complaints and lawsuits filed by civilians against the Department of Defense result from actions and decisions taken by active duty MPs rather than by NG and Reserve MPs. Also accordingly, thousands of exhaustive and frustrating manhours are spent by civilian law enforcement agency's investigating abuses by active duty MPs following their national security emergency deployments, whereas as National Guard and Reserve military police professionals receive virtually no public complaints.

I wonder where they got this idea? Do you think it might be because RC MPs don't often deal with law enforcement issues. Not to the extent their AC counterparts do. Let's not forget that the MPs who brought Abu Gharib into the news were USAR MPs who were very poorly led.

Jeff

WT
February 7, 2005, 11:48 AM
Anybody have pictures of that female MP, PFC Deanna Allen, 19 who was in the topless mud wrestling contest? She's with the 105th MP Battalion. Now THAT is important! The story is making the rounds on AP.

St. Louis has a lot of good stuff readily available. They had no problem finding my grandfather's Army records from the Spanish American War.

Heck, I think a lot of old MP's would love to be called up if it meant they had to mud wrestle with some of their young female colleagues.

flatrock
February 7, 2005, 12:00 PM
Since the site talks about conscription, I would assume that this would only be needed if martial law were imposed due to extreme circumstances.

If the situation requires them to use conscripts to impose martial law in the US, then I guess I'd rather they use people that have some training rather than those without training.

I'm not surprised that the MPs get more civil rights complaints than the average soldier. Domestically I suspect our police get more civil rights compalins against them than other types of civil servants.

I think this site is trying to make a big deal out of nothing.

MICHAEL T
February 7, 2005, 02:45 PM
As a former MP I'am waiting by the phone Please call I need the work and only lack a few years for my 20.

Logan5
February 7, 2005, 03:11 PM
What this seems to indicate to me is that the DHS Citizen Corps Volunteers in Police Service and CERT programs have been greeted with more or less total lack of interest by state and local officials, and they're having to look in new places for people to direct traffic in case of an emergency. This could be a way to appear to have a contingency plan without spending any federal grant money on employees, training, or equipment.

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