Which caliber do u prefer for defense?


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Kenshin
February 6, 2005, 09:57 PM
What the title says.

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GaryP
February 6, 2005, 10:37 PM
.45acp when I carry an auto in CCW mode. Most of the time though it is a revolver in .44 spl.

For liability purposes I would prefer to take my fired brass with me, not leave it scattered about at the scene! :uhoh:


:evil:

Spackler
February 6, 2005, 10:49 PM
.38spl, 9x19, .40S&W, .45ACP, depending on my mood.

CB900F
February 6, 2005, 11:03 PM
Fella's;

I normally carry a .40 S&W. But will also take a .357 magnum under some circumstances. I notice that that option isn't in the poll. And reason why? surely it's not because someone thinks it's neither available nor effective, right?

900F

Kenshin
February 6, 2005, 11:06 PM
...that's why .357 mag. isn't there.

OEF_VET
February 7, 2005, 12:19 AM
.45 ACP, with my wheelgun preference going to .357 - although I have a wheelgun in .45ACP as well.

tbeb
February 7, 2005, 12:45 AM
I don't own a .40 S&W or a .357 Sig. I do own a .45 ACP and a 9mm. I voted .45 ACP, because I would take an 8-shot .45 over an 8-shot 9mm.

10-Ring
February 7, 2005, 12:57 AM
I bought into the big bullet, big hole ideology a long time ago so I voted 45 acp :cool:

Caliburn
February 7, 2005, 01:49 AM
Lots of .45 fans. I would have chosen that too but my CCW unit is a Kahr .40. The .45 is for home defense, but only if the shottie isn't at hand.

Aahzz
February 7, 2005, 07:55 AM
Whichever one shoots to point of aim when I need it to - shot placement is key.

Island Beretta
February 7, 2005, 08:59 AM
9mm - best all round for self-defense.

- mild recoil, not such a nasty blast, high caps, not as sensitive to OAL setbacks, more easily obtained, less expensive, top loads have pretty impressive ballistics etc. etc. - all these comparisons are to its bigger brothers, .40 and .45.

If I had just bought into the 'bigger is better' then I would have had a .38 revolver..it would have been far easier to obtain a license for this..

McCall911
February 7, 2005, 08:59 AM
I voted for the 9mm because it was first. :D
Actually, I like the first three of the list, but don't have any experience with the .357 Sig. However, I do have the warm fuzzies about this newest round because of the ballistic similarity to the .357 Magnumn.

ruger357
February 7, 2005, 09:45 AM
.45 1911.

Lennyjoe
February 7, 2005, 10:35 AM
5 years ago it was the .40 but now its .45

bnolsen
February 7, 2005, 02:54 PM
I picked .45 but I carry 10mm

denfoote
February 7, 2005, 04:47 PM
I'd have to say that based on the number of platforms I own for launching it, the 9mm is the winner!!
I have been known to hoof a G36 around as well as a Smith Sigma in .40S&W!!!
Lately, I have been hiding an aluminum framed Taurus M85.
I like the fact that it weighs a little over a pound!! :evil:

Lobotomy Boy
February 7, 2005, 04:58 PM
I have a .357 Magnum as a carry gun, but have been considering an autoloader. I voted .45 ACP, because all things being equal, that's what I want. For me it is the most controllable and accurate round, with more than enough stopping power. That said, I may go with a 9mm or .40 caliber, because I believe they also have more than enough stopping power, and there are a lot of good choices in those calibers. I'm thinking about a CZ Rami because right now most of my handgun shooting is with my CZ75B so that's what I'm used to, but if the new Kahr PM45 proves to be a good gun, I'll consider that.

GEM
February 7, 2005, 05:00 PM
With my god-like speed, I carry a reversed blade Spyderco and have no need for a gun in this new era.

Kenshin joke

tc300mag1
February 7, 2005, 05:03 PM
icarry a 45 and a 9mm but i prefer the 45

Black Majik
February 7, 2005, 06:56 PM
.45 ACP.

That's what the 1911 shoots. :D

JeepDriver
February 7, 2005, 07:16 PM
9mm

It's what I practice with the most and as a result it's the round I shoot the best with!

Headless Thompson Gunner
February 7, 2005, 07:19 PM
Black Majik has the right answer.

.45 is the best, because that's the caliber 1911s come in.

Even the venerable 1911 is trumped by a long gun though, so I'd take a 12 guage or a 308 over a 45.

cidirkona
February 7, 2005, 07:34 PM
Fighting calibers start with "four."

...although I carry a .380 for ultra-compact carry...

-Colin

Black Snowman
February 7, 2005, 07:48 PM
Of those listed, 45 ACP. My preference is for 10mm because I feel it's just as effective as 45 ACP but I can get more capacity in the same size gun. The guns I actually carry end up being 40 S&W becuase I find it to be the best balance of power and controllability in the smaller packages.

agtman
February 7, 2005, 09:15 PM
The 10mm AUTO is presently seeing a resurgence as the defensive cartridge of choice for those who are serious about stopping power. :p Excluding it as a candidate among autoloading cartridges preferred for defensive use renders this poll invalid. :neener:

cidirkona
February 7, 2005, 09:38 PM
I have friends that are completely comfortable carrying .22lr -- although I never would. I prefer .40sw. I would love to get my hands around some 10mm though sometime...

Those witness pistols and their nifty exchangable slide/magazines look tempting... I'd really like to get one in .45acp and get the 10mm kit for it.

-Colin

DMK
February 7, 2005, 09:47 PM
I most often carry a 45ACP, although the main reason I carry it is because I like the thin 1911 platform for CCW.

I have a .40S&W CZ that I carry in the car for road trips and I certainly feel comfortable with it. As a matter of fact, my only hesitation with .40S&W is bullet setback when rechambering the carry round. With 45ACP, that doesn't bother me so much since it's such a low pressure round.

9mm just doesn't give me the warm fuzzy comfortable feeling when I have other choices of carry gun. My only 9mm has been relegated to range practice only use.

I don't see the need for 357 Sig. If I want hot and fast, I'll carry the real deal: 357Mag in a revolver.

shooter1
February 7, 2005, 09:50 PM
I prefer the one I have with me. I carry several different hadguns of different calibers depending on the threat level and dress. They are all capable of defending anything worth defending.
str2

Ala Dan
February 7, 2005, 10:42 PM
Greeting's All-


Based on my personal experiences of military and LEO life, I voted
for the .45 ACP. You take any 1911A1 military .45 with the tiny
sights and learn to shoot it well; then everything else seems quite
natural. I've said the same thing about the SIG-SAUER P220A's DA
first shot; learn to master it, and everything else is second nature.
The .45 ACP has been, continues, and always will be my choice of
self-defense calibers. Good Luck To All, and Happy Shooting~ :D

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

357SIG
February 7, 2005, 11:01 PM
I bet you can't guess what I picked!

My secondary caliber is .45 Auto, though.

Sergeant Sabre
February 7, 2005, 11:30 PM
.45 ACP, because that's what the ".45" is, duh!! :D

Clean97GTI
February 7, 2005, 11:33 PM
.45 ACP offer nothing in exchange for th extra capacity .40S&W offers.

My primary carry piece is .40S&W,

My backup is .380 Auto.

Center mass or bust!!!

Headless Thompson Gunner
February 8, 2005, 12:15 AM
.45 ACP offer nothing in exchange for th extra capacity .40S&W offers.
Sure it does. It offers 1911s!! :neener:

browningguy
February 8, 2005, 12:18 AM
My regular carry gun is one of my .40 S&W High Powers, although I also have 9's to carry (2 High Powers and a Witness PS), just don't carry them much since I went to the .40. Any of those listed work well with good loads and placement.

jmilliron
February 8, 2005, 12:30 AM
Why does it seem like most law enforcement agencies use .40 now? Could they only use FMJ and not JHP? Is that why 9mm wasn't effective enough?

-jason m

Pointman1776
February 8, 2005, 02:44 AM
+1 for the .45ACP, especially JHP.

The arguments for the other rounds are capacity and control (recoil management) as trade-offs to sheer stopping power. Consider that you've just been awakened out of a deep sleep at 3am, you're groggy, stumbling, see an intruder, not fully awake yet, you flick on the rail light on your handgun, he's attacking, you have no options, and you only get one shot off...what caliber and type of ammunition do you want in your handgun?

Yes, the 9mm in 147gr JHP is a very effective man-stopper, and yes, you can practice with inexpensive 9mm in 115gr. FMJ, and then use 145gr JHP as your defense round. The 9mm is a very versatile platform. But my oh my, no other commonly available pistol round beats a .45 is for sheer stopping power.

Maddock
February 8, 2005, 09:34 PM
45ACP, though none of them are notably superior to the others.
It's just so hard to conceal the Garand.

danbh
February 9, 2005, 07:12 AM
If I am not mistaken there are a number of 357 semi-auto handguns out there. Beretta is one that comes to mind..... :)

shooter1
February 9, 2005, 10:28 AM
Didn't know Beretta chambered a pistol in .357 Sig-----! Of course I could be wrong as I am no fan of sub calibers in huge pistols,
str1

psyopspec
February 9, 2005, 10:41 AM
I carry 9mm and .45 at different times, but all else being equal prefer the .45.

cidirkona
February 9, 2005, 12:42 PM
there are a number of 357 semi-auto handguns out there

SIG? How many 357 magnum semi-autos are out there? DE?

-Colin

mbs357
February 9, 2005, 12:51 PM
M576 40mm buckshot rounds loaded into my shoulder holster carried Mk19.
On days that I'm just not -into it-, I'll probably take something in 10mm or 9mm.

"...what's that bulge in your jacket?"

Zach S
February 9, 2005, 01:08 PM
I own 11 firearms. Eight handguns, two carbines and one shotgun.

I have one .38, one 9mm, one 5.56, and one 12 gauge. The rest are .45s.

I just realized I only have six 1911s, and need to buy a "Sunday gun."

Stickjockey
February 9, 2005, 01:56 PM
How many 357 magnum semi-autos are out there?

DE and Coonan Arms come immediately to mind.

My favorite SD caliber? .30-06. :evil:

In handguns though, it's .45 ACP.

deercop
February 9, 2005, 08:46 PM
When the weather's hot, and I'm carrying concealed, a Glock 27 in .40 S&W.

Otherwise, Glock 20 in 10mm for all other applications!!

Red$tinger.308
February 11, 2005, 12:40 AM
10mm Auto and .223 Remington all the way! Maybe even the .308 Winchester loaded with Sinterfire frangible ammo. :cool: :D

Flashpoint
February 11, 2005, 03:23 AM
I'm more concerned about the gun than the round. If the gun fits well then it would make shot placement that much easier, and shot placement is what matters, right? :D

But if they were all the same gun fireing different rounDs then I would say hand me the one that fires that compromise round. 40S&W.

McCall911
February 11, 2005, 08:59 AM
Hmmm.... :scrutiny:

Interesting to me how the 9mm has moved ahead of the .40 S&W in this poll, while it's no surprise to me that the .45 ACP is winning by a landslide.

Ktulu
February 11, 2005, 09:34 AM
.45

Bigger IS better. Anyone who tells you different is lying to you.

Flashpoint
February 11, 2005, 10:03 AM
Interesting to me how the 9mm has moved ahead of the .40 S&W in this poll, while it's no surprise to me that the .45 ACP is winning by a landslide.

I noticed that too. Both the 9mm and 45acp have been around for a while and have had a lot longer to build a following. I'm sure they're other reasons, llike .40 having a harsher recoil than 9mm ect...

MaterDei
February 11, 2005, 10:16 AM
12

Oh wait, that's a gauge, not a caliber. In that case I choose .45ACP.

BJPARKER
February 11, 2005, 07:43 PM
A Colt lw Commander until my Defender is properly broken in. 45acp in a 1911 platform is very easy to manage and very accurate for me. Wish I would have tried it sooner than I did. I also carry a Ruger .357 at times, or even a 38 snubby with +P ammo when the occassion necessitates.

surfinUSA
February 11, 2005, 09:28 PM
I like the 40s. Powerful and easy to conceal. Not that I don't have and like both 45s and 9mms. I just think the 40 is the best as far as power, capacity, and concealablity are concerned. I have seen the 40 at work in real life situations and it works just fine (not that the 45 and 9mm don't, for the most part they work fine too). But It think the 40 combines the best into a really good self defense package.

Relayer
February 11, 2005, 11:13 PM
The sweet shooting .45ACP from my COLT Series 70!

Fredhead
February 12, 2005, 12:13 AM
I like 9mm for CC, .45 for everything else.

bpisler
February 12, 2005, 01:13 AM
9mmP for me,easy to control,accurate from both of my 9's,ammo is cheap enought for lots of practice.

NotTroy
February 12, 2005, 06:25 PM
I think you'll find alot of people love the .45 ACP and hate the 9mm for the same reasons that they love football and hate soccer. There is no more "American" caliber than the .45ACP.

That and to us Americans, bigger is always better.

Remember,

"There is only one God, and John Moses Browning is his armorer."

Zach S
February 12, 2005, 06:41 PM
I think you'll find alot of people love the .45 ACP and hate the 9mm for the same reasons that they love football and hate soccer. There is no more "American" caliber than the .45ACP.
I never thought of it like that. Makes sense, however I dont watch football. Although I do love the sound of a smallblock with open headers at 6000rpm, a honda doing the same thing just irritates me.

DarkKnight01
February 12, 2005, 07:58 PM
I never thought of it like that. Makes sense, however I dont watch football. Although I do love the sound of a smallblock with open headers at 6000rpm, a honda doing the same thing just irritates me.

Well thats american MUSCLE being compared to a rice grinder.. Not to say that civics are a bad car, their really not, and cheap to tune up, a few hundred $ and you can get quite a bit of power out of them... what annoys me is the kids that put a fart can and a wing on it and think its high performance...

as far as the poll goes... .45ACP for me =)

wolf
February 13, 2005, 02:11 PM
cars & guns..hmmm...ok...the 9mm..fast, sleek..a bmw comes to mind..but its not the rumble & pop of american muscle..the 300+hp v8...it may not be as fast as some of the exoticts..and it doesn't have to be..it's history speaks for itself and doesn't have to jump the line with a kid in a riced out honda prelude

if someone is coming in my home uninvited...they meet the .45

wolf

Surefire
February 13, 2005, 11:42 PM
.45 ACP. Not because I think its significantly more efffective than the other rounds, but because I get the best combination of accuracy and controllability. The .40 I find to be too snappy and get mediocre grouping, never tried a .357 Sig, and the 9mm I generally cannot group well. The .45 has given me the best combo of controllability and accuracy.

wally
February 14, 2005, 01:24 PM
.45ACP is my preference, but I usually carry .40S&W (Kahr PM40) or .357 mag (S&W SC360 J-frame) as the best size/weight/power trade-off. This could change once I see a Kahr P45 of if they come out with a PM45 down the road.

Kimber Ultra Carry is my first choice when I can hide it.

--wally.

miko912
February 15, 2005, 07:10 PM
It's what comes out of my 6906. I'm finding myself looking at 45's ALOT lately and I totally get the bigger hole theory. Just haven't taken the leap yet.

Bill

WvaBill
February 15, 2005, 11:21 PM
My P220 just looks so sweet...and it comes in .45 :cool: .

YammyMonkey
February 16, 2005, 04:27 AM
I voted .45 because that's what my preferred firearm is most widely available in. If 1911's were 9mm or .40 guns typically, my choice would still be the 1911 in whatever caliber.

Clean97GTI
February 16, 2005, 05:05 AM
The 1911 platform is NO reason to get a .45. Low capacity is teh lose.

.45 has good balistics, but they aren't that great when compared to .40 and the extra bullets it gives you. Start looking at 10mm (which wasn't included) and you start to see the problems with .45

BTW, Colt made a 1911 in 10mm, so now you .45 guys have no excuse to stick with such an outdated round.

Zach S
February 16, 2005, 08:11 AM
BTW, Colt made a 1911 in 10mm, so now you .45 guys have no excuse to stick with such an outdated round. You mean other than the fact that 90% (give or take) of the 1911s in circulation are chambered in .45?

WvaBill
February 16, 2005, 03:49 PM
BTW, Colt made a 1911 in 10mm, so now you .45 guys have no excuse to stick with such an outdated round.

Yeah, I do, It is called P220 :neener:

shooter1
February 16, 2005, 03:53 PM
Ok, you drew me out. 45ACP of course!! Anything other than a 50 is just a compromise!
str1

shooter1
February 16, 2005, 03:53 PM
Ok, you drew me out. 45ACP of course!! Anything other than a 50 is just a compromise!
str1

unreal45
February 16, 2005, 04:21 PM
I voted for .45acp but I would feel safe with any caliber listed.

Sean Smith
February 16, 2005, 04:41 PM
Poll is missing 10mm Auto.

After that, .45 ACP.

Clean97GTI
February 16, 2005, 04:45 PM
You mean other than the fact that 90% (give or take) of the 1911s in circulation are chambered in .45?

And most of them share the same flaw. Lack of capacity.
Not worth it.

And why would you buy a P220 when you can fit more rounds into a P226 :scrutiny:

WvaBill
February 16, 2005, 08:07 PM
And why would you buy a P220 when you can fit more rounds into a P226

Because I can. :D

I can follow my logic. :neener:

And the P220 is purtier. Ain't freedom grand ;) ?

If I need more than 8 shots before a reload, it is so far into UTYAIA time that the extra rounds are superfluous.

Zach S
February 17, 2005, 08:14 AM
And most of them share the same flaw. Lack of capacity.
Not worth it.
:rolleyes: I wonder how well that would go over in the wheelgun forum.

UTYAIA :confused:

mjb
February 17, 2005, 12:38 PM
My four main self defense calibers are 10mm 155 gr gold dot, .45acp 230 gr hydrashock, .357 magnum 158gr hydrashock, .44spl 240 gr SWHP. I also carry a .38 snub loaded with 110gr silvertip hp, and a .380 Colt loaded with either SXT or gold dot.

WvaBill
February 17, 2005, 10:17 PM
Zach,
Have you never been Up To Your Armpits In Alligators?

mmike87
February 17, 2005, 10:22 PM
.50ae??? :)

MCNETT
February 19, 2005, 03:50 PM
I like them all, but carry a 10mm.
-Mike

YammyMonkey
February 20, 2005, 05:49 AM
The 1911 platform is NO reason to get a .45. Low capacity is teh lose.

It certainly is since I shoot it better than any of the higher-cap guns.

Capacity non-issue for me in a gun purchase, especially if my life could be on the line. Things like shootability, reliability, accuracy and carrying characteristics are much more important.

Rugertommy
February 20, 2005, 08:28 AM
I have read a lot of the ballistic data about how most of the cal.s listed on the poll are comparable in one way or the other. But, after seeing first hand what some of them do in the real world the .45acp is my choice hands down. When I load up it's 8+1 230gr. Golden Sabers in a 1911 platform.

WildWhenWet
February 20, 2005, 12:54 PM
I love my .45, but it won't fit in my jeans front pocket :) . My primary carry gun is a S&W 642 with .38+P.

Coltdriver
February 20, 2005, 01:22 PM
The question of carry caliber has flumoxed me from the first time I decided to get a pistol to carry. How often do you get in a gun fight??? I never have. So I don't want to pay a high PITA factor in order to be armed. I want small, easy and potent.

I would love to carry around a big honkin full sized .45. I tried it. Trouble is they are just too damm big. Hauling three plus pounds of pistol around does not fall into the category of convenient for me. I tried one of the very small Kimber CDP's but it about ripped my hand off and an accurate second shot was out of the question.

I tried a Kahr MK40 but the .40 round is so snappy in that small frame that an accurate second shot was not something I could manage. And it still weighed too much.

I have talked to a few people about the .357 sig but I understand that at the upper end of its ballistics it has snappy characteristics similar to the .40. Below that it is no hotter than a good 9mm+p round.

If I want big and bulky and not really convenient to carry I haul around a short barrelled Model 27 in .357 that I recently acquired. With full house Elmer Keith loads I don't need more than six rounds. At 45 ounces empty I find it very easy to control and to make good accurate second shot placement with. The PITA factor is high, however.

But since this forum is for automatics the ballistics out of a hot 9mm round make for a great defense round and in a modest sized pistol they are controllable. Small and easy to carry means carried all the time. So that gets my vote.

Mulliga
February 20, 2005, 01:32 PM
I prefer 9mm, mostly because it's cheaper. ;)

All the rounds listed, plus 10mm, are fine.

dolanp
February 20, 2005, 01:43 PM
9mm for me. 15 rounds of high-pressure, high-expansion, high-speed accurate goodness. :)

Skunkabilly
February 22, 2005, 04:44 PM
Voted 9mm.

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