Last-Ditch CCW BUBUG

[Skunkabilly]

Is there a gun you carry as a backup to your backup gun? One that you consider yourself 'unarmed' if that's all you have?

I'm looking at either a .32 Beretta Tomcat or a 5-shot S&W .38 J-frame.

While my dress only prohibits me from wearing on the belt several times a year, it would also be nice to have an 'always' gun that serves as a backup backup gun.

So, what do you have as your last ditch back up gun?

[Frohickey]

Last ditch backup gun... I would say a 22LR deringer. Or a 22LR pepperbox that shoots all its rounds in one pull of the trigger.

Backup to a backup, I would not want to carry yet another magazine for it.

[rich e]

Skunk. A j frame or tomcat a back up-back up! Holy cow I must be undergunned my j frames are my main carry. Sometimes [very rarely] I'll carry my tomcat as a backup. My tomcat is extremely accurate. Small groups out to 10-15 yards easy. I locked up the sigs and glocks and been toting the j's for a year now. My back up-back-up would be a naa mini 22 on a necklace. Now thats my kind of jewelery. I might pick one up at the next gunshow. Rich

[cslinger]

5 shots of .357 or .38 and you consider yourself un-armed. Wow I want you to protect me because you must be packing some heat.

I would thing the Little Berratas or .22 mag NAAs would work well. Doesn't NAA make a belt buckle gun. That would be interesting.

Maybe a little two shot .45 derringer or something. The only time you would want to fire it is when you absolutely needed to and chances are you would be at contact distance.

Chris

[Frohickey]

American Derringer makes a 2 shot 45/70 derringer. :what:

[Gerald McDonald]

When I'm not carryin I carry a NAA 22mag. or Hi Standard 22 lr. Derringer or less often a Sterling 302 in 22 lr.. When I'm carryin its usually a Rossi 68S (j frame size) or a BHP. When I am carrying full size I dont worry about a back up, 5 rounds with another 5 in a speed loader or 13 in the HP should be more than enough to cover me while gettin my butt out of dodge. I aint hangin around for a fire fight.
Gerald

[cratz2]

There's not much out there appreciably smaller than the P32 I carry as backup. Heck, Probably 25% of the time, I carry just the P32. I suppose if I really wanted a bacup to my P32 that was the backup to my 1911, I'd just get another P32 and stash it somewhere else.

Maybe 1911 IWB, P32 front strong side pocket, other P32 rear weak side pocket?

Or I guess you could go an all-Kahr route. Maybe a K9 IWB, P9 Covert in an ankle holster and the PM9 in a pocket holster. You could even use all the same mags!

[10-Ring]

I consider my Beretta Jetfire my "false sense of security." Does that count as feeling unarmed? :scrutiny:

Seriously, I got my Jetfire last year because I was in market for a very small BUG and was reading threads on Tomcat frames cracking. As I understand it, Beretta has corrected the issue and the Tomcats are fine.

Get the Tomcat in titanium....would go purrfect w/ Nina! :cool:

[Schuey2002]

Get a Glock.:p

[Double Naught Spy]

I don't understand why that the farther you get from your primary gun (backup, and then backup to the backup) that for some reasion you must drop size and caliber, eventually moving down to some of the least lethal options. You sort of got to figure that if you haven't handled the problem with your full-sized gun, dropping size and caliber to the backup is not going to afford you that same potential success rate as your full-sized and larger caliber carry. The same with the backup to the backup.

If there is a situation where I need multiple BUGs, then I don't want to be shooting some tiny dinky cap gun. The move seems to be in the wrong direction.

"I tried to stop the intruder with my 1911 .45 acp. It was not effective enough. When that didn't work, I opted to try something less effective. When that didn't work, I used another gun that was even more less effective as the previous one. By the time I ran out of BUGs, I decided the best way to handle the situation was to sit as sitting still is less effective than that 2nd Bug, so it has got to be what I need!"

[Gerald McDonald]

I dont carry a backup, dont see the need as I prefer to bug out. When I carry a pip squeak ( I wont call them ineffective as I had an uncle take a 22 long in the head during a robbery and he never regained consciousness, it was pretty effective) its only because I wish to carry really light. I really dont believe other than a Keltec P32 or a NAA mini that the current crop of pocket pistols is much smaller than say a Glock or Taurus PT111. I guess people look at them like life boats, you know when the big ship gets in trouble everyone gets in a little boat, go figger.
Gerald

[krept]

LOL

Skunk, come on man... a Titanium Snubbie? That would be just the ticket... unless you want to have a Sc fetish as well...

[EJ]

When I worked in a a blue suit -- I used to keep a NAA 22 next to my wallet tucked under and to one side -- as an "onion field" gun--

[sm]

I too used to carry a NAA 22lr as an "onion field" gun.

Now, with school main CCW is 9mm
Prefer 45ACP

When I 'assist' or "special circumstances" my usual CCW is/or has been 45ACP X2 or 45ACP and a 9mm, or 9mmX2

been awhile since I carried a j or k frame. As a rule my smallest carry is 9mm (38spl).

[Skunkabilly]

So I didn't do too hot with that snubby.

Time to give that Beretta Tomkitty a try.

[WonderNine]

Nobody but me carries a BUG in the same caliber as their main gun? What's the deal here? :confused:

[Leadbutt]

32 Kel-tec or my 22mag Black Widow

[sm]

Wondernine:
Yes

In fact Sat. more than likely will give a demo to some Students. I will use 2 1911 style or Keltec P-11. Only my gunsmith and I know about this demo and the BUG. The other instructors have not and will not be told.

Why P-11?
Some guards use them, they are ambi, DAO, fills a niche for some of the students.

Our drill will show what may happen If I'm shot, or my gun is shot.
Last time "OMG what now?"...weak hand BUG and the poppers, went down-with a P-11:D

[WonderNine]

If your BUG is the same caliber as your main gun, you can use your extra rounds in either one, if one of them decides to take a crap.

No one else seems to ever ponder this point.

If .357 is my main carry, my BUG is .357.

If 9mm is my main carry, my BUG is 9mm.

ect....

[EJ]

My experience with Tomcats -- as well as two others -- is that they jam if not VERY recently lubed--
Like every day!--

\They won't work dry--and CLP//G96//wd40// won't keep 'em lubed for more than a day--:(

[WonderNine]

This is your experience with three total Tomcats, or one Tomcat and two other mouse guns?

[Gewehr98]

Life's gotta suck when you're living in Condition Orange everyday, worrying about the backup to your backup gun. Who'd you piss off, the Kalifornia Banjo Mafia?

[WESHOOT2]

I wear my mini always; I don't care what other 'main' gun.

They all good if you good.

LAUNCH PLATFORM

[Jeff White]

Skunk,

I have a Beretta 21A. Very reliable, shoots everything I've every put in it. Milt Sparks pocket holster and you've got a bug for your bug :cool: . Also very good for use with clothing that just won't allow you to conceal anything else.

Jeff

[Tamara]

In bulky coat season, my Jetfire is my third (or sometimes even fourth) gun, depending on how much stuff has been accumulating in my pockets.

In the summertime, it's usually my second. (Of course, this summer I've promised myself I'm going to get more serious about IWB carry, so it may continue as a third, if I find the right overgarment...)

[Hand_Rifle_Guy]

A back-up to a back-up gun?

That'd be a last-ditch, super-surprise, no-one knows it's coming, James-Bondish cheating gun.

Ok. How about this? You can have it in .357 mag, or .45 ACP.

The Downsizer: http://members.aol.com/wsp45/WSP3.jpg

From Downsizer Corporation (http://www.downsizer.com/) in Santee, California.

No fair! :p One shot, miniature ultra-hideout sneaky-spy special. In serious calibers, 'cuz ya only get one. Better make it count.

Like I said. A cheating gun. And right here in the PRK, too! Who'da thought? :D

Anyone ever fired one of these? I want one just on principal, and for the Bond factor. I bet I won't shoot it much, but I don't care. It's just too sneaky to believed. The ultimate "always gun". ;)

(Hmm. I wonder if these are on the Kal-DOJ Extortion List?)

[Stevie-Ray]

I'll keep my Taurus PT-22 as the backup to a new BUG, which may be a S&W 332 or a NAA Guardian .380.

[abrahamsmith]

Has anyone tried a Stinger Pen Gun?
I've never seen one in person, but it seems like kind of a neat little piece of engineering:
http://www.stingerpengun.com/

[Blackhawk]

Without an overcoat or suit coat, I can conviently conceal 5 easily accessible guns: 1 front pocket, 1 rear pocket, 3 IWB. They are 1 .32 ACP, 2 .380 ACP, 2 9mm Luger. IWBs with spare mags.

Why?

Just for fun and to see what it's like.

One bug seems like overkill at the moment....

[Blackhawk]

Has anyone tried a Stinger Pen Gun?Not yet.

[22luvr]

Shucks, my S&W 340SC IS my backup, primary gun and everything in between. I don't carry a second gun; never have.
To each is own.

[ruger357]

Jetfire.

[Pappy John]

I can see this for a LEO, but no bugs for me. If I was going somewhere that I thought I needed a bug, my normal carry would be my backup and I'd have a shotgun to hand. Or maybe I'd rethink whether I really needed to be there all that much and stay home instead and microwave some popcorn.

I have carried both the Tomcat and the j-frame in the past and I'd definitly go with the snubby. Tomcats are pretty accurate for thier size and they feel good in the hand but mine didn't last too long in use. A hairline crack appeared in the bolt face (slide face?)after trying out some Fiocchis.

That and the anemic performance of those .32's.....and oh yeah, the trigger pull.

[Skunkabilly]

Man I need something for when I can't wear on my belt...I havent seen these suckers in CA at all :(

[Andrew Wyatt]

J-frame should do fine for a pocket piece, especially with the 158 grain "FBI load".

i'd also consider a p32 as a "suit jacket" gun.

[Tamara]

If I was going somewhere that I thought I needed a bug, my normal carry would be my backup and I'd have a shotgun to hand. Or maybe I'd rethink whether I really needed to be there all that much and stay home instead and microwave some popcorn.

If I thought I was going to need a gun, period, I'd be staying home with that Orville Redenbacker's, however, I flunked out of the training classes for Dionne Warwick's Psychic Friends Network. ;)

I just reckon that anyplace worth carrying one is worth carrying two or three; it's not like it's any harder. Part of it is for the same reason I carry a knife in each front pocket; no matter what I'm doing or which hand is free, there's a knife close at hand. There's nothing more annoying than holding a heavy box (warding off a perp) with your right hand and not having a knife (gun) accessible to your left. Also, it'd be just my luck for the first one to break when I needed it the most; rather than yell "time out", I figure I'll just drop it and pull out the other one.

[Kahr carrier]

Naa Guardian 380 or 32 acp Seecamp.:)

[Gewehr98]

Hence the need for a gun, even two. But if a trip to a location, after evaluating the necessity of travel there, requires 3 or 4 personal firearms, plus a couple of knives, I'd also want a radio link to the C-130 that's gonna drop the BLU-82 Daisycutter or MOAB in there before I show up. Or is that also part of the Tamara personal defense ensemble that we weren't supposed to know about? :D

[sw442642]

Last ditch gun is a NAA 22 LR - really small. I think the question was for a last ditch gun.
If it was just a BUG - then I use a J frame for a Glock as primary.

[Onslaught]

Heck, Probably 25% of the time, I carry just the P32.
That's why I sold my P32's... First it was BUG, then it was "just the P32" about 25% of the time, then 50%... eventually, I was just carrying the P32 even though I was perfectly capable of carrying something larger and more effective.

I don't understand why that the farther you get from your primary gun (backup, and then backup to the backup) that for some reasion you must drop size and caliber, eventually moving down to some of the least lethal options. You sort of got to figure that if you haven't handled the problem with your full-sized gun, dropping size and caliber to the backup is not going to afford you that same potential success rate as your full-sized and larger caliber carry.
And THAT would be the mentality that lead me to my S&W 642 as "backup" and sometimes "just it" gun. .38 +p is nothing to sneeze at, were my Kahr K40 to become disabled for some reason... Plus, since I personally don't LIKE revolvers (certainly nothing wrong with them, they're just "not my bag baby") I'm less likely to settle on just a J-frame in the pocket, and more likely to add that K40 or P99 to the belt.

But still, as a BUBUG, (which I never carried) I don't see why a P32 wouldn't fit the bill then. I mean eventually you're gonna run out of places to stash all those 1911's :D

[Trisha]

Beyond, or as an alternative to the everyday fare? Well, when a girl has to go light, then it's the derringer and the 686, with a little something extra:

[Frohickey]

I'd also want a radio link to the C-130 that's gonna drop the BLU-82 Daisycutter or MOAB in there before I show up

I want to know when the GMOAB is gonna be out. The Gigantic Massive Ordinance Air Burst... or Grand Mother of All Bombs :D :D :D

[PerfectGlock]

You could just go Chow Yun Fat, with all of your guns, from your primary, to your BUBUBUBUBUBUBUG being Beretta 92s with carbon fiber grips. Did anyone see that last action sequence in Replacement Killers? He must have shed 200 lbs worth of Berettas in the end.

What you need for a primary is Stellar Rig's Shotgun shoulder holster:

http://stellarrigs.com/Stellar_Shotgun_Rig.html

Or their bullpup rifle holster:

http://stellarrigs.com/Bull_Pup_cnclmntrig.html

[Hardtarget]

Some years ago I read a good point of view. I don't know who wrote this...If your primary weapon isn't enough gun, your back up needs to be BIGGER! Now that is totally different from a hideout gun...small frame, lighter caliber, shorter barrel.easy to hide. Well, I have enough trouble carrying one gun and extra mags, and a Surefire, knife, car/truck/house/shop/ect. keys and
I don't know where I'd put another gun...much less TWO additional guns. I'd need to hire a gun bearer like I was on safari.
Mark

[Ryder]

Never really thought much about it before but my backup order of ops does escalate in power... 45acp -> 44mag -> hi velocity rifle.

I don't always carry backup, when I do it's handy in the vehicle, not on my person.

[Kahr carrier]

Last Ditch .CCW - Pistol gripped 870 in the trunk of the car.:D

[Meowhead]

Phoenix Arms HP-22. What? Stop laughing! Argh. :(

Actually it's not bad at all. VERY good for a gun that cost me $125 and came with two magazines and two barrels..I bought it as a toy and didn't expect much at all - but it's been quite reliable and fun to shoot. Single-action instead of striker-fired, ten round capacity, digests everything except unjacketed Winchester .22LR..nice.