[Felonious Monk]

Think for a moment along the lines of Apple computers vs. PC's...
Macs work like you THINK they should...intuitively.
PC's are a learned process, an "acquired taste", if you will.

My last few range trips have left me wondering...

Some of my handguns fall to hand very naturally, and seem to require very little effort to hit what I aim at, kind of as an extension of my intent...
kind of like the Macintosh user interface.

Others, I have to consciously consider my grip, my trigger technique, adjust and tweak my sight picture, and STILL have trouble hitting a barn door.
These make range time more like WORK.
Like Windows-based PC's.

I'm really looking for a gun which is comparable to a Mac...a gun with the combination of elements that lead to it being an "intuitive" shooter, one that works WITH you.

What is it that makes a gun a 'natural shooter'? Is it the sights? The trigger? the way it fits in the hand? All of the above?

What handgun have you found that you are able to shoot exceptionally accurately and easily?

Monk

[Gunsnrovers]

You'd also to have to add that the Macintosh of pistols would be one that has limited aftermarket accessories and support. :)

[Felonious Monk]

LOL!

Well, if we were doing a true comparison, yes...but really, I'm more interested in using the Mac/PC thing as a loose analogy to find a great-shooting pistol. ;)

[R.H. Lee]

I hate to say this cause I loathe Macintosh-
CZ75B.

[The_Antibubba]

Revolver. Works every time. :)

[jpthegeek]

Apple is pretty. Regardless of what you think of 'em, they are nice to look at. So it would seem that the weapon would have to have the same characteristic.

I would go with some type of small, hammerless .38 in a satin finish.

Or, a Colt Gold CUp 1911.

Either way, they are both pretty and very intuitive.

[larryw]

HK P7.

Cult following.

Works very well.

Overpriced when compared to similar offerings.

Limited availability of supporting items.

[Unisaw]

HKUSP45c, Variant 1: A little pricey, works every time, not complicated to learn the operating system, no need to buy a lot of aftermarket accessories, utilizes some tough plastic (similar to the case on an iBook), points naturally (YMMV).

[jefnvk]

Macs work like you THINK they should...intuitively.
PC's are a learned process, an "acquired taste", if you will.


Now that is an opinion that I cannot share.

But I will go with jpthegeek.

[spacemanspiff]

wow, i was gonna say the mac is like a hipoint.


cause you'd be ashamed to own either.


:neener:

[Old Fud]

My Springfield Armory 1911 TRP!
It's not just me.
I was teaching my family how to shoot -- using .22's, both revolvers and semi-autos.
At the end of the session, I introduced them to "a big boomer".
Both Daughters and my grandson picked that thing up and started shooting 1/3 size groups with it. They LOVED it.

It fits all hands very nicely (nit-pick here: checkering is way too sharp)
There is only one place for your hands to go -- you can't get your thumb bit.
The Sights WANT to line up and then hold steady.
Trigger is --- simply put --- PERFECT!!!!
Recoil is a soft push.

Note: they did not like my 9mms, nor my Colt 1911 -- just this piece.

Fud

[shermacman]

The Macintosh gun is the pure gun, powerful, accurate, target acquisition is fluid and effortless. It would be crafted in perfect, flawless beauty. Beneath the elegance of its timeless form, it would be rock solid, life and death dependable. Totally immune to the viruses that plague other guns: no failure to feed, no failure to extract, rust proof; the barrel, muzzle and breech never get dirty or worn. The Macintosh gun is simply perfect. The PeeCee guns (rhymes with "feece") would be left in a useless rusting pile of infected junk, as they should.

[MrTuffPaws]

Another vote for the HK P7M8. That thing is like a powermac compared to the windows based locking breech guns.

[iiibdsiil]

I know the last time I got on a Mac, I couldn't figure a frigin thing out. Maybe because I am so used to WinBlows? Maybe it is one of those "I'm used to it being difficult, so anything that is simple I can't comprehend" deals?

[jamz]

Heck, I was thinking "What kind of gun would you use to go along with your double latte, goatee, beret and Toyota Prius?"

Heck, I'm not sure I can even answer that one. :uhoh:

:neener:

-James

[Indy7373]

I second the cz75b.

(Granted, I have never owned a 1911, its on my wish list, but not for a while)

The CZ just fits my hand and points where I want it to.

[Mulliga]

CZ-75 series, except that it's actually cheaper than other guns, whereas Macs are more expensive than PCs for what you get. Other than that, the CZ line pretty much fits most hands, points well for most people, and has little aftermarket support - though that is changing.

[Boats]

I go with which gun companies are most like what computer concerns. :evil:

Microsoft=Glock. Ubiquitous across many market segments primarily due to good marketing. Works well enough but next to no one says Windows or Glocks have any charm. Professes to be innovative, but scratch the surface of that and you find a pastiche of ideas from everywhere else. Ultraresistent to criticism of its products. Rich and reclusive founder who thinks he knows what is best. Crams products down the market's throat whether wanted or not (Win Media Player=.45GAP)

Apple=Beretta. Definitely a lifestyle choice. Both have been around since the start of their respective industries. Both companies market apparel. Both have at least one icon to their credit (Mac and the 92) Both get into movies and on TV out of all proportion to their market presence. Both do things extremely differently than their competitors. (Beretta using oscillating block or rotating barrel concepts, Apple using a proprietary OS and then a Unix derivative). Both make decently priced models and high art concept stuff that only the silly rich would pay for (Limited Edition Macs, Beretta Anniversary Models and Engraved Shotguns.) Both have had hit or miss evolutionary leaps. Both are controlled by "family" (Jobs is the Pietro Beretta of Apple.)

Linux=1911 Market. Open source. Hit or miss execution of a technology based on something that has seemingly been around forever (Linux owes much to Unix). Can be the best choice in certain applications and among the worst in others. An entire industry of mostly small concerns has sprung up to tweak and customize each. Fanatical devotion from committed users and largely ignorant indifference from everyone else. Linus is a genius, JMB was a genius.

I am sure there are other parallels that could be made.

[asiparks]

Put me down for a P7M8 too, elegant design, one button "Squeezy" OS seems odd to people not used to it, then quickly becomes second nature. Doesn't have many upgrades or add ons because it doesn't need them, just works and does what it's supposed to....good for people that expect a "bang" whenever they choose to squeeze the trigger and really can't be arsed fiddling with it to make it work...

The 1911 is like the PC- lots of manufacturers making the core unit some really cheap, some very pricey, yet more making "drop in" part upgrades that need a weekend of filing to jam in, extractors that need tweaking to extract, expensive aftermarket magazines 'cos the installed one only feeds on thursdays and an army of online nerds, sorry, hobbyists building their own from variously sourced bits and bobs and leftovers in their garages...

FYI I own 2 macs and a fairly recent PC and I know which one I'd get rid of first. And which two I'd hang onto for dear life.... I also own 6 1911s which I love fiddling with and no P7. Yet.

[Standing Wolf]

It's been a long, long time since the Macintosh user interface was user-friendly and intuitive. It's now nearly as visually repugnant as Windows, unreliable, and obnoxiously intrusive. It's every bit as ugly, in fact, as the so-called "safety" message stamped into every Ruger.

[bnolsen]

How about we take your MAC to the range and see which pistol causes it "blow up" the best?

[Frohickey]

For pistols, it would be the Sig Sauer line of pistols. No convoluted safety like the Beretta 92F, just a decocker.
For shotguns, it would be the Rem870, though, there is really no aiming needed for the 870, just point.
For rifles, I would say it would be the FN FAL.

I like the analogy, btw. I work on Macs.

[Joshua Hutchison]

for limited aftermarket support and services, how about the tanflogio/EAA wittness? :D it also fits well in ones hands and work decent, atleast to me :neener:

[hso]

I use both, Macs and PCs, and CZs and 1911s. While tempted to go with the P7 analogy I'd equate the Mac to the CZ 75 with it's intuitive "interface", consistant quality, excellent performance, few toy elements, and limited secondary add-ons.

[RyanM]

Mac = Colt SAA. Fairly natural and comfortable for a huge number of people. Not much you can do to make one crash/jam, but if it does (and I know at least 3 people that have crashed Macs), you have a huge problem. Almost no accessories, and comparatively small selection of software/ammo.

PC = most automatics. Individual tastes require individual systems, but there's a huge variety. They mess up a bit more frequently, but cursing at them and whacking them usually fixes the problem. :rolleyes: Most of them can take any kind of wacky add-on you can think of.

[5Wire]

I'll go with the P7 analogy and the Mac, both are productive and accurate out of the box. Mac OS is its own firewall and its own antivirus, if you're a hacker, Macs are more a popular tool and basically unhackable in return. Like the manual of arms for the P7, different and very effective once understood.

Bottom line, of course, is whatever you willing to learn how to use well is the right choice. Taste is unexplainable.

http://web.info.com/infocom.us/search/web/macvspc?

[lee n. field]

Like the Macintosh?

Hmm. Proprietary out the wazoo. Expensive. Easy to use ("point and click!"). Been around for about 20 years. Inspires intense devotion in it's fans and sneers from the ignorant.

That would have to be Glock.

[mmike87]

Plus, you'll pay twice as much for the Macintosh gun. And, every 5 or six years, they will stop making ammo for it and you'll have to buy a new one.

[sfhogman]

Mac: my Ruger Bisley.

[dcloudy777@aol.com]

I dunno, but it would have to be chambered in 10.15X63mm Serbian Mauser or something equally obscure. Aren't Macs on the Curio & Relic list by now? :p

DanO

[mfree]

Dude, you're getting a Hi-point!

:evil:

[HankB]

Hmmm . . . I'm no cheerleader for Bill Gates' buggy products, but I prefer them to Macintrash . . . sort of like prefering the GOP to democRATS.

My opinions are colored by once having worked in an office where Apple was king, and Appletalk was used for alleged connectivity. This unpleasant experience made me realize that the name "Macintosh" is shorthand for "Machine Always Crashes, If Not, The Operating System Hangs."

People who love Macs are the type who still stubbornly cling to their Betamax VCRs. ;)

If I used my imagination, I could sort of see Macs as Lugers - specifically .30 caliber Lugers. They have a small but cultlike following, they're not easily upgraded, software is largely proprietary and not available everywhere, and they're priced well above what their performance justifies.

[pete f]

lets see. PC's. dont work out of the box require lots of patches and fixes and completely unsecure. requires you to buy software to do the every day jobs you bought the thing to do. Designed to force you to buy new ones ever two years. Crashes and burns regularly.

Macs. open the box, plug it in, turn it on and it has 90 % + of the software you are going to need in everday life in a product that is secure, reliable and stylish. Why do you think most schools have Macs? because when you hit the on button, it starts and then it works.

I have two fifteen year old macs that work every day. who has a fifteen year old PC that works.?

Macs=good S&W revolver.
PC=japanese nambu

[auschip]

I have two fifteen year old macs that work every day. who has a fifteen year old PC that works.?

Does 11 years count? Then again, every PC I bought worked out of the box (5 currently). I found it strangely ironic that Apple would have gone out of business if it wasn't for MS. To get back on target, I see the P7M8 as a MAC. It's fans are doggedly loyal, but 90% of the population just can't figure out why.

I see the AR as a PC. You hear anecdotal horror stories about both of them, but very rarely is the issue not user caused. They both are modular, and can be upgraded easily. Want to add a new harddrive, plug it in. Want to change cailber plug in a new upper.

[Mikul]

auschip nailed it.

The P7 is about as simple as they come. They have ONE control beside the trigger and that control is impossible to ignore. With a CZ-75, you have to figure out the safety and slide release. Neither exist on a P7. And yes, they are expensive and cult-like.

[BluesBear]

Which gun is a Macintosh?
The Korth

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21749

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21750

[esskay]

HK P7.

Cult following.

Works very well.

Overpriced when compared to similar offerings.

Limited availability of supporting items.

LOL, as I was reading the initial post and even before scrolling down, I was thinking the exact same thing. Seems like several people have the same thoughts.

[kikilee]

Browning Hi-Power. Clean lines simple function.

[Farnham]

Windows = AR-15 or 1911, complicated, confusing, and indecipherable, but many add-ons and snap-in parts, and great for games. :scrutiny:

Macintosh = Mini-14 or Glock, simple, but don't change anything. :confused:

UNIX = 155mm Howitzer or 60mm mortar, adjust slightly and fire for effect. Who cares if we can't read .doc files? Set it and forget it, as the man says... :neener:

[Clean97GTI]

The S&W Sigma is the Mac of the gun world. Very few controls or modifications. Not much in the way of accesories and it certainly has its lovers and its haters. Fits the hand and works pretty well...most of the time. No way the 1911 could be a Mac. Macs tend to work right out of the box. ;)

I'd say the PC of the gun world would be a CZ75 or Sig. You have different carry methods you can use as well as a good selection of calibers. There are accessories and they do everything pretty well. Sure, there are some oddball things out there that do a specific task better, but for all-around goodness. The CZ or Sig is the greatest.

Linux = Makarov. It aint the prettiest, or the easiest to work with, but they both always do their jobs.

[LiquidTension]

Mac = Glock

They both only have one control.
Neither of them allow me to do simple things. Why can't I right click? That's just dumb. Why can't I manually operate the hammer? Oh, it doesn't have one.
Glock grip = uncomfortable, Mac mouse = uncomfortable

And the most pertinent comparison - Both are butt ugly :barf:

[ExMachina]

Yet another vote for the P7M8:

1) innovative design
2) ridiculously high price point
3) absurdly reliable
4) tiny market share
5) expensive to find parts
6) people who own them think they know something that everyone else doesn’t ;)

Here's mine... :D

http://home.earthlink.net/~d_rinker/m8_3a_a.jpg

[71Commander]

Mac's= S&W revolvers

I have 2 that's hooked up to a wireless system. One of them is a G3 that's 9 years old. Never had to do anything to it to keep it working. I did upgrade to OSX, but didn't have to do that in order for it to work. Just easier for sharing between the two.

[Black Snowman]

My vote would be the P7M8, but chambered in a wildcat that almost no one loads for. Say something like a 357 Sig necked down to 7.62.

[Longbow]

Ruger P series pistols?

[71Commander]

Ruger P series pistols?

Nope. No way. Not a Ruger. Steven Jobs thinks everyone should have large capacity peripheral devices. Not just Feds. :neener:

[Greg Bell]

PC=1911. They are everywhere, available in any configuration, and are buggy unless you wan to spend big bucks keeping it running. Popular with the unwashed.

Mac=P7. Much less common, available in limited configurations, almost perfect the way they are, more expensive but better designed, proprietary enough to scare away the riff-raff.

[faustulus]

So let me get this straight, you want a gun that is overpriced, only shoots ammo made by the gun manufacturer, looks nice and has a small but rabid group of followers?

[HungSquirrel]

I have two fifteen year old macs that work every day. who has a fifteen year old PC that works.?
I do. A 486 running Linux as a firewall. I wouldn't dream of tainting that reliable box with MS software.

A lot of you are mix n' matching your hardware and software comparisons. Mac OSX is good software priced competitively. Windows is crappy software priced the same as Apple's superior product. PC hardware is competitively priced because of their greater market. Mac hardware is overpriced because it is proprietary and not widely used.

The simple solution is to mix the best parts of both worlds by mixing good hardware and good software. Buy PC parts and build your own PC cheap. Then, put Linux or BSD on it for free. :neener:

[Frohickey]

So let me get this straight, you want a gun that is overpriced, only shoots ammo made by the gun manufacturer, looks nice and has a small but rabid group of followers?

You forgot, ...is waay cool with the in-crowd, and everyone lusts for one even if they say they do not. ;)

Seriously though. The only thing the Wintel PC has got going for it is the quantity of software available for it (a lot of poor quality software too), and the price of the hardware (which can be poor quality to high quality).

[faustulus]

The only thing the Wintel PC has got going for it is the quantity of software available for it (a lot of poor quality software too), and the price of the hardware (which can be poor quality to high quality).
Agreed. But as much as I like 10mm I shoot 9mm because I can find ammo anywhere. The hardware is only as good as the software. (see: Betamax vs. VHS)

[LoadedDrum]

Am I the only one here who saw the subject line and thought not of computers but of the high end audio company whose products are classic, timeless, collectable, high quality, but not in any way cutting edge.

Under that Macintosh definition, I would say the Browning HP fits the bill.

[WvaBill]

Sig SA/DA.

Hammer and trigger is intuitive like a DA revolver.

Decocker drops the hammer without deactivating the weapon.

The Sig points like a finger.

No unnecessary mag disconnects or LCIs to encourage complacency.

[Feanaro]

Sig SA/DA.

Hammer and trigger is intuitive like a DA revolver.

Decocker drops the hammer without deactivating the weapon.

The Sig points like a finger.

No unnecessary mag disconnects or LCIs to encourage complacency.

Not quite. It's missing some key Mac "features". It doesn't lack cheap, readily available accessories. And it doesn't have the small but annoyingly loud fan-base, great(if deceptive, overblown and annoying) marketting scheme, and exceedingly high price for what you get. :D

The Colt 1911 has the annoyingly loud and snobby fans, but they aren't(unfortunately ;)) small. Got the price too. Overblown reliability. But it fails at some of the other requirements.

[WvaBill]

The price is high, but worth it.

Who wants accesories, cheap or otherwise?

Great marketing to DHS and other Feds.

:rolleyes:

[Gewehr98]

Easy for a beginner to use. Cultish following.

A Glock. :D