States that wave NICS check's for CCW holders?


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Guy L Johnson
February 15, 2005, 03:04 PM
What states wave NICS checks for CCW holders?
Can you site song and verse in state law that allows this?

In Pa this was once done but was changed, I have the ear of a State rep. and would like to push the idea any help would be appriciated.
Guy

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Robb
February 15, 2005, 03:07 PM
Texas Waives NICS check for CCL Holders, but I'm too lazy to go look the specific law up for ya :)

patentmike
February 15, 2005, 03:11 PM
start here
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/bradylaw/permit_chart.htm

Darkmind
February 15, 2005, 03:16 PM
Michigan also waves the NICS check for anybody that has a Michigan CPL.

Old Dog
February 15, 2005, 03:20 PM
Washington state does NOT, but then, I have never waited more than about five minutes to be okayed by NICS for a firearm purchase from the time the dealer dials ...

I suspect that in some states you may have trouble getting this concept pushed if the law enforcement agencies and states AG's office believe that there could be a time lag between an offense/conviction that would result in CHL/CPL revocation, where the reporting to the databases NICS taps would be much faster -- in other words, is it possible there could be a window between offense/conviction/event (that would get a CHL/CPL revoked) and the time the issuing agency revokes the license where the holder could still purchase a firearm, whereas, that offense/conviction would have already been reported and would otherwise reflect on an NICS check?

LiquidTension
February 15, 2005, 03:21 PM
SC waives it, but the FN plant called NICS anyway just to be "extra sure" or something.

Does everyone in Alaska now have to go through the NICS check since they're Vermont style now?

carebear
February 15, 2005, 04:08 PM
Not if you have a permit. They are still issued and still good for some things. Like no NICS and out-of-state reciprocity. :D

Walk-in, walk-out, no muss, no fuss, no worries.

Obiwan
February 15, 2005, 04:11 PM
Michigan waives it

But you still ahve to take it to the police for a "safety inspection"

Sounds better than gun registration doesn't it???

carebear
February 15, 2005, 04:15 PM
Obiwan,

So if it has a catastrophic failure and you are injured, can you include the state of Michigan and the city or county of the LE office in your suit for damages?

After all, they confirmed it was safe as purchased. :rolleyes:

They want the privilege of "inspecting" they should bear the responsibility for failing at their job.

IronLance
February 15, 2005, 05:00 PM
SD used to before NICS went online. However, I noticed the other day that Packing.org specifically states that SD's CCP does not preclude a NICS check.

Wayde

Obiwan
February 15, 2005, 05:02 PM
I don't think so CB ;)

psyopspec
February 15, 2005, 05:07 PM
Adobe isn't working for me, but here's the link for the summarized laws regarding ND CCW. You should be able to find it "song and verse" here.

North Dakota CCW Manual (http://www.ag.state.nd.us/BCI/CW/2000manual.pdf)

beemerb
February 15, 2005, 05:12 PM
AZ waves it

Bobarino
February 15, 2005, 05:16 PM
ditto OldDog. WA waives the five day waiting period but you still NICS'ed.

Bobby

Bob R
February 15, 2005, 05:25 PM
Montana waives the check. In fact, I have a NICS number printed on my license. Kind of a NICS pin. :)

bob

Dave R
February 15, 2005, 05:52 PM
Idaho waives it. I won't quote the law, just my personal experience. When I buy a gun, they write my CCW license number in the NICS check confirmation box, and away I go.

RCL
February 15, 2005, 06:00 PM
New York State waives it.

GLOCKME
February 15, 2005, 06:00 PM
I have purchased several guns,and handguns with my CPL,and A NICS was conducted each and every time.. :(

If you have a "Purchase Permit" for handguns,the check is not done..

I have bought from different dealers and they all made the call..

Walter
February 15, 2005, 06:09 PM
Old Dog said,


"I suspect that in some states you may have trouble getting this concept pushed if the law enforcement agencies and states AG's office believe that there could be a time lag between an offense/conviction that would result in CHL/CPL revocation, where the reporting to the databases NICS taps would be much faster -- in other words, is it possible there could be a window between offense/conviction/event (that would get a CHL/CPL revoked) and the time the issuing agency revokes the license where the holder could still purchase a firearm, whereas, that offense/conviction would have already been reported and would otherwise reflect on an NICS check?"


The safeguard against that in Texas is that the minute you are charged with
a crime your CCL is automatically suspended. The system is set up so that
when your name and DL# are entered, it will flag if you have a CCL.

I would imagine every DA in the state has a system set up to relieve a CCL holder of his or her "license, proper", as soon as charges are filed.

Walter

hso
February 15, 2005, 06:10 PM
23 out of 53 States and Territories

hso
February 15, 2005, 06:33 PM
Attached table of states qualifying permit holders instead of running NCIS checks.

Guy L Johnson
February 15, 2005, 09:21 PM
You all have given me enough infromation to get this prodject underway
Thanks again
Guy

RRTX
February 15, 2005, 09:34 PM
The safeguard against that in Texas is that the minute you are charged with
a crime your CCL is automatically suspended. The system is set up so that
when your name and DL# are entered, it will flag if you have a CCL.

I would imagine every DA in the state has a system set up to relieve a CCL holder of his or her "license, proper", as soon as charges are filed.

Walter

How is this a safeguard? When you buy a gun using your CHL they don't enter any information anywhere, you fill out the 4473, pay for your purchase, then leave the store with it.

Malamute
February 15, 2005, 09:35 PM
Wyoming waves it for ccw holders. some guys get the ccw mainly to bypass the nics check.

EOD Guy
February 16, 2005, 10:52 AM
The NICS Check is required by Federal law, not state law. It is the Feds who can waive the check, not the States.

Here is a link to the BATF web site on qualifying state documents (not just CCW permits).

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/bradylaw/permit_chart.htm

hso
February 16, 2005, 11:06 AM
EOD Guy,

Yes, but...

Some states, like TN, have taken over the background check, as allowed by BATFE, and use their own system incorporating NCIS and state records. Because of this we pay a $10 fee for the insta-check system whenever we purchase cartridge firearms. We're trying to get the state law changed to drop the background check and it's fee for current carry permit holders (we don't have purchase permits here).

EOD Guy
February 16, 2005, 11:33 AM
hso,

I understand your point. California has the same type of state checks. My point was that the Feds set the standard for which documents can be used to bypass NICS. Basicly, an FBI records check within 5 years is what BATF and the FBI look for in a state document, be it a purchase or carry permit.

Stickjockey
February 16, 2005, 11:41 AM
Oregon used to... :(

Montana waives the check. In fact, I have a NICS number printed on my license. Kind of a NICS pin.

How's the job situation in Montana? That state just keeps looking better and better.

JamisJockey
February 16, 2005, 11:46 AM
Utah doesn't waive (not wave) the NCIS check. What it does do is check a CFP holder something like daily. So if you have a CFP in Utah and go to buy a firearm, you don't pay a background check fee because its already been done that day. The dealer still has to call it in, but they just call in your CFP permit #, and the check comes back almost instantly.

2400
February 16, 2005, 01:14 PM
23 out of 53 States and Territories

When did the US add 3 new states? :what:

carebear
February 16, 2005, 02:16 PM
23 out of 53 States and Territories


When did the US add 3 new states?

Territories, you know, our Imperial acquisitions. Like Iraq and Mazatlan.

Kamicosmos
February 16, 2005, 04:03 PM
Missouri CCW doesn't waive the NICS. AND you still have to get a Permit to Aquire a Handgun permit when buying a new handgun. Then, there's up to a 3 day wait for that.

Supposedly the MO House is working up a bill to address this, but seeing as how it's 'revenue generating' it will never go away.


(As far as the US territories go: Guam, Puerto Rico, and ... what's the other one? Other than Mexico...)

WvaBill
February 16, 2005, 07:17 PM
I thiught the ATF waived the NICS checks :evil:

kikilee
February 16, 2005, 10:23 PM
How is this a safeguard? When you buy a gun using your CHL they don't enter any information anywhere, you fill out the 4473, pay for your purchase, then leave the store with it.

In Arkansas they enter my CHL info right on the yellow form.

RRTX
February 16, 2005, 10:43 PM
In Arkansas they enter my CHL info right on the yellow form.

They do that here too, but that is as far as it goes. The 4473 just gets filed in the dealers files afterwards, nothing is called in to see if it is actually valid.

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