Anybody live in Fremont, CA?


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Kenshin
February 2, 2005, 06:35 PM
What pistols are issued to the police in that city? I want to become a policeman there someday.

If no one does, how about Oakland?

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50 Shooter
February 2, 2005, 07:05 PM
Ask over at Calguns www.calguns.net

crazyXgerman
February 2, 2005, 08:52 PM
i live in fremont. pm or email me for more info.

ScorpioVI
February 2, 2005, 09:07 PM
Good, maybe you can do something about the level of profesionalism in that PD. All the ones I've encountered are [Art's Gramma Rule applied].

UberPhLuBB
February 3, 2005, 01:21 AM
^ ^ ^
That's what everyone says when their visit with the police doesn't end with "Okay, thanks! Bye!"

Stop breaking laws. ;)

deej
February 3, 2005, 02:14 AM
Stop breaking laws.



If you can go a day in California without breaking a law (intentionally or not), you must be a very boring person.

UberPhLuBB
February 3, 2005, 02:17 AM
The laws in California are the same as any other state, except gun laws.

There isn's a "No Chewing Bubble-Gum and Skipping After 10:00PM" law.

Valkman
February 3, 2005, 03:37 AM
The laws in California are the same as any other state, except gun laws.

Really? Never partied in Vegas, have you? :D

crazyXgerman
February 3, 2005, 04:14 AM
Good, maybe you can do something about the level of profesionalism in that PD. All the ones I've encountered are [Art's Gramma's Rule applied]!
interesting. i'm somewhat surprised to hear that. i recently had several very positive encounters. could you elaborate on that, please?

50 Freak
February 3, 2005, 06:42 AM
I have to agree that LE's in the Kali are [Art's gramma rule applied]. But note, it seems that ONLY big city LE's (LA and SF) are this way. Local small town LE's seem to be a lot nicer and gun friendlier. I am basing this on my own personal experience from my 30+ years of living here and not just hearsay.

Every time I dealt with LE’s in the past has ended with them ordering me around and treating me as the bad guy. I have never been in trouble from the law (other than a couple of speeding tickets in my youth) and have a record so clean it's a little embarrassing. I understand them having to control the situation. But once you run a guy’s DL and he comes up clean, shouldn’t they be a little nicer, at least speak to you with some mutual respect? Why do they make it seem like you are still a criminal and that your lucky that they are letting you go free without doing the Rodney King on your ass.

Either way, the LE’s here get no love from me. I’ve had bunch of telemarketers calling for donations for the police functions/equipment etc. Before I used to break out the check book, but now I find myself telling the poor smuck calling me that I will not support the LE’s in any way until they really implement some attitude changes and get rid of this “us versus them” mentality.

I’m sure it’s not all like this in the other parts of the US. Is it? If you guys really believe that all LE’s are infallible and paragons of virtue, be my guest and come over to the Kali. You will change your mind real quick (especially if you are poor or a minority).

ScorpioVI
February 3, 2005, 03:50 PM
That's what everyone says when their visit with the police doesn't end with "Okay, thanks! Bye!"


A.) You don't know me. [Art's Gramma Rule applied]. I'm not a scofflaw, hell, I want to BE a LEO.

B.) I ride a sportbike. That's even worse than "driving while black". Twice I've been pulled over in Fremont for... riding. One excuse for pulling me over was "your bike sounded loud", gee, cruising at 4000RPMs on a bike that redlines at 15,000 = loud? Bull????. The other was for "speeding". Funny thing is I just pulled out of a mini-mall parking lot 100 feet earlier. More bull????.

Twice both [Art's Gramma Rule applied] treated me like some dumb kid. Hey, I'm a 26-year-old military veteran, with no arrest record and one speeding ticket in the last 8 years. Both [Art's Gramma Rule applied]were extremely condescending while I was the paragon of polite.

Both times they "let me go" with no tickets. It's because they have NOTHING to ticket me for. All my papers are in order, all signal markers functioning and in the right place, license plate displayed properly, etc. I got pulled over for... riding a flashy sportbike.

jlwatts3
February 3, 2005, 04:05 PM
Kenshin, are you basing your decision to work in a particular PD based on the pistol they issue?

50 Freak
February 3, 2005, 04:06 PM
Both times they "let me go" with no tickets. It's because they have NOTHING to ticket me for. All my papers are in order, all signal markers functioning and in the right place, license plate displayed properly, etc. I got pulled over for... riding a flashy sportbike.

You must be lucky, My friend (who is a Sheriff's dept right now, kinda ironic) used to be pulled over almost on a monthly basis. He never got a speeding ticket, DUI, or was in any gangs. He didn't drive a supped up hotrod but rather a beat up Mitsubishi crap he worked two summers for. Anyways, he spent a good part of his youth sitting on a curbside while the LE's would search his car for "drugs, weapons, etc". Only time he got a ticket from them was for having a dirty license plate. Pretty [Art's gramma rule applied] if you ask me. I think he got pulled over so many times is because he was driving while brown.

Personally I got pulled over once in Alhambra for smiling and waving hello to police officer. Jeez, I'd had only lived there 20 something years and was trying to show my support for the local PD.

ScorpioVI
February 3, 2005, 04:51 PM
I think he got pulled over so many times is because he was driving while brown.



I'm brown too (Filipino). I doubt if that's the reason Freakmont PD pulled me over because it's hard to tell what color you are when you're wearing a full-face helmet, and both incidents occurred at night. It could be the reason why I got treated like crap after I pulled my helmet off, since there are a lot of Filipino/Mexican/Asian gangs running around in the area, but who knows.

bill2
February 3, 2005, 09:14 PM
and have not had any bad experiences with them. I also ride a motorcycle, as well as a car, and have not been pulled over. My only personal contacts with them have been two incidents, not involving me, in my townhouse complex. both times they were professional and courteous.

I have heard of gang problems, but haven't seen anything myself. Just how bad is the gang problem here in Fremont?

Kenshin
February 3, 2005, 09:29 PM
No, I am not. I just wanna know that if I ever have trouble with an armed person, I wanna know what I have to defend myself with.

thorn726
February 3, 2005, 09:31 PM
yeah, go to Oakland. what the heck, Fremont? that would be pretty boring, and then the speed freaks you would have to deal with, but really , in Fremont your main job would be ball buster, or traffic cop.
go to Oakland, BE HONEST NOT CORRUPT , and help us all out.

as far as
Oakland PD= how about the Riders for one? totally out of control cops planting evidence, handing out beatings, extortion.
then there's the WHOLE dept LOSING lawsuit= shooting wooden blocks, tear gas, and beating totally peaceful protestors=
MANY SHOT IN THE BACK.

honestly my personal experience with Oakland PD has been pretty good, i think their two problems are they dont care eough about "small" crimes, and in the rough neighborhoods, they tend to act no better than the avg gangbanger.

it would do the world a lot better if police in bad neighborhoods tried to make peace with the people rather than terrorize them

ScorpioVI
February 4, 2005, 04:17 PM
shooting wooden blocks, tear gas, and beating totally peaceful protestors=
MANY SHOT IN THE BACK.




I was all for that one. Useless freaking hippies keeping everyday Joes from getting to their jobs and blocking the streets. I wouldn't have complained if they used real bullets to mow down the worthless peaceniks. And those "peaceful" protestors were throwing bottles at the cops, which is what provoked them to "suppress" the crowd. Totally deserved.

jlwatts3
February 4, 2005, 04:57 PM
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to question your judgement and I think it may actually be a good idea to find an agency that uses a gun you are already comfortable with. That said, I wonder how many potential LE's factor this into their decision. My guess: not many.

atek3
February 19, 2005, 02:56 AM
I'm sorry Scorpio, maybe you are a good guy in person but seriously...


I was all for that one. Useless freaking hippies keeping everyday Joes from getting to their jobs and blocking the streets. I wouldn't have complained if they used real bullets to mow down the worthless peaceniks. And those "peaceful" protestors were throwing bottles at the cops, which is what provoked them to "suppress" the crowd. Totally deserved.


please don't ever, ever be a LEO...

I wouldn't have complained if they used real bullets to mow down the worthless peaceniks.


I'm speechless... I'd say mean things but I don't want to get moderators ticked.
I really hope you're joking. Hoping that the government murders civilians in cold blood... please don't ever serve in a public capacity again.


And those "peaceful" protestors were throwing bottles at the cops, which is what provoked them to "suppress" the crowd. Totally deserved.


were you there? maybe it's you who should do the STFU in this thread. On advice of my friend who is involved in the OPD lawsuit, I can't say anything publically, but needless to say, your facts are all wrong, and if there is justice in the system my friend and the others who were seriously injured will get their due.

atek3

fjolnirsson
February 19, 2005, 03:09 AM
The laws in California are the same as any other state, except gun laws.

You must be joking.
Or you really have no idea, and are assuming CA laws to be rational.

Having a Leatherman on your person while picking your child up from Kindergarten is a felony offense in CA. You can't convince me that's reasonable.

It's worse than you can imagine, really.

I've always been a supporter of the police, but the ones in CA tend to be jerks. As someone who went through an academy there, I can honestly say it's how they are trained.
The difference in attitude between CA and OR police is nothing less than shocking. I'm so glad I immigrated to the USA. :)

UberPhLuBB
February 19, 2005, 05:31 AM
It's not a felony in other states to bring a knife onto school property?

I didn't mean literally, I meant the laws are virtually the same. Even so, what state can you bring a knife into a classroom and not expect any legal repercussion?

Can you speed legally in other states? Is murder any different? What about fraud?

How is California different?

fjolnirsson
February 19, 2005, 05:41 AM
What state? Oregon, for one...

166.360-370 Possession of certain weapons in Public Buildings, including Schools

PUBLIC BUILDINGS, INCLUDING SCHOOL BUILDINGS

166.360 (5) "Weapon" means: (b) Any dirk, dagger, ice pick, slingshot, metal knuckles or any similar instrument or a knife other than an ordinary pocket knife, the use of which could inflict injury upon a person or property...

In CA, any blade with a length 0f 2.5" or longer is prohibited on school grounds( which includes the parking lot). So, if I were to drive up in the lot to pick up my daughter,while wearing my Leatherman(which I always wear), I would be in violation. All to easy for someone to find out.The DA's there are vicious, too. They like easy cases like that, where they can make their name on innocent average joe's expense.

what state can you bring a knife into a classroom and not expect any legal repercussion?

When I was a kid (not so long ago)in CA, we kids in shop were required to carry a pocketknife. It was part of our required materials, like a pencil or paper for writing. I know people who used to take their rifles with them to school, for hunting on the way home.

atek3
February 19, 2005, 11:57 AM
possession of tracer rounds is a felony in california, a guy was sent up for 5 years for possession of five rounds of tracer ammo.

atek3

UberPhLuBB
February 19, 2005, 04:14 PM
That's a gun law, which I agree is rediculous. I'm talking about most other laws.

sharpie613
February 19, 2005, 05:55 PM
Well, I spent 20 of my 26 years (1982-2002) in Fremont, and even among other cops, they have a bad reputation. The best way to avoid trouble in Fremont is to not be seen as a source of potential revenue, be young, or be operating a vehicle with less than 4 wheels. That's all I'm going to say about that, except I knew a gentleman, fond of motorcycles, who carried a copy of the California Vehicle Code with stickies applied to all the things the cops would pull him over to harass him about.

I want to say SIGS with a large smattering of personal choice. I have seen 6 inch Smiths, Berettas. If you were thinking San Jose, I could tell you chapter and verse. Sig 226, with either a .40 option or a 220 if 9mm isn't your thing. I worked there for a while and made friends and asked questions. Union City, where I live now, is all Berettas. PM if you have more questions, I'd be happy to help in whatever way I can.

artherd
February 19, 2005, 07:16 PM
There isn's a "No Chewing Bubble-Gum and Skipping After 10:00PM" law.

There's now a law against whiping bugs off your windshield with your wipers on a bright sunny day, and not having your headlights on...

Monkeyleg
February 19, 2005, 07:36 PM
I'm surprised nobody has edited/locked this thread for language.

4v50 Gary
February 19, 2005, 08:19 PM
Email sent. Remember Art's Gramma Rule people.

deej
February 19, 2005, 10:09 PM
Next time you're in a California restaurant, ask for your hamburger medium rare. Oops, against the law.

fjolnirsson
February 19, 2005, 10:54 PM
Next time you're in a California restaurant, ask for your hamburger medium rare. Oops, against the law.

Ya know, I'd forgotten about that one....
Again, so glad I left CA...

thorn726
February 21, 2005, 04:33 AM
Useless freaking hippies keeping everyday Joes from getting to their jobs and blocking the streets

uh, yeah funny how my buddy the LONGSHOREMAN was in favor of these protestors, as were many of them.
me personally, i have been all for kicking saddam's butt, but stuff like this-
"``Our guys were standing in one area waiting to go to work, and then the police started firing on the longshoremen,'' said Henry Graham, the president of ILWU Local 10. ``Some were hit in the chest with rubber bullets, and seven of our guys went to the hospital. I don't want to imply that the police deliberately did this, but it doesn't make sense.''
AND THIS=
"The demonstrations at the port were planned with the quiet support of the ILWU, the International Longshore and Warehouse Union.

Many rank-and-file members of ILWU Local 10 oppose the war with Iraq, and the local has its own Anti-War Action Committee."

show that these protesters , whether we like what they stand for or not, did not desreve to be shot.

People who talk about killing protesters for not thinking like them make me glad this is America and you aren't asking me for my papers.
if you want ot kill everyone you disagree with, perhaps you should find a nice dictatorship to join

donkee
February 21, 2005, 07:47 AM
Nope, Laguna Niguel about 15 years ago. I used to drive through Fremont on the way to Fontana though.....

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