5.7x28mm why the fuss ?


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kidcoltoutlaw
February 20, 2005, 08:42 PM
Why all the fuss anybody going to run out and buy one. Unless your shooting things with a vest on I don't see the need. Still there is no reason to try and ban it. A broadhead will go through a vest so should we ban them as well.

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whm1974
February 20, 2005, 08:54 PM
The anti's are trying to ban another gun. Since not too many people have a Five Seven, the common person is not likely to fight the ban. Now try to ban all handguns or put round limits in magazines they will fight touth and nail...

-Bill

MrTuffPaws
February 20, 2005, 09:13 PM
Its the standard cop killer argument.

"They could be used to kill cops! We shoud ban them!!!"

No one stops and thinks that the chances of a CZ52 ending up in the hands of a criminal are much much higher than the $800+ FN 57. They will both go through soft armor like butter.

Clean97GTI
February 20, 2005, 09:15 PM
It is the newest, latest, greatest thing on the block. High capacity, good terminal balistics, light recoil.

Why would you not want one?

whm1974
February 20, 2005, 09:36 PM
It is the newest, latest, greatest thing on the block. High capacity, good terminal balistics, light recoil.

Price of both the gun and the ammo.

-Bill

kidcoltoutlaw
February 20, 2005, 10:42 PM
I like power like 454 or 357 sig loaded hot.

Kamicosmos
February 20, 2005, 10:55 PM
I have thought about getting a .50 BMG as a form of protest on all this crap. (IN addition to writing congress.) But, I can't really afford a .50 rifle, and have no place to really shoot it anyway.

At the very least I am going to pick up some 5.7x28 ammo, both for protest as well as collector value down the road. I would like to pick up one of the pistols for the same reasons, but I don't have a spare $800 laying around, and I think the guns are incredibly ugly.

I would have absolutely no desire for this gun or caliber except for the fact that THEY don't want me to be able to have one.

I'm like a little kid. Tell me I can't have or do something, and I will suddenly be extremely interested in why you don't want me messing with something!!

XD40Assassin
February 20, 2005, 11:21 PM
So then do you smoke pot Kami? lol jk. 57's are indeed pretty ugly but I would love to have one. If a ban doesnt come by in the next year or so then I'll have one for sure.

outofbattery
February 20, 2005, 11:58 PM
I think other makers are missing the boat in not coming out with more offerings in the caliber . I'd actually like to have a bolt rifle chambered in it or a target pistol but if someone wanted to come up with something "tactical" and cool that's more affordable than the P90:, I'd probably have to have one . KelTec SU16C in 5.7 ? Yes please :)

norman74
February 21, 2005, 12:18 AM
As others have said, it's a combination of people being afraid they won't be able to ever get one again, the fact that it's the just now becoming available to regular folks.

If what you look for in a firearm is a tool to fit a task, as I do, then the FN is likely not for you.

Clean97GTI
February 21, 2005, 02:01 AM
I like power like 454 or 357 sig loaded hot.

I don't think you can load .357 Sig much hotter than it already is. You could go into a +p rating, but that is already a pretty hi-pressure round if I recall.

Besides, the 5.56 isn't the most powerful, but it sure makes some nasty wounds. The 5.7 doesn't need insane amounts of powder to gets its job done. Good bullet design goes so much further than dumping more powder behind a bullet.


Oh yeah, You gotta pay to play. The newest toys tend to be the most expensive. Just wait a year or two more when these start becoming more popular. I'll predict a decent price drop. Besides, the $800 for the gun is already cheaper than some 1911 models that you have to "tune up" to make run right.

loose cannon
February 21, 2005, 05:08 AM
i handled 1 at a gunshow saturday i liked the feel of it and the idea of 20rds of 30gr 2300fps hollowpoints is interesting.price was 900 for 3 20rd mags 100rds ammo and the weapon.

guy at the table said its the most powerful hgun;i hate being lied to. :cuss:

i was astonished speachless.then after a recovery period i wanted to tell him what i thought of his assesment of my inteligence level. by then i was gone.

Coltdriver
February 21, 2005, 10:38 AM
I read this past weekend that FN will no longer sell the ammo to the civilian market, LE only.

So even if you get one, the ammo is going to be hard to come by. Even if you reload you do eventually wear out the brass.

Boats
February 21, 2005, 11:33 AM
I'd rather have six out of this thing than 21 out of the popgun.

http://www.ruger.com/Corporate/images/News-11-11-2004B.jpg

.45 Colt from Buffalo Bore=260 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point @ 1450 fps / M.E. 1214 ft. lbs.
.454 Casull from Buffalo Bore=300 gr. Jacketed Flat Nose @ 1650 fps / M.E. 1813 ft. lbs.

Backside deformation in a vest might put the bad guy in the morgue. :evil:

XD40Assassin
February 21, 2005, 04:29 PM
That is too much power for that little revolver! Damn :what:

kidcoltoutlaw
February 21, 2005, 04:37 PM
On the that 454 they test it with whimp loads. 760 or so fpe my 44 mag beats that. Now the load you show now that is a load . Stop that you got my wheels turning now .

kidcoltoutlaw
February 21, 2005, 04:38 PM
Selling for now ?

DougCxx
February 21, 2005, 04:54 PM
I read this past weekend that FN will no longer sell the ammo to the civilian market, LE only. So even if you get one, the ammo is going to be hard to come by. Even if you reload you do eventually wear out the brass....
-Well, this sounds pretty outlandish to me--why would they go to the expense of making civilian-sale-legal guns, just to stop selling ammo? They might as well save some time and flush money down the toilet.
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As far as "what the total impact of the five-seven caliber will be", I'd bet not a lot, at least for a long, long time.
Remember the hissy fits some anti-gunners and police depts were throwing when Voere started selling their caseless rifle?
Certainly you remember now: the rifle that cost ~$2000, and the ammo cost ~$15 a shot?....

SteveS
February 21, 2005, 05:49 PM
Boats, I'll have to say that my FA .454 is fun to shoot, but I'll pass on that Ruger. Ouch

Boats
February 21, 2005, 07:47 PM
I want it for some tail-stomping .45LC loads. I have heard that .45LC out of this gun is rather the cat's meow.

SIGarmed
February 21, 2005, 08:19 PM
The anti-gun bigots are defining the issue again that's what is happening with the FN Five Seven. It's as simple as that. It's worked for them before so they'll do it as much as they can. There is nothing special about the Five Seven. Have you ever thought if they're so worried about the Five Seven ammunition why aren't they mentioning .17HMR or .22Mag?

The anti-gun bigots are clearly disingenuous.

Ryu
June 11, 2005, 01:59 AM
Has there been any update on what is to be the fate of the 5.7 round. I am thinking of picking up a USG in my local shop today and don't wanna invest in something that's gonna have no ammo. I don't care about getting the super hot stuff. Just some nice hollow points for hunting and maybe some cheaper stuff for fun.

boofus
June 11, 2005, 11:20 AM
I might pick up another 5.7 to replace the one I traded away. If FN releases their semi-auto P90 on schedule it would be a nice duo. I'm definitely going to be getting a p90 and submitting papers to have it short barreled. And a F2000 too. My wallet will never recover, it will just shrivel up.

mattw
June 11, 2005, 11:31 AM
i definetly would like a bolt action rifle in 5.7

benEzra
June 11, 2005, 11:55 AM
I think the ammunition that isn't being sold was just hot FMJ. All the armor-piercing claims really pertain to the law-enforcement-only loads, anyway (which are hard, sharp, and pointy); with civilian ammo, it will NOT penetrate a level II or IIIA vest, per the BATFE and the Fraternal Order of Police. A variety of JHP loads and possibly target rounds are available, IIRC.

The Brady Bunch put out a video purporting to show it defeating a vest, but if you watch the video the narrator says it's a level IIA, which is not even rated to stop .357 magnum.

The FiveSeven is a neat gun, but it's basically just a centerfire .22 WMR optimized for a handgun-length barrel, not some magical wonder bullet.

Clean97GTI
June 12, 2005, 05:01 PM
The 5.7x28 produces more velocity from a shorter barrel and the bullet itself is nearly an inch long (.85")

It is definitely superior in every respect to the .22WMR other than the .22WMR has more guns chambered for it.

mordrid52
June 13, 2005, 11:40 AM
The 5.7x28 produces more velocity from a shorter barrel and the bullet itself is nearly an inch long (.85")

It is definitely superior in every respect to the .22WMR other than the .22WMR has more guns chambered for it.
Dr. Martin Fackler disagrees with you on that one, along with quite a few other notables in the firearms ballistics community.

LeonCarr
June 13, 2005, 11:44 AM
A buddy of mine bought one, and his motto is "If they're gonna ban it, I'm gonna buy it". :)

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

DmL5
June 13, 2005, 12:44 PM
The FN Five-seveN Forum (http://fivesevenforum.com/forums/index.php?referrerid=22)

97GTI is right, there is a major difference in ballistics between the 5.7mm and the .22WMR. Out of a 4-inch barrel, a 40-grain .22 Magnum gets 1450 fps. Out of the Five-seveN's 4.75-inch barrel, the 40-grain 5.7x28mm SS197 gets 2000 fps. This is a jump of 550 fps.

-DmL

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