Unknown Black Powder Rifle/Shotgun


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Henry455
February 24, 2005, 09:08 PM
Need help again with a BP rifle/shotgun with no markings I can find. The bore appears to be approx. .65 inch. Here are a few pictures:
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4v50 Gary
February 24, 2005, 09:12 PM
Looks like a Springfield 1861 or 63 that was sporterized and cut down. That was quite common.

Jim K
February 26, 2005, 03:00 PM
I think it may have been a Model 1863, but the trigger guard appears to be from a Model 1873 carbine (the long gun trigger guards had a sling swivel). I can't tell from the pictures whether that is a patch box on the stock or just some kind of plate or label. If it is a patchbox, that means the stock is also from some other gun, since none of the rifle muskets had patch boxes.

While it could have been cut down by a gun owner or gunsmith, the mixed parts lead me to conclude that it was made up as a shotgun out of various surplus parts by one of a number of shops. The rifling, if present, was reamed out. These were advertised in dealer's and distributor's catalogs as late as the 1890's, selling (depending on the period) from $2.00 to $4.00. One St. Louis firm, Meacham's, advertised them in 1884 at $3.33 or $3.20 in lots of 20.

Unfortunately, those guns are common (hundreds of thousands were sold) and are of little collector interest or value even in very good condition.

Jim

4v50 Gary
February 27, 2005, 10:24 AM
BTW, the rear sight is non-military. There's no .65 Cal and is it possible that the lands were bored out from .58 to make it .65 smoothbore? Post-war poor man shotgun perhaps?

Henry455
February 27, 2005, 12:30 PM
Thanks for your input. I finally found some faint markings on the sideplate. "US Springfield" in front of the hammer and "1864" to the rear of the hammer. It appears to be a smooth bore. There is a brass plate on the rear right side of the stock with a person's initials stamped in the plate. As has been said, it appears the original sight was replace because there is a unused screw hole about a 1/4" in front of the rear sight. Thanks again for your help.

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