Any benelli b76 owners out there?


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albanian
February 26, 2005, 02:10 PM
I just bought a like new benelli b76 with two mags at a gunshow. I paid $400 OTD. From what I have seen, this is a good price for one.

Does anyone know how to take it down for cleaning? How do you like yours? What kind of accuracy are you getting? I have heard these are very very accurate because of the fixed bbl design.

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BlkHawk73
February 26, 2005, 02:34 PM
Don't own one but keep my eyes open for one. One of THE best feeling pistols I've ever held. Just holds really nice. From others I've seen being sold, $400 seems kinda steep if no box/papers or extras came with it. Depends on condition I guess. I see very little mention of them. Benelli won't likely offer much help but it's worth a try contacting them on a manual. otherwise, do a search and find other owners of them and politely ask for a copy/scan of thier manual. Better than nothing.

albanian
February 26, 2005, 02:56 PM
Well it wasn't really $400 cash and it came with two mags. I gave $400 for the gun, three Thermold 20rd mags and a new plastic SKS 30rd mag. I guess I got about $95 worth of mags at current prices. I guess I really paid $305 if you factor in the value of the mags.

Matt-man
February 26, 2005, 06:36 PM
I have one, along with two mags and the original manual. When I get a few spare moments I'll scan up the manual.

I haven't stripped it in years, but I think I remember how.


Pull the slide to the rear and lock it with the THUMB SAFETY
Look at the silver block at the back of the slide. It has two ears on it that extend to the sides of the slide. These need to be rotated backwards.
Depress the firing pin and the block will slide out the bottom of the slide.
The slide will now come forward off the gun


Reassembly is basically the reverse of the above. Getting the slide back on with the breech block in the correct place takes some wiggling, but eventually you should be able to get it.

pippin53
February 26, 2005, 07:18 PM
I got one and another on order. I think they are some of the more interesting pistols out there. At $305, I think you did well. You can buy new mags on Auction Arms through Joes Pawn Shop for $27.00. When I talked to them several months ago they still had 1-200 left. After these are gone, theres probably no more to be found, as these pistols haven't been made since
~1981. I have some feeding issues with mine, which I think are due to weak recoil springs, but fortunately you can buy these from Wolff. If you decide you don't want it, I'll be happy to take it off your hands :)
Enjoy it!
Ken

albanian
February 26, 2005, 07:30 PM
"I haven't stripped it in years, but I think I remember how.

Pull the slide to the rear and lock it with the THUMB SAFETY
Look at the silver block at the back of the slide. It has two ears on it that extend to the sides of the slide. These need to be rotated backwards.
Depress the firing pin and the block will slide out the bottom of the slide.
The slide will now come forward off the gun"

That worked just fine. You don't need to scan your copy. I don't have a printer anyway. It is actually pretty easy to strip once you have a clue where to start. I have never seen a gun that takes down like this. It also took me a little by surprise when I looked inside and saw how differnet it was from anything else I have seen. It is not your typical semi-auto by any means! I was prepared for the fixed bbl because I knew it had one but the recoil assembly and breech lock (if that is what you would call the piece) were totaly different.

The thing about this gun is, you don't see them for sale very often. It is hard to price a gun that you have never seen in person before. The FFL that sold it to me said he had only seen two of them. I don't doubt it as I go to every gunshow and gunstore within 100 miles looking for neat finds and I have never seen one in over 10 years. I am sure that somewhere there are more of them but not in my area.

Now I am thinking about getting a traget version. A B76S may be in my future if this thing shoots as well as I have heard.

Matt-man
February 27, 2005, 02:47 AM
Glad I could help. I'm going to go ahead and scan my manual and put it up on my web site anyway, as it occurs to me that other B76 owners (all five or six of them :p) could probably use the info.

I know what you mean about the rarity of these pistols - I've never seen another one, and this is the first time I've ever heard from someone else who owns one. I guess I should grab a couple of extra magazines and recoil springs while I have the chance.

albanian
February 27, 2005, 10:32 AM
I am thinking of making or having an extra extractor made while mine is still in one piece. If it breaks, I wouldn't have any sort of template to work with.

I had heard that CDNN had mags for this gun for cheap but I guess Joe's Pawn Shop bought them all up and is now selling them. At least they can be found in new condition.

As for the springs, I wouldn't worry too much about that, they will always be a spring around that you can use in the Benelli.

old_ironsights
February 27, 2005, 12:19 PM
Got hooked on Benelli handguns with an old B-82 in 9X18 Ultra. Ammo costs of that unusual round kept me from enjoying it as much as I would have liked.

I was able to sell the B-82 to a collector and purchase a B-76 in 9x19. A picture of mine is attached.

It's a failed Italian military weapon, but IMNSHO it's far superior in aesthetics, handling, accuracy, fit and finish to other Italian weapons.

albanian
February 27, 2005, 01:23 PM
Nice gun! Mine look just like that but my grips are not as dark. I have not yet shot my gun but the more I hold it the more I am growing to love it. I have always been a fan of the severe grip angle guns like the Luger and the Ruger MKI and MKII. They seem to point much more naturally than a 1911 or just about anything thing else I can think of.

I am starting to think of it as a DA/SA SIG P210. It is all steel, single stack 9mm. Once I get a chance to shoot it, I will be able to tell if this fixed bbl is going to be accurate as I think it is going to be. Every fixed bbl pistol I have owned has been more accurate than it had any right to be. I even had a Jennings J-22 that was very accurate because of the fixed bbl design. My Bersas would amaze someone that had never shot one before. I'll post a range report when I get a chance to test it out.

old_ironsights
February 27, 2005, 06:58 PM
Albanian, the fixed barrels, while harder to clean are much more accurate, and the additional length of the B-76 barrel helps. Also, the sighting system is much more user-friendly and, like you, I enjoy the grip angle. Steyr claims the "ideal 111 degrees grip angle" in their advertisements and the Benelli seems to be just a tad more. I don't have a method of exact measurement.

Any chance of getting yours from your estate...when the time comes, of course! I'm a patient kinda guy.:D

albanian
February 27, 2005, 07:44 PM
"Any chance of getting yours from your estate...when the time comes, of course! I'm a patient kinda guy."

I'll put you in my will. :D

I just noticed that my gun doesn't have any import marks. Does anybody else have one with no import marks? My SN# is 0047XX. I have heard that they only made about 10,000 of these so this puts mine right in the middle.

Matt-man
February 27, 2005, 09:19 PM
I was able to scan the entire manual last night. Right now I have everything in JPEG format, with an image for each page. The entire thing is close to 3MB. You can get it here: http://www.icantping.com/~mmasuda/misc/B76_manual.zip
If it would work better for folks, I could put it into Adobe PDF format.

While I was looking through the manual I found the original receipt. My dad bought it in March of '83 for $285. It's serial number 0014xx and it's marked Sile Inc, NY. How one of these pistols made it to a hole-in-the-wall gun shop in Central California is a mystery to me.

DT Guy
February 27, 2005, 11:13 PM
Sile was a big-time importer once upon a time.

The Benelli I've had for 20+ years is an exceptionally accurate pistol. It's also been very reliable, although they reportedly had difficulty with hollow-points, supposedly because of the grip angle and its resulting feed ramp configuration.

I've been on the lookout for the 7.62 version at a reasonable price for a while, if one can be found for a reasonable price.

My B-76 is one of the guns that I'll NEVER sell....


Larry

pippin53
February 27, 2005, 11:15 PM
Matt,
I'm printing the manual as I'm typing. Its coming out perfect. Thanks my friend. In looking around, I see lots of B80s for sale (well 2 or 3) in GunsAmerica but no B76s. Shoots too expensive a cartridge to justify getting one. I wouldn't mind picking up another 9mm if one comes along.
God bless,
Ken

pippin53
February 27, 2005, 11:21 PM
Larry,
There are 2 on GunsAmerica right now -- one of them is reasonable. I saw another last month that was $415 for NIB , papers and 5 mags. I should have gotten it. I can't seem to find it now. Best of luck in your search.
Ken

Matt-man
February 28, 2005, 12:54 AM
Larry, mine won't feed hollowpoints at all. I've never had a problem with ball ammo though - it's as reliable as anything else I have as long as I don't try to feed it HPs.

Ken, glad I could help.

Matt

Al Honnen
July 27, 2008, 11:05 PM
I am looking to purchase a magazine for a Benelli 76. Can anyone help me? Thanks. AH

Storm
July 28, 2008, 10:47 AM
I have a Benelli B76. It was NIB with two mags, manual, and cleaning rod. I've seen a few of these around. I think someone came across some new old stock. Takedown is tricky, but nothing too bad. I still haven't shot mine yet, but it is a rather amazing gun based on what I have seen and heard from others.

As to magazines, there is a seller on AuctionArms that has sold them in the past. If you PM me I can give you her contact info as she may have more. Mags are rather rare.

old_ironsights
July 28, 2008, 11:27 AM
Watch the on-line gun auction and use your search browser. From experience I can affirm that B-76 magazines are becoming much harder to find. (None of mine are for sale).


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/martynoland/photos-2.jpg

Storm
July 28, 2008, 11:38 AM
Oops, I forgot the obligatory photo! I'd also add that it is one the most solid and well built guns that I've ever held.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/1300/b76pe8.jpg

schmeky
July 28, 2008, 12:36 PM
I've had 3 B-76's through the years, still have 1. I found some mags in Arknasas a couple years and bought 5, I think I still have 3 or 4 new unused.

The mags are getting very scarce since only 10K B-76's were ever made worldwide.

waverace
July 28, 2008, 01:25 PM
good on ya for ressurecting an old thread , I'll double what everyone else said , parts are next to non existent , Ive been looking for a spare mag and a firing pin for ages , saw a mag at a gun show once guy wanted $60 for it ,:) told him to keep it .
my firing pin broke not long after that , couldnt find one so I had to make one , two , three , still havent quite got it right :D .
Does anyone else get the problem of the breech block chewing the frame up where it bumps up to disconnect ?
This is something I've had to fix reguarly , take the burr off with a small file and stone .
Other than that they are nice guns , fit the hand nicely and once you know where the fixed sights are shooting they are consistently accurate too , tin cans at 50 yds offhand , I cant do that with any other pistol ;)
Mine might be for sale soon if WA state doesnt allow me to shoot soon .

Nimble1
July 28, 2008, 03:37 PM
I have had one for about 10 years and its one of my favorite pistols to shoot. I don't know about anyone else but mine has no import marks on it at all. Not sure if this is common. I did write Benelli about it a while back and they said it might have been brought back by a service man or a government official.I do know that Sile did import them at one time.
I missed a chance to buy one at a gun show last year for $350 with two mags. I won't pass up another one.

Walkalong
July 28, 2008, 03:53 PM
I use to have one (http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=74579&d=1205456977). $300 out the door several years ago. A lot of quality for the money. Superbly made guns. I did not care for the grip angle and ended up selling it.

Matt-man
July 29, 2008, 01:20 AM
Just to let everyone know, if you're looking for a copy of the manual, the link I posted above for the scanned images still works.

Bladeandbarrel
July 30, 2008, 09:30 PM
Great pistol for FMJ. they are a no-go with hollowpoints, I often wondered if better magazines would correct that as the standard mags are pretty poor. Would be a great gun to supress with a fixed barrel...

Storm
August 1, 2008, 01:08 PM
Great pistol for FMJ. they are a no-go with hollowpoints, I often wondered if better magazines would correct that as the standard mags are pretty poor. Would be a great gun to supress with a fixed barrel...

My understanding is that the grip angle requires the rounds to be angled rather sharply in the mag (you can see this through the mag cutouts) which leads to the feeding difficulty with hollowpoints. I don't think this was a concern for Benelli as hollowpoints weren't an issue in Italy or for military contracts.

Phil DeGraves
August 1, 2008, 02:27 PM
Had one years ago. Very comfortable, but as mentioned, too steep a grip angle for reliable feeding with anything but FMJ. Also the plastic magazine followers were soft and eventually would stop catching the slide lock. They were never very expensive. They could have improved the magazine angle without changing the grip angle if they'd wanted to.

Radio
August 3, 2008, 10:03 PM
I have the chance to pick one up (B76) at a local shop, $300 out the door, only one mag, no box or book but almost new condition. The single mag and no spare parts is scaring me off but I thought $300 was not a bad price, still may grab it.

schmeky
August 3, 2008, 11:21 PM
Radio,

Where is it?

hardwarehacker
August 13, 2008, 02:41 PM
Glad that I have finally found a few people who know something about the B76.

I purchased one a couple of months ago on GunBroker. Cost too much, but it is solid stainless with adjustable target sights and as-new in box. Also found three spare mags (also stainless) up for auction.

Mostly wanted one because a long-deceased friend had one and kept telling me how great it was. Never got to shoot his...

My immediate interest is in finding a holster for this pistol. I have a few other oddballs in my collection, and there usually turns out to be gunleather for some more common model which fits them. Any suggestions for this one?

Thanks
HH

schmeky
August 13, 2008, 09:53 PM
hardwarehacker,

I am pretty sure you have a satin hard-chromed B-76. I have followed the B-76's since they first came out many many years ago (32 to be exact) and to my knowledge, there never was a stainless version. 10,000 were made.

You have a great rust resistant shooter there.:p

Xigris
August 13, 2008, 11:41 PM
I've owned a B-76 for nearly 20 years. I think I paid about $325 for it. It's one of my favorite 9mm plinking & informal target pistols.

I've always thought it was one of my better looking 9mm's. I like the grips and the grip angle feels good to me.

hardwarehacker
August 14, 2008, 02:20 PM
>>I am pretty sure you have a satin hard-chromed B-76.
>>
It was listed as stainless, but the seller was a dealer who may not really have known much about this model. It is one of the nicest matte finishes I have ever seen on any gun. A very fine texture, looks like it was bead blasted.

>>I have followed the B-76's since they first came out many
>>many years ago (32 to be exact) and to my knowledge,
>>there never was a stainless version.
>>
You are probably right.

Guess I need to tear it down and see if I can find any interior surfaces which might have escaped the finishing process. Usually plated finishes show some wear along the slide tracks, but I could not find any. Don't really know how much it has been shot (if at all), so that may explain the absence of wear. I need to dig a bit deeper for a definitive answer.

>>10,000 were made.
>>
Don't have it here to look at, but I think the number on this one is 059xx.

How common (or uncommon) is the adjustable rear sight?

Guess it is time to take a day off work and go shoot this critter.

By the way, I just found a holster which fits adequately. It's a Galco bought on eBay whjich was listed as being for a SIG 228, but it doesn't fit that gun very well. The trigger guard pocket is square instead of triangular, but the rest of it fits my B76 very well. Don't know what it was made for, but it has a Benelli in it now.

Thanks for the inputs.
HH

WA_SIG
August 14, 2008, 02:43 PM
I have had one for a long time. It is a very nice pistol and shoots as well as my SIG 226 as long as I use ball ammo. (It doesn't like anything else.)
I don't shoot it a lot any more because of it's rarity .(re; lack of replacement parts.) Workmanship is first rate and I find it a very attractive piece. It's too bad it wasn't a more popular gun.

Whenever I have it out, it draws attention and people can't believe Benelli made a pistol.

schmeky
August 14, 2008, 05:11 PM
hardwarehacker,

I don't know the numbers of B-76's with adjustable sights, but I know there were not very many. I had one years ago with adjustable sights. I foolishly sold it.

WA Sig,

Sounds familiar. I was in a large gun store a few months ago and I was talking with the gunsmith. I made a comment about having an unusual 9mm pistol. I told him it was a Benelli. He then said, "No, you have a Beretta, no such thing as a Benelli pistol".

I'm going back there soon, and quess what I'm taking with me:D

ldp4570
August 14, 2008, 06:18 PM
If its got the adjustable sights its actually a P-76. I bought mine 30yrs ago in Germany while stationed there. That gun now spends most of her time in the safe as the P-76's are rarer than the standard model. I only paid 150.00 through the Rod&Gun in Darmstadt.

hardwarehacker
August 14, 2008, 08:39 PM
Did not even hope for so much detailed information so fast. The scans of the manual and disassembly instructions were particularly helpful. Don't want to think about how long it would have taken me to find the takedown latches on my own -- it was difficult enough even knowing which widget to fiddle with.

Ok, mine is not stainless as the seller claimed, it has a really good matte chrome finish. Really had to look to be certain. It has definitely been fired, but not much. Perhaps the factory test rounds, perhaps a box after that, no more. The serial number is 056xx, not 059xx (memory fades as we age).

Both the box and the gun are labeled 'B76', however I would not be surprised if the correct designation really is P76 -- probably not enough of them made to justify nit-picky markings.

Now that I understand what I have, the decision of whether to shoot it a lot, a little, or not at all becomes difficult. The box is kinda ragged, there is no original manual with it, but it still rates as almost-new-in-box.

Do I keep this as a safe queen (I already have quite a few queens in my safe) or have fun shooting it? Is the experience of putting a box or two of ammo through a rare pistol worth turning it into a used rare pistol? Need to think this through a bit.

Thanks for all the good inputs. Now at least I have some solid facts to consider.

One last question, if anyone can answer: Given that this design did not make the cut as a standard sidearm for the Italian army, what did?

Thanks all
HH

schmeky
August 14, 2008, 10:59 PM
HH,

Since it has been hardchromed, any collecor value has been reduced. You have yourself a fine shooter there. I think it would be difficult to wear out a B-76. Probably the main item of concern would be a firing pin.

Just guessing, but someone like EGW might be able to make you one, but it might be a bit pricey. I would only dry fire it with some quality snap caps like A-zoom.

The THR members are an incredible source of information and knowledge.

hardwarehacker
August 15, 2008, 01:11 AM
Either this is the original finish or someone bought the pistol and immediately had it chromed, then put it in its box without ever shooting it. When I took it apart, there was zero wear, no internal rub marks or scratches. Nada.

Everything fits very tightly and the machined edges are very sharp. None of the signs of routine use, no evidence that a blue finish was removed or of the usual prep work before plating.

If it was chromed by a previous owner, I agree that it is a shooter. If it was a factory finish, then it may be even more uncommon.

Has anyone else here seen or heard of a factory-chromed B76?

= = = = =

Are there enough interested B76 owners to make it worthwhile for someone to machine a run of new firing pins? I would buy two or three if they were available.

HH

Nimble1
August 15, 2008, 09:25 AM
Since the trigger,hammer and bolt carrier were originally hard chromed, compare the finish to them. Its possible that the finish is original. Have you written Benelli? I did a while back and they sent a photocopy of a manual for free. I would be interested to know if they have any spares left, I would hate to break a firing pin.:(

Storm
August 15, 2008, 09:52 AM
Has anyone else here seen or heard of a factory-chromed B76?

I have seen a few "silver" B76 on Gunbroker. Here's one (I hope the link is still good): http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=99971413 The seller refers to it as a "stainless finish". It's really not clear what it is.

Nimble1
August 15, 2008, 10:40 AM
Thats nice!! I believe its a factory hard-chromed finish. The overall finish appears to match the finish on the basic hard-chromed parts. Pretty gun!

hardwarehacker
August 15, 2008, 11:09 AM
Storm and Nimble1: That is the one I purchased. Glad you like it, now I don't need to post any pictures.

There is no question in my mind that this is the original factory finish. If it looks new in the pictures, that is even more obvious close up. The plating looks identical everywhere, inside and out.

Yes, I guess it is time to see if Benelli has any spare firing pins or other parts.

Thanks to all -- I now know a lot more about what I bought. Still trying to figure out whether to treat it as a shooter or an investment.

HH

nbs2005
September 10, 2008, 03:35 PM
I've become fascinated with these guns. What kind of groups do these shoot at 25 and 50 yards? One would think they'd be pretty tight. Are there any smith's the have experience with these or are you on your own?

If anyone has one in CO they are not using, let me know.

J

old_ironsights
September 10, 2008, 04:02 PM
It appeared to me that the steel on the GB weapon had been refinished in electroless nickel to match the alloy parts. I've done that with rifles and had the stainless steel glass-beaded to match. Makes a nice package.

I've done it with a Tok, http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/martynoland/tokarev54-1003.jpg

but I don't think I'll do it with my B-76.


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b130/martynoland/ben9.jpg

Storm
September 10, 2008, 09:57 PM
Im like the looks of that Tokarev.

I'm almost certain that the hard chrome is a factory finish. I think I've seen it listed as an option in the gun appraisal books.

I see you have target sights on your B76. Is that original?

I think the B76 is one of the best looking guns going, and one of the most beautifully built.

md11drv
April 28, 2010, 06:36 PM
Recently at the range while firing my Benelli B76, an apparently very hot round caused the hammer to break off. Very unusual event. Obviously needs a new hammer and someone knowledgeable enough to replace it. Any ideas out there. I do not know any gunsmiths who can do this.
TIA

schmeky
April 28, 2010, 09:03 PM
md11drv,

I bought a parts only B-76 some years ago and the hammer had been broken and welded. If this hammer weren't welded I'd sell it to you, otherwise you'll have to fix yours via welding. A good welder with a TIG could do it. You could grind it and rechrome.

A replacement may be near impossible to locate.

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